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The FIA has reintroduced the maximum time limit rule for all laps during qualifying sessions leading up to the Japanese Grand Prix.
This decision comes in response to concerns about potentially dangerous slow-lap queuing among drivers in Singapore last weekend.
During the Italian Grand Prix, drivers were informed that they would need to adhere to a maximum delta time for all their laps to address this issue.
However, the rule was not enforced in Singapore, where bunching up on the track was a notable problem, particularly in the final sector of the Marina Bay Street Circuit during Q1.
Although several drivers, including Red Bull's Max Verstappen, were investigated for alleged impeding during the session, no penalties were issued.
This led to calls from drivers like McLaren's Lando Norris for F1 to adopt a stricter stance on impeding incidents.
FIA announce controversial rule being BROUGHT BACK for Japanese Grand Prix (msn.com)
This decision comes in response to concerns about potentially dangerous slow-lap queuing among drivers in Singapore last weekend.
During the Italian Grand Prix, drivers were informed that they would need to adhere to a maximum delta time for all their laps to address this issue.
However, the rule was not enforced in Singapore, where bunching up on the track was a notable problem, particularly in the final sector of the Marina Bay Street Circuit during Q1.
Although several drivers, including Red Bull's Max Verstappen, were investigated for alleged impeding during the session, no penalties were issued.
This led to calls from drivers like McLaren's Lando Norris for F1 to adopt a stricter stance on impeding incidents.
FIA announce controversial rule being BROUGHT BACK for Japanese Grand Prix (msn.com)
Singapore is the grippiest track on the calendar that ramps up faster than any other - Red Bull couldn't run their usual configuration featuring the lowest ride height on the grid & flexible suspension without the car bottoming out too much illegally. They had to run the car higher to compensate - which took it out of its ideal window and as a result it was completely unstable and unpredictable in every corner, and it also seemed to be more draggy on the straights which eliminated their usual top speed advantage.
This is also why at Spa Verstappen and Perez weren't flat out into Eau Rouge - the compression there given how steep that hill is would have caused the same issue, so they were coasting into it on every lap.
Take the blinders of. Plenty of other drivers have gone with penalties for things they probably should have. Max just is currently the highest profile driver on the grid so it's confirmation bias. Even Max himself said he would be fine with whatever penalty they wanted to impose. FIA has never been consistent and always given more leeway to the top teams and drivers. Like happens in every sport. And no I'm not saying that makes it right.
logan sergant is a crap driver. he could have avoided that crash. how does liam lawson not have a dtive for next season but segant does? F1 is bizarre.
what a lap by lawson 4th in Q1. Damn boy. Only 0.5 down on max.
Damn second straight week no lineup set before qualy. Lucky with the sainz pole didn't matter as much but not this weekend.
Does he? Wouldn't surprise me if they got rid of him.
Such a shame for lawson, 0.043 gap to alonso in 10th. If they hadnt of used 3 sets of softs in Q1 he'd have been into Q3.
i think so, i might be wrong. Hopefully i am.
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Perez 8 tenths off Max again. Clown.
Best one race season I can remember.
Perez doesnt deserve to be in a Redbull next season. When you have a car that can pull 5.5G of lateral load through Spoon, how can you be so far behind your teammate?
That RB with Max is ridicously fast, good chance he will lap the field up to the mclarens tomorrow. In a class of his own at this track.
That RB with Max is ridicously fast, good chance he will lap the field up to the mclarens tomorrow. In a class of his own at this track.
Perez is shockingly bad.
Monstrous lap by Max. Apparently, the biggest interval on this track since Schumacher's 2004 season. Quite telling.
Who do Red Bull replace Perez with?
Who do Red Bull replace Perez with?
Verstappen is just ridiculous. The fact that Perez is behind one Ferrari tells you everything. For all his fault, Perez is not an amateur, and he looks like one in comparision with Verstappen.
That was pretty boring it has to be said.
It's pretty amazing that they even gave Ricciardo seat ahead of Lawson. And yeah, Seargant is the new Latifi.
That was pretty boring it has to be said.
It's pretty amazing that they even gave Ricciardo seat ahead of Lawson. And yeah, Seargant is the new Latifi.
No matter who they replaced with, the car isn’t going to immediately work. RB has configured their cars according to Max strengths and expect the 2nd driver to work around it. Well, I’m speculating but after Daniel, it seems like it.
Well we do know the answer on how to slow the RB down
Id agree with this. They need a driver (for 2025 or 2026) who can either adapt his driving style or can drive the car like max. Basically they need a Mercedes Nico Rosberg who kept Hamilton honest to keep max honest.
Stroll not getting out of Q3 again very lucky daddy owns that team or he'd be gone.
Surprised Lawson is only reserve as Riccardo has hardly shone lately I'd have had it the other way round
Guess RB are keeping Perez then... he's lucky as while Bottas was never in Lewis' league he was usually much more consistently on the podium
very lucky daddy owns that team or he'd be gone. Surprised Lawson is only reserve as Riccardo has hardly shone lately I'd have had it the other way round
Guess RB are keeping Perez then... he's lucky as while Bottas was never in Lewis' league he was usually much more consistently on the podium
He was shit in F2 but still got the Williams drive. They care most about money and his family is loaded, and F1 loves an American driver on the grid. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he's there next season.
Who are the best drivers without an F1 seat yet?
Drugovich, Aron, Lawson* who else?
Drugovich, Aron, Lawson* who else?
Schumacher should have been in Sergeants seat this season and Sergeant should have been in F2. The definite answer on Schumacher would have been had and Sergeant could have had more time to develop in F2. The dude could have finished 6th in F2 if his rivals had not crashed the last race, it was weird to see him promoted to F1.
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Perez is actually shockingly bad when taken into account what he drives.
It would be really nice once the constructors is won by RedBull, that they give Lawson a drive for a GP. Maybe drop Perez for last racev
of season and make the excuse that its a "thank you" for lawson for the great job he's done at AT.
of season and make the excuse that its a "thank you" for lawson for the great job he's done at AT.
Or Verstappen is shockingly good. I guess we will see if Norris gets Perez seat at some point.
Sure but Perez falls behind the McLarens and Ferraris too. He's just crap.
He is. However i cant remember when we last had F1 cars that are so sensitive to aerodynamic changes. As updates get introduced the car either understeers more or oversteers more. One of the two drivers then benefits and the other is hampered. We've seen it up and down the grid this season.
Take the last race, raising the floor of the RB by 1-2 cms resulted in a car that make getting the tyres into the optimal temp was really difficult. The car was sliding all over the place. Before the era of ground effect, we never saw such a dramatic dropoff from a championship winning car.
Under these rules you either need to be the no1 driver and have the car built around you. Or have parity with your teammate for car development. The latter helps if you have similar driving characteristics.
Blinders!
Yet another mistake that Red Bull benefit from.
Not only were Red Bull and Max gifted a dodgy WC. The rules were changed to a format that gives their design techniques a massive advantage and disadvantages at big proportion of the other teams.
If you think that's confirmation bias then you are either naive or suffering from your own form of it.
Thats the crux of the problem. He should be in qually 0.1-0.3 off Max. Thats always been the delta average between teammates of the elite drivers. Also depending on the circuit, occasionally outqualifying his superstar teammate and winning the odd GP here and there.
Perez is way off. In that RB he should pretty much average 2nd in qually all season. The fact that hes being beaten by ferrari, mclaren and mercedes drivers. Says it all.
I like Piastri more and more each week. What a talent. Genuinely do see him as a future champion if he continues on this trajectory. On the other end of the spectrum, we have Sargeant, who really has no business at all being in F1.
And then we have Max, who just demolishes everyone on the grid. What a lap.
And then we have Max, who just demolishes everyone on the grid. What a lap.
Both are true. Verstappen is one of the best, Perez is continually a disappointment. To be that far off Max in the same car is really embarrassing.
Givem a break, he only recently learned whats a kilometre.
Blinders!
Yet another mistake that Red Bull benefit from.
Not only were Red Bull and Max gifted a dodgy WC. The rules were changed to a format that gives their design techniques a massive advantage and disadvantages at big proportion of the other teams.
If you think that's confirmation bias then you are either naive or suffering from your own form of it.
Feck sake, imagine having this level of delusion.
You really think the sole purpose of the ground effect changes were because they expected RB to be good at it?Blinders!
Yet another mistake that Red Bull benefit from.
Not only were Red Bull and Max gifted a dodgy WC. The rules were changed to a format that gives their design techniques a massive advantage and disadvantages at big proportion of the other teams.
If you think that's confirmation bias then you are either naive or suffering from your own form of it.
And the mask comes off.Blinders!
Yet another mistake that Red Bull benefit from.
Not only were Red Bull and Max gifted a dodgy WC. The rules were changed to a format that gives their design techniques a massive advantage and disadvantages at big proportion of the other teams.
If you think that's confirmation bias then you are either naive or suffering from your own form of it.
Bonkers theory. It's a shame Newey is still going because I think without his experience red bull would be back with everyone else and we could have legitimately brilliant races. He's an absolute genius though sadly.