F1 2022 Season

Fluctuation0161 said:
Whether you think it was purposeful or not doesn't matter.

The decisions made by Masi were against protocol, against the normal rules and did effectively make Max champion. If anyone doesn't see that then they need to refit their glasses. :lol:
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That wasn’t the point, I never said it was the right decision.

slyadams said:
Very few people have said this. Many do, however, think it was manipulated to make it exciting, which is no less egregious.
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There’s a post above that literally says he (Masi) did it to get the champion he wanted, followed by someone else agreeing. That’s all I was responding to.
 
I don't think @hobbers is so far off here. Masi obviously made a shit decision, but the reason was to achieve his idea of excitement, not to help Verstappen specifically. I would also assume that Hamilton being utterly dominant for years will have hurt the sport's viewership more than this year's incidents, or this last one specifically. And I'd additionally think that F1 will lose more viewers if next year is another 100% Hamilton year without weird incidents, than if it's another competitive year with more highly questionable calls from Masi.

Of course, a season that's competitive and incident-free would be preferable. But that's now what e.g. @dinostar77 was looking for above.
 
Can someone explain this to me?

But Mercedes could have possibly made sure the Safety Car stayed on the track until the end of the race after it was called out with five laps left to go.

That would have meant the leading driver at the time, Hamilton, would have won the race and also the title.

Eccleston was asked by Swiss outlet Blick whether Mercedes could have "radioed to [Hamilton's team-mate Valtteri] Bottas to let the car coast because they want to preserve the engine."
 
arnie_ni said:
Can someone explain this to me?

But Mercedes could have possibly made sure the Safety Car stayed on the track until the end of the race after it was called out with five laps left to go.

That would have meant the leading driver at the time, Hamilton, would have won the race and also the title.

Eccleston was asked by Swiss outlet Blick whether Mercedes could have "radioed to [Hamilton's team-mate Valtteri] Bottas to let the car coast because they want to preserve the engine."
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Presumably to ask Bottas to cause an incident or become a hazard on track which could include stopping in a certain place therefore keeping the safety car out as the track wouldn't be clear to race. I'm not sure they would've got away with it as it would've been inspected after the race surely. Still by the time Merc knew what was happening it was too late.

In 2008 the Renault team asked one of their drivers to cause a crash which would work in Alonso's favour who went on to win the race. They got found out in the end a year or so later - it was a big controversy.
 
hobbers said:
Definitely, and real F1 fans also understand the inherent unfairness in a sport where you can build up a huge lead on your competitors and have it wiped out in an instant if a car crashes out, totally out of your control, and you end up only a few metres ahead of a field on fresher tyres.

Unfairness is built into F1. As is cheating. As is controversy. It's just this is only obvious when there's more than 1 driver and/or team capable of winning.
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This is a great quote and easily summarises Motorsport:

“If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying”
 
Needed some comedic relief after our tumescent display tonight. This somehow did it

F1 vs nascar

:lol: Imagine checking your nascar team inventory - fuel, tires, concrete cutter, 7 sledgehammers - yep, all in order.
 
Williams Racing could see its coffers boosted by a hefty $36m following a favourable court decision in a commercial arbitration case involving the British outfit and its former title sponsor ROKiT.

A California court has awarded Williams the $35.7m payment from ROKiT as a result of the sponsor reneging on its deal with Williams in 2020.

Williams brought the telecommunications company founded by Jonathan Kendrick onboard ahead of the start of the 2019 season.

Mid-way through that year's campaign, the two partners agreed on an extension of their deal to the end of 2023.

But in May 2020, just a month before the start of F1's Covid-impacted season, Williams suddenly terminated its sponsorship deal with ROKiT.

https://f1i.com/news/429897-william...RhaSFjSQACBeLeVDBODKjRJ1ogYTdUa_hXTgNNMQbh2bM
 
Stupid question alert.
Why don't McLaren make their own engines? Surely they have the money and engineering whizzes behind them?
 
GeorgieBoy said:
Stupid question alert.
Why don't McLaren make their own engines? Surely they have the money and engineering whizzes behind them?
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Money most likely, F1 engine development is a massive money sink, it’s not just engineering, it’s top level staffing, R&D, facilities, constant updates to be competitive. McLaren do operate as a business first and I think getting their road car division off the ground put a massive strain on finances for the long term. Red Bull won’t find it easy branching out on their own and that’s with pretty much a bottomless pit to work from.

I think the more McLaren build their road car business the more likely it is they will one day have their own engines (I believe they already do bespoke engines with partners). F1 is just a different beast though.
 
Reading through this thread makes me lose all interest in 2022 again. I thought a month would be enough, it wasn't. These new cars are the worst looking in a long time and no news on any changes to prevent the cluster feck of last season.

Feck this.
 
Abizzz said:
Reading through this thread makes me lose all interest in 2022 again. I thought a month would be enough, it wasn't. These new cars are the worst looking in a long time and no news on any changes to prevent the cluster feck of last season.

Feck this.
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Fair observations.
 
Might follow it this year due to the exciting ending. When does it all kick off?
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Mid March I believe. 20th maybe.

But if you want more genuine competition you might want to watch WWE Royal Rumble on 30th January also. ;)
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Used to love wrestling. Broke my heart when I found it wasn't real. Can't remember what age I was.
 
Interesting that you both miss the most important part of the post about sporting integrity re: the clusterfeck from last season could be repeated.

Or is that not the reason for F1 either?
 
mariachi-19 said:
And that pretty much sums up modern f1 fans…
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The looks are dictated by the formula. If you think these looks are the result of engineering and the best solutions think again. Technically I don't even see how these cars are superior to Prost's or Mansell's wc cars. They had more tricks. These look more like some junior series for indycars in my opinion.
 
mariachi-19 said:
And that pretty much sums up modern f1 fans…
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This you?

mariachi-19 said:
Thats the thing.

Even when Schumacher and CO wiped the floor with everyone, it was still entertaining. Tracks and the cars actually looked like they took skill to drive fast. Now it seems like the only action we get is when some one cocks up in the braking zone or weaves un-sportingly. The cars sound like shit, they look like shit, its the Mercedes show and there just isn't that same level of buzz. Great tracks with tremendous atmosphere where fans were far closer to the action, have given way to large stadiums where oil money has more power than the people that support the show.

Problem is, once this goes to sky, do you really think they will keep pumping the money when nobody is watching it? Its like a government selling off all its assets to raise capital. At somepoint you run out of assets (fans) and you're left with nothing to sell.
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Fluctuation0161 said:
Interesting that you both miss the most important part of the post about sporting integrity re: the clusterfeck from last season could be repeated.

Or is that not the reason for F1 either?
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If you read the thread, you would see that I 100% disagree with the clusterfeck that the FIA caused last season. #FireMasi
 
It's just going to be swept under the carpet isn't it :(
 
It'll be a bloody fecking disgrace if Hamilton doesn't race next year. After in ages, I'm looking forward to the next season of F1 and that too because of the two main protagonists as the principal draw instead of the rules and car changes. F1 would be a much poorer place without Hamilton and Verstappen Part II and even though there are good talented drivers competing, without Hamilton, it'll be a shell of a season.

It would be fecking great to see two driven individuals going at it next season, although if I were Hamilton I see why he would want to retire. The man has nothing to prove to anyone.
 
Hypothetical but if Hamilton weren't to race this year, who would everyone want to see in his seat?
 
I would love Max in Merc if Lewis decided to retire just for shiteshow Horner and Marko produced. That duo would lose their eggs if Max decided to feck off.
 
What if Rosberg came back for a season? I would imagine they try to get Norris or promote Ocon. Or more likely Toto would bring Bottas back. All that speculation aside Hamilton will be on the grid next year for sure.
 
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