Cost cap allegations looking like they'll turn into just another desperate Merc smear campaign, how predictable.
Wonder if Merc fans will finally start to learn.
What happened?
Cost cap allegations looking like they'll turn into just another desperate Merc smear campaign, how predictable.
Wonder if Merc fans will finally start to learn.
Street circuits are terrible. Singapore, in particular, is totally unsuited to F1.
Didn't the Australian GP used to be one of the most exciting races of the year, until they moved it to the streets of Melbourne?
Monaco is also a rubbish track, but the history of the race makes it special.
nothing... news are coming tomorrow.What happened?
Don't think there's been any news today but tomorrow should be a big day. So far what's happened is Wolff and Binotto putting as much pressure on the FIA as they possibly can in order to get Red Bull the maximum penalty if they are deemed to have broken the cost cap, and they (especially Wolff) are doing it in ways that would leave them with a lot of egg on their face if Red Bull are handed a certificate. Personally I think there should be an investigation into the "leaks" coming from the FIA. That's if there even are leaks and it's not just Toto being the shite stirrer he is which at this point is just as likely.What happened?
I'm certain at this point that RBR have broken the cost cap thanks to a loop hole but I doubt we will see a big penalty, FIA will probably reduce wind tunnel testing for RBR or at worst reduce their budget cap for the following year.nothing... news are coming tomorrow.
But what are these Marko comments I keep hearing about? He did some interview with ORF that is no longer available, but as far as I gather, he hinted at the issue of interpretation of rules. Whether they needed to include certain people that worked at a subsidiary company or something like that.
Without any new info and based on Craig Slater's "understanding" so no real source. Still nothing by the FIA.Sky F1 is now reporting
'Minor' breaches made but all teams to avoid severe punishments for 2021 limits
correct, we wait for the FIA announcement.Without any new info and based on Craig Slater's "understanding" so no real source. Still nothing by the FIA.
The last part is especially funny. If not for a leak at the FIA, how would they know anything about the financials of other teams? The alternative is Wolff and Binotto are making it all up. The allegations against FIA personnel are based on their statements too so if what Wolff and Binotto have said turns out to be false I imagine the FIA would like a word with them and if I were Red Bull or Aston Martin I'd definitely go after them for slander. They should have just kept their mouths shut untill after the process had finished.Release of cost cap certificates delayed until Monday October 10: https://www.fia.com/news/fia-statement-financial-regulations-0.
The FIA is an absolute joke of an organization.
I agree, this bit " The FIA also reiterates that any suggestion that FIA personnel have disclosed sensitive information is equally baseless. " is bollocks.The last part is especially funny. If not for a leak at the FIA, how would they know anything about the financials of other teams? The alternative is Wolff and Binotto are making it all up. The allegations against FIA personnel are based on their statements too so if what Wolff and Binotto have said turns out to be false I imagine the FIA would like a word with them and if I were Red Bull or Aston Martin I'd definitely go after them for slander. They should have just kept their mouths shut untill after the process had finished.
The Australian GP on the street circuit in Adelaide?
Completely agree with street circuits being shit; but you may be misremembering the Aussie bit
Its ferrari oil burning all over again. Hush stuff up and zero transparacy.Release of cost cap certificates delayed until Monday October 10: https://www.fia.com/news/fia-statement-financial-regulations-0.
The FIA is an absolute joke of an organization.
F1 is no longer meaningfully regulated. It is ran purely for entertainment with no integrity.The fact that they keep delaying this shows that they are trying to do damage reduction. 0% chance they actually hand out any meaningful penalties.
F1 is no longer meaningfully regulated. It is ran purely for entertainment with no integrity.
Agree actually. I'm thinking of walking away and I've been watching for more than 25 years.. It's more entertainment than sport these days.
Some french journalist echoing what Ted was saying last night. Red Bull breach is procedural, not even minor, and they'll get a fine.
AM $4m over and will get a fine, wind tunnel reduction and 100 points deducted, 50 from last year 50 from this year.
Not confirmed yet but enough different people seem to have heard the same thing.
Agree actually. I'm thinking of walking away and I've been watching for more than 25 years.. It's more entertainment than sport these days.
YesIs that the circuit where Mansell had that blow out on the start/finish straight with the chicane at the end of it?
It's turning into WWE ... They will have to start calling it race entertainment soon
Probably won't happen but I'd like to see Ferrari and merc retire cars on lap 1 for the rest of the season as a protest
If (when) no meaningful action is taken its clearly going to taint last year this year and at least next year
That said with the Ferrari fuel thing and giving max the title it's seems to be the racing is secondary to giving a good narrative to drive to survive
Are the manufactures fully committed to 2026 if not they should withdraw and set up their own championship
Bit of an overreaction in here with regards to the budget cap and the FIA in my opinion. If Wolff hadn't prematurely ejaculated there wouldn't have been such a fuss. Which is exactly what Wolff wants of course being the dirt cnut that he is. The FIA taking their time to finish the investigation properly isn't a bad thing. Many on here have already made their minds up on the outcome without anything to back that up except Masi fecking up last year. I get that last year has put a dent in the faith in the FIA but that doesn't mean it's one massive conspiracy. The FIA will share the outcome of their investigation on Monday and as long as they are transparent to the teams about how they got there there really isn't much of an issue except for the potential leak and the subsequent behaviour from Wolff (and to a lesser extent Ferrari) of course.
Tl;dr: I'm with @Zlaatan . Stop throwing your toys out the pram.
I agree with a lot of the above, but a well run organization does not announce on the day of a release that the information will be delayed by 5 days. Its Rule 1 of any management communications text book is: let people know about delays as soon as possible. Its pretty clear to me the delay is not because they have 5 days work left to do (they would have known about this last week), its because something is going on that's delaying it. Might be rumours, but by far the most likely is there's horse-trading going on over the penalties. Its this kind of basic incompetence that calls into question everything the FIA does.Bit of an overreaction in here with regards to the budget cap and the FIA in my opinion. If Wolff hadn't prematurely ejaculated there wouldn't have been such a fuss. Which is exactly what Wolff wants of course being the dirt cnut that he is. The FIA taking their time to finish the investigation properly isn't a bad thing. Many on here have already made their minds up on the outcome without anything to back that up except Masi fecking up last year. I get that last year has put a dent in the faith in the FIA but that doesn't mean it's one massive conspiracy. The FIA will share the outcome of their investigation on Monday and as long as they are transparent to the teams about how they got there there really isn't much of an issue except for the potential leak and the subsequent behaviour from Wolff (and to a lesser extent Ferrari) of course.
Tl;dr: I'm with @Zlaatan . Stop throwing your toys out the pram.
Yeah it was totally only that last race. Not the 100 other incidents that the FIA fecked the fans over throughout the last years. Be it 2 Laps at SPA, insisting sprint races are worth anything, coming up with the most ridiculous explanations and excuses for Masi (The rules apply until the race director says they don't), not knowing whether every means all or just some .Bit of an overreaction in here with regards to the budget cap and the FIA in my opinion. If Wolff hadn't prematurely ejaculated there wouldn't have been such a fuss. Which is exactly what Wolff wants of course being the dirt cnut that he is. The FIA taking their time to finish the investigation properly isn't a bad thing. Many on here have already made their minds up on the outcome without anything to back that up except Masi fecking up last year. I get that last year has put a dent in the faith in the FIA but that doesn't mean it's one massive conspiracy. The FIA will share the outcome of their investigation on Monday and as long as they are transparent to the teams about how they got there there really isn't much of an issue except for the potential leak and the subsequent behaviour from Wolff (and to a lesser extent Ferrari) of course.
Tl;dr: I'm with @Zlaatan . Stop throwing your toys out the pram.
Same. Been watching since early 90s. The lack of integrity shown by the sport over the last couplw of years is off putting. I like a fair fight, regardless.of who wins. That hasn't been the case recently. I've not watched most of the races this year.Agree actually. I'm thinking of walking away and I've been watching for more than 25 years.. It's more entertainment than sport these days.
They turned it into WWE when the ref (massi) hit Hamilton from behind with a chair and gave the belt to maxThere are two very contradicting rumors at this point and we have no idea what the truth is. Claiming that one of them is true and then trowing all the toys out the pram because you don't like that truth doesn't really seem like a good way to go.
Does the outcome of the 2 questions above differ? No.Do I think the FIA are institutionally corrupt? No. Do I think they're completely incompetent? Absolutely.
I'm not saying the outcome is different. I'm just saying whilt I do believe they will feck this up I don't buy into the conspiracy theories.Does the outcome of the 2 questions above differ? No.
Ultimately the outcome is the same regardless of the FIA motivation or incompetence.
You should try coming up with a 2nd insult.Will Mercedes fans ever run out of toys to throw out their pram?
It would be funnier if the team benefiting from all this wasn't an actual toy of one rich AustrianWould be a bit cruel when the first lands so squarely on the nose.
yeah not like a proper fan owned team such as Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 racing.It would be funnier if the team benefiting from all this wasn't an actual toy of one rich Austrian
Finally you get itSo it’s all because the wrong Austrian billionaire is winning with their plaything?
Exactly.yeah not like a proper fan owned team such as Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 racing.
I think it is in F1's business interest, from a PR perspective, to cover up where possible any perceived cheating within the sport. I don't think that is a conspiracy, just self interest to avoid bad publicity leading to a drop in the amount of money being generated.I'm not saying the outcome is different. I'm just saying whilt I do believe they will feck this up I don't buy into the conspiracy theories.
Its also come to the point where if the FIA say "no cap was broken", I will believe the other team principals who will all be intimately familiar with how much things cost. You have them all saying they had to stop on the current cars over the summer and RB have brought update after update after update and no-one can figure out how they're affording it.
The reason I will choose to believe this is because of what I said before, the FIA are incompetent and will never reverse a world championship, even if they should. Let's say it turrned out RB had spent $7m over cap, I still think the FIA wouldn't reverse a championship, even though in that case it would be the only reasonable outcome. Lance Armtstrong didn't get to keep his titles, Juventus didn't get to keep their titles after calciopoli, Olympians regularly lose medals when they're caught doping. Anything short of disqualification would be a disgrace.
This really doesn’t make sense to be honest. If you were booking it like a wrestling show you’d want Hamilton to win the title last year, always good to have the upstart look to have it in the bag then only just fail before actually winning. It’s storytelling 101.They turned it into WWE when the ref (massi) hit Hamilton from behind with a chair and gave the belt to max
This really doesn’t make sense to be honest. If you were booking it like a wrestling show you’d want Hamilton to win the title last year, always good to have the upstart look to have it in the bag then only just fail before actually winning. It’s storytelling 101.
Masi made a simple mistake under tough circumstances. A safety car finish would have been awful, everyone knows the right call was a red flag but it took longer than he thought to clear up the mess from the crash and he panicked, it’s already cost him his job like.
The team won the championship anyway. If you want to build intrigue you want another year of “can Max get over the line?” as losing to Lewis does nothing to hurt his growing rep. I’m going into storytelling though which obviously isn’t what happened.Disagree with the first paragraph. It is very bad for their brand for the same team to win every year.
Second should be obvious. It was a really hard decision under intense pressure, with lots of moving parts (taking longer than predicted to clear the track etc).
It also clearly shouldn’t have been allowed for the teams to communicate directly with him.
But he made the worst of all the calls available and was rightly sacked.