They are not only far behind Red Bull with the car but also on strategy.
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How many points have the SCs cost Lewis this season...Australia, Silverstone, here?
Another wasted sunday afternoon watching this dubious shit. Max would have won anyway but we could have had a race.
SC messed this race up
But their original race strategy was better than RB’s?
yeah but he no longer has the power to sway decisions his way.
I'm not saying he's crap and can't win, I'm saying that F1 is moving on from him
Kinda how Ronaldo is still good but clearly doesn't have the same clout anymore
Then what are you arguing about? feck me. It was either pit neither if you think there’s a chance he wouldn’t pass both - which it turns out there was zero chance - or you pit both.
They fecked up. I don’t think there’s a grand conspiracy here
Meh, Max wins with ease in the end.
Race decided by VSC and SC.
Russel made the right call and Mercedes said yes.
Race decided by VSC and SC.
Russel made the right call and Mercedes said yes.
Merc showing that sometimes they are just as bad as Ferrari when it comes to strategy.
Verstappen HUMILIATING britain's best Russel and Hamilton in one race. The latter is used to seeing the flying dutchman zoom past him, Russel is getting a taste of what his bright future is going to be like: watching red bull car's ass.
What a day. Racing to an overwhelming second championship. I'm buzzing.
What a day. Racing to an overwhelming second championship. I'm buzzing.
They fecked up. I don’t think there’s a grand conspiracy here
Maybe not, but 3 years ago they would have forced Russell to stay out there to protect.
Perez again proving again he’s a waste of time in a top team.
Hardly the majestic win Horner is saying it was.
George driver of the day for me.
George driver of the day for me.
No one is arguing ffs
The only strategy was to pit for new softs. You said there was other calls, there wasn't. Leaving both out and trying to win was never an option which is the point I was contending. The only option was to pit both. Mercedes didn't go this and only went with one call, and the results speak.
Ferrari were nowhere in this race
I think the mistake by Mercedes was probably not informing Hamilton that Russell was going in for softs so he couldn't make an informed decision on his own tyres.
Russell's call was last minute in the pits, Hamilton was past the pit box when Russell decided to come in. There was never an opportunity to make a call.
Except for going for the 2 stop?…
OR PIT BOTH. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Either they felt they could win - if so they had to leave both out. They had zero chance to win thus they had to pit both. The option they took - to pit only Russell should not have been an option. It meant zero chance of the win and left Hamilton out there to dry.No one is arguing ffs
Leaving both out and trying to win was never an option which is the point I was contending. The only option was to pit both. Mercedes didn't go this and only went with one call, and the results speak.
That's fair, if it was that late there's not much Mercedes could have done (apart from make the decision for him)
Russell hasn’t actually beaten Hamilton on pace since Lewis stopped fecking about with setups but he’s not going to catch him now. I’m sure he won’t give a shit really but the frothing internet will love it and try to re-write the history books.
Russell is really good though.
Russell is really good though.
Don’t really want to get involved, but it looks like you’re both saying the same thing???
Not a lot will be said about that restart, Max reaction was brilliant and he was close to Hamilton even before that last corner and using DRS. Once again showing he is easily the best driver on the grid.
I don't think Hamilton will be proud of that restart.
I don't think Hamilton will be proud of that restart.
Yeah I think we now are
yep, made the right pit calls and sacrificed the second team driver at the right time. perfect.
Also RB were one of the first to pit under the SC, gave up the lead and went to softs. It was a good call in the end.
To pass Hamilton on the straight before the first corner was icing on the cake for them.
There's nothing to sat about the restart, it wasn't ever going to be a competition. Hamilton was a sitting duck, a Red Bull on brand new softs vs Mercedes on used mediums isn't a contest.
Horner has never been one for humility, but I can't believe Max got DOTD. His was a solid drive today, but he took the fastest car by a mile from 1st to 1st, assisted by a perfectly timed safety car, hardly earth shattering stuff.
Russell was far more deserving (as would Lewis have been if Mercedes had given him softs at the end).
Max could have 10 titles really if he plays his cards well. I don't see any other driver who is close to him once Lewis retires.
Yeah, we saw. He won.
Hamilton needs to realise them both staying out was never going to result in them keeping Max behind. It would have happened sooner or later. Russel made the right call and Mercedes should have anticipated what happened the moment they knew the safety car required going through the pits. Hamilton should have come in too and tried to take second.
But it was proven the one stop from medium to hard was the fastest strategy, because of the pace of the hard tyre? Max would have been in trouble if there were no SC’s
Hamilton made a it of a mess of it, agreed. It wouldn't have affected the race, but he should have waited until the last second to accelerate to avoid giving Max a tow.
Think this is a bit harsh on Charles, who has more than proven he has the pace to compete with max, shame his team are all potato’s
I thought it was an entertaining watch, although a bit of a mess at the end with a lot of strange strategy calls and team mistakes.
Will be curious to hear the full details on what the hell actually happened with Tsunoda out there? Some sketchy stuff going on around that anyway. Of course that kicked off the strange end to the race.
Will be curious to hear the full details on what the hell actually happened with Tsunoda out there? Some sketchy stuff going on around that anyway. Of course that kicked off the strange end to the race.
Bold call and if he does fair play to him, but to win 10 close to impossible I think, but I think he will equal Lewis.
And let them know.
"That was the biggest **** up."
"I can't believe you guys **** **** me, can't you how **** I am."
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Yep, accelerating in the corners while Max is on softs was really amateur stuff. And from what I can remember before Hamilton was always good on restarts.
They can’t warm the tyres up. Russell almost got passed by le clerc on a new set of softs - Hamilton had zero chance against that red bull on old mediums.