Absolutely. That seems to be their USP!
F1 2022 Season
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That's a lovely red..... I love it in that lighting, they've done a great job in those shots.
- Alfa
- Aston
- Ferrari
- Williams
- Alpha
- Mercedes
- Alpine
- McLaren
- Red Bull
- Haas
Really impressed with the look of pretty much all the cars, good shape and nice looking liveries. If there's still little to no overtaking at least they look good this year.
Thought's on this ? His lack of talent will cost him his seat but you can't be taking away his super licence just because his Russian.
If his daddy's money isn't rolling in anymore, then Haas don't really have any incentive to keep him on. Everyone knows he hasn't got that seat through merit and there are loads of better drivers to pick from.
Why can't you? Sanctions should affect Russian people, why else would they come to understand that as a nation they are pariahs, that if they don't agree with what comes to affect them they need to appreciate that the person responsible is their leader.
He does not deserve his seat, he only has it because of his daddy's money, there is better drivers with no seat who would do better, but to lose his seat because he is Russian is harsh, not his fault his country is run by a bellend.
This is the way I see it as well.
Yea losing it because he's Russian is harsh, but will he be able to travel to all the races this year, that will probably end up being the reason used to get rid of him
I disagree with the principal that he shouldn’t have a seat because he is Russian. I think that line of thought is unfair.
With Mazepin specifically, the issue is complicated because of the “money” he’s used to fund his way to F1 is dirty, based upon the sanctions specifically on his father.
The issue of him not deserving a seat is a separate issue, and I very much agree he doesn’t deserve his seat.
So in Mazepin’s case, revoking his license wouldn’t be particularly unfair albeit harsh for the reasons above. However to suggest all Russian drivers should lose their license would be a step too far, for me.
With Mazepin specifically, the issue is complicated because of the “money” he’s used to fund his way to F1 is dirty, based upon the sanctions specifically on his father.
The issue of him not deserving a seat is a separate issue, and I very much agree he doesn’t deserve his seat.
So in Mazepin’s case, revoking his license wouldn’t be particularly unfair albeit harsh for the reasons above. However to suggest all Russian drivers should lose their license would be a step too far, for me.
Not really the thread for it but taking away your racing licence isn't putting your foot on a drowning man's head, you are inconveniencing someone, they are going to have to make that tiniest of sacrifices - not being able to enjoy your passion, hobby, weekend fun. In Mazepin's case he's a paying competitor, not good enough to earn a drive, what's the big deal?
Some Russians being denied a small thing in their lives because of their political leaders. We have nothing against Russian people as individuals, that would be pathetic but the Russian people have to be accountable for their leaders, no-one imagines it is easy living in Russia and getting to choose a democratic system but if not them, then who?
Sorry for taking the thread off topic but Motor Racing isn't Life, it's not a Right as such but a privilege.
Just give that seat to Piastri. Mick and Piastri can battle it out in that Haas.
Although i agree with Mazepin specifically losing his seat. I totally disagree with your premise. There are plenty of Russian people against the war and their leader. You need to assess each case on merit. Not implement a blanket ban on all.
By your logic all American and British drivers would've had their super licences revoked during the Iraq war. Maybe you think they should have too?
And most of the European countries supported that war too
Not the topic but I will reply. Who do you think the sanctions are only going to apply to? Putin and his committee?
If the weight of World opinion had been against America and Britain (which btw don't we think it should have been?) during the Iraqi War and Afghanistan...(Police Action?), and sanctions had been applied then certainly FIA Motorsport Licences might have been one place to hit citizens of the countries mentioned. Honestly, do people really think sanctions should only apply to the things we won't miss?
Again, sorry for the disruption.
edit. By your standard why should it only apply to Mazepin? Because he's shit? I think we'd need to be a little more even handed then 'because he's shit' or ' because he's shit and high profile'. Is he not a citizen?
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Banning Mazepin will have hardly any effect on Russian moral.
I think we should do the opposite. Have him drive and only stream his onboard cam to Russia. Seeing how shit he is every race all race should give them food for thought.
I think we should do the opposite. Have him drive and only stream his onboard cam to Russia. Seeing how shit he is every race all race should give them food for thought.
His daddy's money might be gone in a few weeks.
It won't end up costing F1 much in terms of quality motor racing.
We're just talking about a very select number of oligarch's children not being able to take part in International competitions. How many will that be? 5? 10? 20?
Hardly worth doing when the real aim is Mazepin who in all probability won't have Daddy paying for his ride this year.
Just wanted to put it out there, that the ban doesn't just ban Mazepin and Shwartzman (test driver) from F1. It bans Russian drivers from all FIA racing competitions.
That means they can't skip across to other FIA series like Formula E or F2 or whatever. Also means Kvyat loses his drive in WEC. Smolyar loses his F3 seat, Sidorkova loses her W Series seat, and I guess all of SMP Racing and the young Russian drivers will just dissolve or something.
Should it happen, it will be interesting to see if Shwartzman can just continue under an Israeli license or not.
Think that could lead to more drivers applying for foreign driving licenses to continue racing.
That means they can't skip across to other FIA series like Formula E or F2 or whatever. Also means Kvyat loses his drive in WEC. Smolyar loses his F3 seat, Sidorkova loses her W Series seat, and I guess all of SMP Racing and the young Russian drivers will just dissolve or something.
Should it happen, it will be interesting to see if Shwartzman can just continue under an Israeli license or not.
Think that could lead to more drivers applying for foreign driving licenses to continue racing.
Well then, the sanctioning of Russian Drivers from taking part in International competition might be as effective as cutting off Putin's supply of Essence of Dormouse Fart, and by the by, as painful to the Russian People as a whole.
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Mazepin's father, who funds his sons drive and the team has close links with Putin and met him as recently as January. That's why he should be banned. Not because of the country he was born in or because he is "shit" FFS.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/nikita-mazepin-f1-haas-controversy-26355038
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/formula...whose-father-is-ally-of-vladimir-putin-319475
That's very nice!
So because his father funds his drive and because of something his father has done, not him. Why? That is the most illogical of all reasons!
Yeah.So because his father funds his drive and because of something his father has done, not him. Why? That is the most illogical of all reasons!
I suppose that, without his dad's money, Mazepin's position at Hass is basically lost. But as long as there is no evidence of Mazepin himself cosying up to Putin or anything like that, I don't see why he should lose his seat just because his dad is being ostracized.
as recently as January? He was there for this 'meeting with representatives of Russian business circles' with Putin on the SAME DAY that Putin launched the invasion of Ukraine.
This guys lists them all:
So that seems laughable to you. But your xenophobia seems a valid reason to ban 144 million Russians? Based only on something their parents have done, not them, which is have a child in Russia.So because his father funds his drive and because of something his father has done, not him. Why? That is the most illogical of all reasons!
Very strange lack of logic. But carry on, I don't want to derail the thread.
It's laughable because there's as little logic to the idea as any, hardly to mention wrong in point of fact, however your accusation of xenophobia is well wide of the mark and unworthy of you, not demonstrated in anything I've had to say. It's a shame we disagree but if you are going to cut up nasty I think it would be best to leave the subject.
The proposal will affect a tiny number of Russian drivers, is intended to join other sports in showing Putin the disapprobation he is held in by the rest of the World, not the Russian people themselves. Not attempting to punish one son or people for their father or leader's actions.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...competing-in-motorsport-events-in-uk-12555498
Is this the right action to take, I don't know to be honest, but it was expected.
Is this the right action to take, I don't know to be honest, but it was expected.
good video, could be McLaren have a bit of an edge.
Sanctions are intended to impact both leaders and the people. One of the aims is to disenfranchise the people from their government and essentially encourage rebelion. I have no objection to banning Russian drivers, that country has invaded another sovereign nation and is at war, it is not "business as usual". Is this the fault of individual Russians? Mostly no, but equally any government can be overthrown by its people given the will. If the Russian state as a whole maintains its status quo and continues to engage with these actions they must be totally ostracized from the rest of the world.
If not, where do you stop? Russia invades Moldova and we continue? They invade Estonia and now NATO are involved, do we still allow their athletes to continue? If not where are you drawing the line? NATO is not the definition of when a line is crossed, in most people's mind the line has now been crossed.
If not, where do you stop? Russia invades Moldova and we continue? They invade Estonia and now NATO are involved, do we still allow their athletes to continue? If not where are you drawing the line? NATO is not the definition of when a line is crossed, in most people's mind the line has now been crossed.
Apparently Max has signed a new £40mil per season, minimum 4 year deal with red bull.
In theory, this would be a great approach for all countries. However, this conveniently ignores the immoral actions many other countries are / have been involved in. The line appears to be drawn only where you are told it should be, told by countries who have crossed the same line many times before and continue to do so.
Interesting. They do have a long history in F1 which may have benefited their design. Harping back to the good old days of ground effect!
Lewis is confirmed for this season! Objectively that will make 2022 much more interesting for F1.
He was always going to drive this season, most of the reports of him walking away were from the press.
Russia grand prix gone for good*
*till people forget in 10 years