F1 2022 Season

I haven’t seen any post race coverage but that’s a few times Perez has suffered more tyre deg than Max, it happened at Monaco and here. It’s a bit strange as that is normally the strong point for Perez, it’s like it’s reversed as Perez is currently beating Max in qualifying and got the fastest lap whilst Max has come through in the race rather than qualify first and go into the distance - perhaps just down to setup.

Looks like reliability may still be a factor later this season as they cycle through engines and there will be engine penalties for both teams. Ferrari need to get back some momentum as we get into more normal tracks like Silverstone.
 
ZIDANE said:
I haven’t seen any post race coverage but that’s a few times Perez has suffered more tyre deg than Max, it happened at Monaco and here. It’s a bit strange as that is normally the strong point for Perez, it’s like it’s reversed as Perez is currently beating Max in qualifying and got the fastest lap whilst Max has come through in the race rather than qualify first and go into the distance - perhaps just down to setup.

Looks like reliability may still be a factor later this season as they cycle through engines and there will be engine penalties for both teams. Ferrari need to get back some momentum as we get into more normal tracks like Silverstone.
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perez is made to use max’s scrubs so verstappen gets two full sets of new tyres every race weekend.
 
I think Lewis shat his pants today. Complaining about a cold seat (???) all of a sudden and walking funny after the race.
 
What is the cause of the Ferrari’s engine problems, could it be the porpoising shaking the shut out of the engine, or is it something to do with trying to shed weight in the engine department, the problem with the mercs is plain to see the side pods give no rigidity to the outer floor and with weight cutting it’s going to be a hard fix
 
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What is the cause of the Ferrari’s engine problems, could it be the porpoising shaking the shut out of the engine, or is it something to do with trying to shed weight in the engine department, the problem with the mercs is plain to see the side pods give no rigidity to the outer floor and with weight cutting it’s going to be a hard fix
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I'd say it's down to the high temp during the race.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think it's more just perhaps the message wasn't needed? I dont think Perez could have done much fairly to stop him anyway.

I get the team wanted to avoid some sort of crash, but it does sound like they're handing it to him with minimal fuss.

Max was clearly too fast for Sergio today though.
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Sure. And I get that after Spain it looks bad. I just don't see how this can be earnestly characterised as handing the title to Verstappen when the latter was significantly faster.

Again though I'd feel differently if the message was "let Max through" versus "don't fight" - for me the latter is the sort of compromise that happens all the time when the trailing car is faster (e.g. Gasly today when trying to hold off Lewis) and to bring it up is almost a non-issue.
 
rimaldo said:
to me it was a fairly easy red bull 1-2 as long as nothing majorly went wrong for them. which is the same for any race when you’re 1-2. red bull decided on about lap 10 the order that 1-2 should be. the message to perez was clear “no fighting” it wasn’t “don’t do anything stupid” it wasn’t “max looks faster, we have a 1-2 here. we don’t throw that away” it was clear he wasn’t allowed to do anything that constituted making max work for it. like i say, fine to have a number two driver, just don’t pretend it’s a fair fight.
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That's assuming that the team order was the only message Perez would have gotten. Their engineers are in the racers' ears all the time talking about their lap times, who's ahead and behind, and the difference with their lap times. It's very likely Perez would already have known Verstappen was much quicker (plus he could've figures it out himself from Verstappen closing in quickly). So the team message is just a conclusion, not the first and only thing Perez would have heard about the situation.

More generally, I don't get why people question the 'don't fight' order. Given Verstappen was much quicker, what possible advantage would there have been for Red Bull in letting Perez defend? If it's near the end and Perez has a chance of managing to defend long enough to get a P1, then yes please, let him fight. But so early in the race? They just risk the competition closing in or an accident, all while knowing Verstappen will take over anyway sooner or later. Better for the team to get it over quick in that situation.
 
Not surprised Hamilton was left with an injured back. I've never heard such a noise on his car cam, the constant bouncing when he was on the straight was so audible.

Now off to the "let's all laugh" thread!
 
Jerch said:
Leclerc dnf-ed as many times as Max did
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While it's true, Even with all the associated problems, red bull cars are much better than ferrari in terms of reliability this season, isn't it?

Not rb or Verstappens fault but for people like us with no great affiliation to drivers or teams, we just want exciting races.
 
fishfingers15 said:
While it's true, Even with all the associated problems, red bull cars are much better than ferrari in terms of reliability this season, isn't it?

Not rb or Verstappens fault but for people like us with no great affiliation to drivers or teams, we just want exciting races.
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Yeah, it's disappointing, isn't it. Turning from a very exciting season into a pretty boring one very quickly if Ferrari doesn't fix this soon.
 
fishfingers15 said:
While it's true, Even with all the associated problems, red bull cars are much better than ferrari in terms of reliability this season, isn't it?

Not rb or Verstappens fault but for people like us with no great affiliation to drivers or teams, we just want exciting races.
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Based on what. Excluding the dnfs Max had problems with drs in Barcelona, Perez engine problems in USA and some problems with engine yesterday in qualifications.
Red Bull have to improve their reliability also.
 
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Cheimoon said:
That's assuming that the team order was the only message Perez would have gotten. Their engineers are in the racers' ears all the time talking about their lap times, who's ahead and behind, and the difference with their lap times. It's very likely Perez would already have known Verstappen was much quicker (plus he could've figures it out himself from Verstappen closing in quickly). So the team message is just a conclusion, not the first and only thing Perez would have heard about the situation.

More generally, I don't get why people question the 'don't fight' order. Given Verstappen was much quicker, what possible advantage would there have been for Red Bull in letting Perez defend? If it's near the end and Perez has a chance of managing to defend long enough to get a P1, then yes please, let him fight. But so early in the race? They just risk the competition closing in or an accident, all while knowing Verstappen will take over anyway sooner or later. Better for the team to get it over quick in that situation.
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I also interpreted it that way.

This scenario was similar to Spain, with the difference being that this ocurred in Lap 15 and not Lap 40 and that this time there was no opposition from Ferrari, which is good news to RB but not so much for Checo, due that it's better for him having a different driver between him and Max.

As I have said, I think Max's a better driver than Perez in terms of speed and will get the upper hand from RB in terms of strategy if he's at a better pace, specially in races like the one today where Mercedes was like +40 seg distance. There was no point in Perez defending today because he would have losed in the long term and, as seen at the start of the season, maintaining that engine in driving conditions is also part of the strategy from a driver (if not, ask Ferrari today). Finally, overtaking Leclerc in the WDC is not a bad result at all and accomplishing 129 points by the end of the first quarter of the season is an incredible result so far. Perez had never accomplished 5 podiums in his first 8 races before and, as long as he gets the points the chances for competing with Max will be there.

As Juan Pablo Montoya said, Checo's only solution to this is to drive faster (easier said than done), but has shown improvement in his quallies and results. The season is still very long and will surely have better battles to fight.
 
Have to hand it to Ferrari, I thought they would at least get to the summer break without making an utter balls of everything.

Monaco and Baku have really put them on the back foot already.
 
christy87 said:
What is the cause of the Ferrari’s engine problems, could it be the porpoising shaking the shut out of the engine, or is it something to do with trying to shed weight in the engine department, the problem with the mercs is plain to see the side pods give no rigidity to the outer floor and with weight cutting it’s going to be a hard fix
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The ferrari PU issue affected one of the Alfa Romeo's as well. So unless the specific engines have done too many races and are lacking reliability then there is something else at play. Obviously ferrari wont say what.
 
Kevin said:
I told you, I told all of YOU when he skilfully blasted past your old paps Hamilton (even his name sounds like that of an old man) that the domination would start.

People got giddy over LeMeh thwarting Verstappen just because they were pissing their pink panties that he would break their hero’s records are now bitter as feck :lol: i guess they recognize the threat that is the once in a generation talent Verstappen.
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Age guess: 12 years old?
 
Ferrari self destruction ruined the race for me. I thought the two different strats would have been interesting to see converge. I feel Charles could have challenged max to the end
 
Cheimoon said:
Given Verstappen was much quicker, what possible advantage would there have been for Red Bull in letting Perez defend?
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Hamilton fans on the caf would be happier with Red Bull?

You have to take that into account too.
 
Fully Fledged said:
What was the point of getting closer when he was told he couldn't fight Max. He was 20 odd seconds ahead of Russell so he had nothing to push for.
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He was slower than max by some distance. Most likely they changed a set up on the front wing that gave pèrez much more tyre deg than max. Pèrez tyres were losing grip much faster than max.

Having pèrez fight Max would have seen pèrez end up third of Charles didn't blow up due to time loss of fighting
 
Amar__ said:
Hamilton fans on the caf would be happier with Red Bull?

You have to take that into account too.
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I admit that this is a demographic that Horner might not be considering enough when making in-race decisions.
 
Kevin said:
I told you, I told all of YOU when he skilfully blasted past your old paps Hamilton (even his name sounds like that of an old man) that the domination would start.

People got giddy over LeMeh thwarting Verstappen just because they were pissing their pink panties that he would break their hero’s records are now bitter as feck :lol: i guess they recognize the threat that is the once in a generation talent Verstappen.
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FFS contender for worst post in thread.
 
Cheimoon said:
Pure wumming without value-add. I'm arguing for a thread ban. This thread is (often) divisive enough without that stuff.
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Just ignore the idiots. Theres enough decent people on here that you can have some interesting discussions.
 
Agreed. The Max/Lewis banter is a bit over done now. Nothing wrong with supporting your favourite driver, but purposely winding people up is a bit OTT.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
FFS this thread is nothing compared to the rubbish on other sites.
Lewis is faking it , he is the only driver moaning, even homophobic insults.
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Urgh. Christ.

Anyway, back to more interesting stuff. When's the next race and whom does the track layout favour? :)
 
fishfingers15 said:
Super annoyed with Ferrari ffs. Leclerc needs a break with this unreliable car. Mercedes is leading Ferrari in the team points and even Wolff knows it's a shitbox
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Don't believe mercedes are ahead of Ferrari in the constructors.
 
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