F1 2022 Season

Mercedes look back on it this weekend.

Could be that Barcelona isn't a high top speed track so Porpoising won't be a big issue anyway, but the car just looks much more planted in general.

Seems we have a top 3 battle now.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
FP2 times are encouraging for Mercedes, hope its not a repeat of Miami and FP3 and qualifying are back to being rubbish.
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It does look like they have gotten the porposing under control but lets see what tomorrow brings. Fingers crossed they are competitive again as it will make the season so much more interesting as will the green red bulls.
 
Spanish GP FP 2 Timesheet
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I didnt get to see the last 30mins of fp2, had to go do nursery pickup. Did max not get a clear run for his flying lap?
 
Horner raises concerns over Aston Martin 'lookalike'
Horner has also been having his say on the controversy surrounding the apparent similarities between Red Bull's car and Aston Martin's.

"Imitation is the biggest form of flattery at the end of the day and it's no coincidence we've had a few individuals who have transferred from Red Bull to Aston Martin over the winter and the early part of this season.
"It was actually brought to our attention by the FIA earlier in the week when they said 'We've got a car which looks remarkably like yours, can we have a list of your leavers to see where they went?'. Of course, that immediately raises alarm bells.

"What is permissible - we see it up and down the paddock individuals move from team to team after a gardening leave period.

"What individuals take in their head, that's fair game and is their knowledge. What isn't fair and totally unacceptable is if there has been any transfer of IP."

The FIA have investigated the matter and cleared Aston Martin to use their new-look car, and Horner hopes the governing body are doing their job in ensuring team intellectual property is not being stolen.

"I'm not going to disclose exactly where we are with certain individuals, but it would be a criminal offence.

"Ideas are a team's lifeblood, it's what we invest millions of pounds into and you wouldn't want to see that just turning up in a rival organisation.

"We will have an internal investigation, we've got our own software protections, we know exactly where our software is looked at and where it is controlled.

"It's the job of the regulator, the FIA, because they have the access and we rely very much on them to ensure there is no transfer of IP and no abuse of that."

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dinostar77 said:
Yes mentioned on sky f1 coverage. Personally im all for teams copying other teams, it will just bring the pack closer together and lead to better racing.
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As long as it’s not done by espionage, it’s all ok, but going by what Horner has said it would of been impossible for the to reverse engineer some of the parts they have in the time frame.
 
christy87 said:
As long as it’s not done by espionage, it’s all ok, but going by what Horner has said it would of been impossible for the to reverse engineer some of the parts they have in the time frame.
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Horner is a muppet. How many of the Mercedes powertrain staff have RB poached? How good is the unbranded Honda powerunit now? Pot, kettle, black.
 
Mercedes still not there in the high speed stuff but looks like they have taken a step forward.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
True, they tinkered about with the cars after FP2 in Miami and made it worse, hopefully they wont this time.
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Sky F1 said Mercedes can turn porposing on and off when they want now. Which implies they have got to the root of the issue and resolved it.
 
The Firestarter said:
Copying general shapes / ideas I think is fine, but carbon copying elements I cant imagine being legal, essentially you are not doing any design/ innovation you are running a Xerox machine.
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Where do you draw the line though? If someone comes up with a wing shape and you look into it and the optimal shape is the one the other car has, you're suggesting they should build a less good part so that it looks a bit different?
 
slyadams said:
Where do you draw the line though? If someone comes up with a wing shape and you look into it and the optimal shape is the one the other car has, you're suggesting they should build a less good part so that it looks a bit different?
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Well its the same as IP in business. Patents exist for precisely this reason.
 
Very promising for Mercedes, we'll known an awful lot more about where they are now tomorrow.
 
Hamilton did say there is some porposing in the corners which they are hoping to dial out but no porposing on the straights anymore.

Also Mercedes were running regular engine mode yesterday and ferrari and RB weren't. So when ferrari and RB turn the engines up for qually id expect to see a bigger gap to the mercs.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I did not see that bit, but when would you want to turn it on ? I would of thought you wanted rid of it 100% of the time.
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I imagine it is more of being able to understand what causes it, so when they do setup adjustments, they don’t reintroduce it.

Knowing when and what causes it, means they can steer clear of it or at least ride the car right on the limit to get the max performance from it.
 
theyneverlearn said:
I imagine it is more of being able to understand what causes it, so when they do setup adjustments, they don’t reintroduce it.

Knowing when and what causes it, means they can steer clear of it or at least ride the car right on the limit to get the max performance from it.
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I see what you mean now , yeah makes sense, know what is causing so dont do it.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I see what you mean now , yeah makes sense, know what is causing so dont do it.
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Yep, "being able to turn it on and off" in engineering is a way to prove to your boss / the customer / whoever is annoyed that you understand the problem and what you need to do to fix it.
 
TwoSheds said:
Yep, "being able to turn it on and off" in engineering is a way to prove to your boss / the customer / whoever is annoyed that you understand the problem and what you need to do to fix it.
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Until the 4th time you try it and suddenly it doesn't work anymore and you want to cry *has flash backs to being a Quality Engineer*
 
mitChley said:
Until the 4th time you try it and suddenly it doesn't work anymore and you want to cry *has flash backs to being a Quality Engineer*
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You don't try it 4 times, are you mad?! That's just tempting fate :lol:
 
Red bull/Ferrari didn't have their engines turned up so being fastest on the straights isn't that important.

The fact they're not in the corners is.
 
FP3 cooling down Merc's hopes a fair bit here.

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No idea on what fuel or engine maps they're running but this could get lively if the three teams are still running this close in qualifying.
 
Qually and the race could be so interesting for once at spain. Ferrari (leclerc) will probably get pole but ferrari suffering more than RB and Merc with degradation on the soft tyre.

I'd expect max to get past leclerc at the first pitstop, but RB arent as good through the infield section as ferrari. No idea if Mercedes have held anything back engine wise in fp3 but they are getting closer. Would be great tomorrow if Russell and Hamilton were in the mix with the RBs and Ferraris on genuine pace.
 
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