Newey is the god of F1 car design.
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First I hate fanboy, but I can see past that.
The rest of your post, I can't argue with any of it, I said before, last season Lewis would have been straight in for softs and 10, 11 Laps of hammertime.
He threw himself under the bus, he should have pitted.
I don't think he has cracked, he desperately wants to win, I think he has no confidence in the car.
Imola was embarrassing for Lewis, being lapped by Max was unacceptable.
Did making all the text bold help with that checkage?
Why do you do it to yourself. You’re too kind
So I got a little active in the f1 thread at the end of last season, but found myself discussing a little bit too much with Lewis stans, so I took a break.
Is this thread safe again for Max fans now that Lewis seems done?
Is this thread safe again for Max fans now that Lewis seems done?
First things first...are you planning to say things like "MAX MAX MAX, SUPER MAX MAX MAX"?
If so, yes please, do come back, it's all safe and overindulgence is not frowned upon either, should you feel the need.
Rory Byrne says hello
Rory has a better win and championship ratio than Newey, he just decided to retire.Byrne-designed cars have won ninety-nine Grands Prix, seven constructors' titles and seven drivers' titles. This makes Byrne the third most successful Formula One designer, behind rival Adrian Newey and Colin Chapman.Rory Byrne says hello
Newey's designs have won numerous titles and 178 Grands Prix (as of the 2022 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix). Newey is one of the most successful designers, winning ten Constructors' Championships with three different Formula One teams, and with seven different drivers winning the Drivers' Championship driving Newey's designs. After designing championship-winning Formula One cars for Williams F1 and McLaren, Newey moved to Red Bull Racing in 2006, his cars winning the Formula One drivers' and constructors' championships consecutively from 2010 to 2013, and the drivers' championship in 2021.[1] Newey's designs also won the 1985 and 1986 CART titles
I would say Newey is better
(I got info from Wikipedia)
Byrne retired in 2006 I believe and only consulted there after. He was part of Luca Di’s purge of the Schumacher era Ferrari team in 06-07
Did not know that both amazing designers.
Adrian Newey’s record is incredible.
Yes boys come on!
Does it count for your thread if you stir it up yourself? I feel like you should have declared a conflict of interest with that post...
What’s impressive about Newey is his age when he started designing race winning cars. I didn’t realise he was in his 30’s at Williams and McLaren.
I would also add Patrick Head to list of goats technical directors. Effectively mentored Newey and was instrumental in some of the greatest technological Advances in F1 and by default, car racing in general.
I would also add Patrick Head to list of goats technical directors. Effectively mentored Newey and was instrumental in some of the greatest technological Advances in F1 and by default, car racing in general.
Usually we got the team set up. I'm out here doing the dirty work of luring out the lunatics and fishing for a reaction while @SirAnderson then reels them in for his thread
You right, manufactured handbags aren't as enjoyable as the deep seated primal ones.
So @Kanu just so you know, if you pull any fanboism handbag shenanigans, it will be flagged and laughed at.
Post away, this season it has been good so far I think.
There has been handbags, but not that many, just be warned, if you do start with handbags @SirAnderson will be right on you
Couldn't believe what his team said during the race but hearing the full conversation, it makes sense.
Think Hamilton is under too much pressure and this isn't a working team dynamic. Doesn't paint him in a good light but i hope Hamilton and Mercedes turn it around sooner
I thought he had started much younger, until I read more about him, his record is phenomenal
I would agree with this, he is used to having a car that will do what he wants, this year so far, its not playing ball, maybe the reason he did not pit, maybe he thought what's the point.
Lewis has always been flakey with his race picture and has said many times in interviews he leaves it up to the team as they have all the info. If it's very obvious to stay out longer and get a few more laps out of a tyre before pitting he'll do it but most times he doesn't know who is behind or in front, can't understand safety cars or VSC gains, often bemused asking basic questions like why is he ahead, well then why didn't we do that. This radio is very typical of him at a loss and unsure.
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He's a bad loser but so is every competitive sportsman. He clearly feels the rub of the green is against him at the moment and in some places it is.
He obviously knew he couldn't gift Russell track position and tried to remain ahead on track (overtaking wasn't proving easy) but ultimately that decision didn't pay off.
He didn't exactly lose out on much anyway, he was always going to end up behind Russell. It's whether he could have fought back and got him with them both on fresh tyres.
Maybe the pressure is getting to him a little, but that's sort of understandable. He's got a rapid, determined and cerebral new team mate who's out to be number 1. There is no pressure on Russell at all this year, it's a free hit.
Lewis probably knows he's on borrowed time and things are going against him a little so far - but there is a long way to go.
Hamilton only had new hard tyres, made no sense to pit and lose track position when it would have taken at least a couple of laps to get them up to temperature. He had no new mediums or soft in comparison to Russell as Russell didn't make it to Q3 and had an extra new set.
Think people are reading too much into Hamilton. The car is what it is, Russell has had a very good start to his Merc career but in relation to his performance v hamilton he has gotten the rub of the green in most of the races, lewis has had different setups as well as the race where he was running the sensors. We will see how it pans out over the season. I know a lot of people are desperate to see Lewis fail or see him implode, but I think most are just projecting. I've not seen a change in Lewis from last season, last season him and his team made similar strategy mistakes.
Regarding Mercedes overall I think the spanish gp is do or die for this car, they need to show some demonstratable improvements to get back confidence in the car design.
Regarding Mercedes overall I think the spanish gp is do or die for this car, they need to show some demonstratable improvements to get back confidence in the car design.
I thought he had one set of softs left, well I heard Sky commentators say that.
Only hards left, makes more sense now, you are right no point in pitting for new hards.
Scrubbed softs, so the performance might not have been there. Ultimately the car was probably 5th or 6th at best, so is it worth changing to jeopardise track position on a track with very little overtaking ability.
Agree on Barcelona, not so much a do or die element. That circuit is a good benchmark for the car. I'm still of the opinion that until they get a new floor then nothing will change with Mercedes.
I have no idea why the Mercedes... I mean Lewis fans are up in arms about Hamilton not being told to pit. What on earth would have been the point. From a team perspective you have 20 laps left in a tyre where your less experienced team mate was still getting good times. For Mercedes it doesn't matter if George finishes 5th or Lewis. They got maximum points today and then some, having the 4th fastest car. Pitting Lewis achivies nothing for the team and only puts them at risk incase they have a poor pit stop. And it also puts both drivers on fresh tyres fighting themselves.
They shouldn't have even asked Lewis what he wanted. The most obvious thing to do was to stay out.
The quotes from Mercedes over the weekend are interesting as they have moved from (at least publicly) they don't know what the issues are but are putting full resources into it, to they know it's a fast car but have to understand why it's so difficult to get performance reliably out of it. I suspect the slight optimism now comes from the performance in practice.
It also looks like, as suspected by a few in here that they knew that the upgrades wouldn't solve the issues, and a new floor is what they are waiting on for that.
Miami Grand Prix's remarkable buzz can't hide Mercedes' woe - BBC Sport
It also looks like, as suspected by a few in here that they knew that the upgrades wouldn't solve the issues, and a new floor is what they are waiting on for that.
Miami Grand Prix's remarkable buzz can't hide Mercedes' woe - BBC Sport
The main observation I’ve taken away from this season about Hamilton is that you can tell he’s not been so far back in the pack with an average car for a long time. He’s spent the last several years not needing to take major risks as the car would get him out of trouble against the majority on the straight.
It’s not to say that he’s not a good racer any more, I just think it’s a different skill and a different level of risk that he’s not needed to use for a while. Same for the strategists at Mercedes. They haven’t really needed to take big risks, in fact it was all about minimising risk, even if that means finishing 4th rather than 2nd and risking a DNF.
It’s not to say that he’s not a good racer any more, I just think it’s a different skill and a different level of risk that he’s not needed to use for a while. Same for the strategists at Mercedes. They haven’t really needed to take big risks, in fact it was all about minimising risk, even if that means finishing 4th rather than 2nd and risking a DNF.
Yeah, I'm just trying to help secure the purity of those handbags. I mean, next it'll be your own made-up handbags you're quoting, you'll be accused of cheating, and the haters will tell you to asterisk the thread. Imagine the scenes!You right, manufactured handbags aren't as enjoyable as the deep seated primal ones.
So @Kanu just so you know, if you pull any fanboism handbag shenanigans, it will be flagged and laughed at.
wow, a measured and sensible post in the F1 thread.
What is measured about the post? It offers nothing except throwing shades on anyone doubting Hamilton this season as 'wanting him to fail'.
I don't want Hamilton to fail but he is nowhere near last season, cajoling his team to get better. There are legitimate reasons for this, one of the main reason being an impossible car to drive but many of us here hope he somehow turns in around. Would be boring to just have redbull win at a canter
Because the post stated exactly how it is without-resorting to hyperbole in regards to Hamilton.
Mercedes issue is they cant produce a new floor without being 100% sure of where the problem lies and how to resolve it. If they wasnt a cost cap they'd probably be trying quite a few floor configurations out i suspect. Under a cost cap they need to be really sure. New floors are cheap or quick to manufacture.
Mark Hughes on The Race website said on the weekend that Mercedes dont want to give up on the slim sidepod design because if they can get it to work, the car would dominate races. Thats what the simulations show. The amount of downforce that it could theoretically produce was in the order of numbers that Mercedes hadnt seen before in any other design.
Problem is under the rules as they are it might not be possible to make it happen. If and its a huge if, Mercedes did make it happen and the ontrack performance matched the simulations. Then RB and Ferrari would have to change their car design for next season. Which would be a nightmare for both teams.
I would love to know what adrian newey thinks of the Mercedes concept. After all he did his thesis on ground effect aerodynamics apparently. So if he thinks Mercedes wont get it to work then i'd trust his judgement (not that he has said that in public).