F1 2022 Season

dinostar77 said:
Latest rumour, Audi want a full works team of their own for 2026 season.

Would VW really allow Porsche to enter as a engine supplier to Red Bull for example with a full Audi F1 works team already in the pitlane? Sounds counter productive for VW.

Still a long way to go till 2026 regulations are finalised.

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Balljy said:
I asked that question earlier in the thread (or it could have been last year) when the rumours started and it seems like it's actually a joint venture, where they will develop the engine together rather than two competing suppliers. The works Audi Team will be free to do whatever they want outside of the engine.
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Unless I'm misunderstanding, Dinostar's point is that VW Group own Porsche and Audi, so what benefit would they get letting one arm produce engines for a team that's competing against their other arm?

I assume if it were to happen then they value the marketing from Porsche and Redbull to be more value to them then any potential advantage Audi would have in F1 if they were their sole engineer customers.
 
mitChley said:
Unless I'm misunderstanding, Dinostar's point is that VW Group own Porsche and Audi, so what benefit would they get letting one arm produce engines for a team that's competing against their other arm?
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It's happened for years in Le Mans. I think a lot of the questions around this points to a lack of understanding of the VW Group and how it's made up. Porsche operate very independently from the others and the Porsche family hold a majority stake in the brand, hence why they'll enter F1 as well as another VW Group brand.

With two former VW execs on the board at McLaren we'll most likely see an Audi/McLaren tie up imo and a Porsche entry on engines with Red Bull. I can't see anyone from VW group jump in with both feet on setting up their own team.
 
dinostar77 said:
The issue for Sainz is he doesn't have much time, once he's relegated to a no2 driver. He will be a no2 driver in the eyes of the paddock and any hopes of winning a WDC in the future will effectively be gone.

He really needs to step it up, get a grip with the car and cut out the mistakes. He's going down the Bottas route at present rather than the Rosberg route.
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I feel for him. It must be so disheartening going into the season with a great car, and in just 3 races you're staring in the mirror questioning your abilities, and already playing catch up. It's a slippery slope and F1 is so cut-throat.

Begs the question. If Perez outscores Max in the next race.. Is he now #1 :eek: :lol:
 
mitChley said:
Unless I'm misunderstanding, Dinostar's point is that VW Group own Porsche and Audi, so what benefit would they get letting one arm produce engines for a team that's competing against their other arm?

I assume if it were to happen then they value the marketing from Porsche and Redbull to be more value to them then any potential advantage Audi would have in F1 if they were their sole engineer customers.
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Yeah, I was taking it more from the cost perspective and by it being a joint venture engine it would remove some of that cost. There is a marketing cross-over definitely, but I'm sure they think there's enough differentiation between the brands to make it worthwhile.

F-Red said:
It's happened for years in Le Mans. I think a lot of the questions around this points to a lack of understanding of the VW Group and how it's made up. Porsche operate very independently from the others and the Porsche family hold a majority stake in the brand, hence why they'll enter F1 as well as another VW Group brand.

With two former VW execs on the board at McLaren we'll most likely see an Audi/McLaren tie up imo and a Porsche entry on engines with Red Bull. I can't see anyone from VW group jump in with both feet on setting up their own team.
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To be fair, I think a lot of ardent F1 fans will know the history / organisation of VW and it is quite a weird one, so gets talked about. Le Mans is a good point, and they're doing something similar there now where they're sharing technologies (which I'm sure is to do with cost really) on future cars.

Audi to build Le Mans car 'in close cooperation' with Porsche - The Race (the-race.com)
 
GDaly95 said:
Getting my feet wet in F1 so I've caught up on the past 7 pages of this thread and christ :lol: some pathetic stuff in here.

Someone insinuating that those who don't like Hamilton are racists was the ultimate low point.
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I might be getting on but last time I checked meant getting my feet on wet means you are new to a sport and trying to get to grips with it, yes?

you decide to get your knowledge of a sport, non football related, from 7 pages on a football forum.

Wow

perhaps try the f1 website and forum
 
We need an rvn said:
I might be getting on but last time I checked meant getting my feet on wet means you are new to a sport and trying to get to grips with it, yes?

you decide to get your knowledge of a sport, non football related, from 7 pages on a football forum.

Wow

perhaps try the f1 website and forum
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I haven't come on here to get my knowledge. Just because I was browsing this thread doesn't mean I'm using it as my source of education on F1.
 
Gringo said:
I feel for him. It must be so disheartening going into the season with a great car, and in just 3 races you're staring in the mirror questioning your abilities, and already playing catch up. It's a slippery slope and F1 is so cut-throat.

Begs the question. If Perez outscores Max in the next race.. Is he now #1 :eek: :lol:
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No way. Even if Perez, Max and Hamilton went into the final race level on points, RB would tell Perez to sacrifice his race for Max.
 
Zarlak said:
No way. Even if Perez, Max and Hamilton went into the final race level on points, RB would tell Perez to sacrifice his race for Max.
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At that point he'd be well within his rights to ignore all instructions and race his own race and feck Max and RB.

Sacrifice myself for Max when we have an equal chance of winning it all? Go suck on a goat you pricks.
 
Id like Checo to do well. His driving style could be a better combination with these tyres than Max's.
 
Another impressive drive from Leclerc, he's a cool cat isn't he? I thought before the weekend Sainz is pretty much the number two now with how well Leclerc is doing, not looking good now. Going to be interesting to see if Sainz can reach the level his team mate is at, I suspect he is a little off that top level lap after lap once settled but he had some rotten luck.
 
mitChley said:
Unless I'm misunderstanding, Dinostar's point is that VW Group own Porsche and Audi, so what benefit would they get letting one arm produce engines for a team that's competing against their other arm?

I assume if it were to happen then they value the marketing from Porsche and Redbull to be more value to them then any potential advantage Audi would have in F1 if they were their sole engineer customers.
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No, your not misunderstanding, that was what i meant. Why would VW group spend so much money in F1 with two entries especially as technology sharing across teams is already coming under scrutiny this season. By the time 2026 comes around, Audi and Porsche may not be able to share any F1 related IP. That would be a huge costly overhead to the VW group.

I also dont see the value to the Porsche brand of entering F1. It was different for Mercedes when they entered as Mercedes were regarded as a "old mans car" and that image has been completely changed and the brand re-energized by its association and success in F1.

Porsche is already one of the most valuable brands in the world. Makes fantasic sports cars. When Porsche enters a race car competition its aim isnt to create a competitive car but to be the best car on the grid in pole position. Thats a huge and very very costly ask in F1.

Audi with their motorsports association i can definitely see in F1, hopefully as its own works team. Porsche? I've still not seen a compelling argument as to why they need F1 or why F1 needs them.
 
hellhunter said:
Yeah, would be ridiculous not to use @SirAnderson's thread for that
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Agreed, for all we know he may get a featured slot in 2 weeks time! Fingers crossed!
Hope you have lots of handbags for us @GDaly95 :drool:

As you get your feet wet, some pointers:

@rimaldo is the only one you can really take serious in this thread and even can help sharpen up your knowledge on all things F1. He's the cafe's Brundle. Just not as young as him.

Then there's the OP of this thread, @pauldyson1uk he tries he's best to not come to Lewis' rescue ALL the time by posting all the relevant results as they come out, just don't mention Masi he who shall not be named when speaking to him and you'll be alright.

Last bonus nugget, in case you looking for likeminded and affluent individuals, the current chairmen of Hamilton Apologetics is @simonhch

I see you've already locked words with some, so I'm sure you will be up to speed with who's who in no time. ;)
Welcome!
 
SirAnderson said:
Agreed, for all we know he may get a featured slot in 2 weeks time! Fingers crossed!
Hope you have lots of handbags for us @GDaly95 :drool:

As you get your feet wet, some pointers:

@rimaldo is the only one you can really take serious in this thread and even can help sharpen up your knowledge on all things F1. He's the cafe's Brundle. Just not as young as him.

Then there's the OP of this thread, @pauldyson1uk he tries he's best to not come to Lewis' rescue ALL the time by posting all the relevant results as they come out, just don't mention Masi he who shall not be named when speaking to him and you'll be alright.

Last bonus nugget, in case you looking for likeminded and affluent individuals, the current chairmen of Hamilton Apologetics is @simonhch

I see you've already locked words with some, so I'm sure you will be up to speed with who's who in no time. ;)
Welcome!
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:lol: thank you!

Honestly in terms of allegiances, all I know so far is that I love Guenther Steiner. I don't think anyone will take issue with that.
 
SirAnderson said:
:wenger: Don't blame me!

The Ferrari resurgence may make my interest in this thread dwindle. But then again who knows what kinda fanboys will be crawling out of hiding after so long. :nervous:

I see @WPMUFC is already posting Leclerc pictures every second post, one too keep an eye on for sure! :lol:
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Us Leclerc fans have to bring the light to a thread bathed in darkness :angel:




;)
 
dinostar77 said:
Latest rumour, Audi want a full works team of their own for 2026 season.

Would VW really allow Porsche to enter as a engine supplier to Red Bull for example with a full Audi F1 works team already in the pitlane? Sounds counter productive for VW.

Still a long way to go till 2026 regulations are finalised.

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It’s be an easy win for them. Hedge bets on engine development costs over two teams (one being a known winner) and the other a full fat factory team.

Porsche x Redbull racing just has an inevitability about it.

VAG have a history of this - see last few years, Bentley v Audi lemans 2003.
 
Ferrari came out looking like Mercedes did in the hybrid era. Fast engine, good aero and less deg on tyres, different design philosophy to the other teams so can't copy easily, fast in all conditions, and so far no major team mistakes for their main driver. If it wasn't for that special lap from Perez they would've had all 3 poles.

I'm expecting updates to start coming through the next few races and particularly Spain as they'll already have data from the pre-season test so it will be interesting how the grid looks by then.
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/f1/f1...bull-lewis-hamilton-b2056091.html#post-625166
Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko has admitted Red Bull have “two or three” problems to solve before F1 heads to Imola for the Emilia Romagna Grand Prix.
Max Verstappen was forced to retire for the second time in three races after a suspected problem with his fueling system in Melbourne, already leaving the world champion a huge 46 points behind leader Charles Leclerc.
“There are two or maybe three different things at play,” Marko told Servus TV. “Firstly, the reliability problems, which we hardly had last year, but the lag behind Ferrari was also alarming.
“We were negatively surprised by the speed of Ferrari. They had almost no graining and we already had after a few laps. Ferrari can find a good balance with the car more easily.”
“We are clearly heavier than the Ferrari. I think we have a weight handicap of about 10 kilograms. Converted to lap time, that equates to about three tenths per lap. But lowering the weight is expensive. It’s, to start with, a financial issue and secondly it is also related to reliability, so it is a difficult split due to the budget ceiling. We are facing difficult times.”
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https://the-race.com/formula-1/a-1-50-part-and-a-strategy-misstep-alonsos-lost-weekend/

French engineering at its finest. A £1.50 o-ring caused Alonso's issue on sat qualifying.

Renault/Alpine, have a history for this. Prost lost a championship or two was it with Renault over parts failure, although back then Renault refused to redesign and re-manufacter the £15 part that cost him a championship.

Prost could have legitimately been a 9 times world champion if some decisions and luck had gone his way.
 
dinostar77 said:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/a-1-50-part-and-a-strategy-misstep-alonsos-lost-weekend/

French engineering at its finest. A £1.50 o-ring caused Alonso's issue on sat qualifying.

Renault/Alpine, have a history for this. Prost lost a championship or two was it with Renault over parts failure, although back then Renault refused to redesign and re-manufacter the £15 part that cost him a championship.

Prost could have legitimately been a 9 times world champion if some decisions and luck had gone his way.
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Prost is one of my all time favourite drivers.
This battles with Senna were epic and at times intensely disliked each other, so much so in 1993 Prost signed for Willams after being sacked from Ferrari in 1992, Senna also wanted to drive for Willams, but Prost had a clause in his contract banning Senna from signing.
Not sure I agree with 9 times, but he could 've had 2 or 3 more than his 4.
Suzuka 1990 was poor on Senna's part, deliberately took himself and Prost out at the first corner, thus winning the WC.
Some think the Max v Lewis battle last season was intense, Prost v Senna was 100x worse and involved lots of dirty tricks, resulting in collisions, fines and a 6 month suspension for Senna, but it was amazing racing that came to a sad end with the death of Senna.
 
SirAnderson said:
Agreed, for all we know he may get a featured slot in 2 weeks time! Fingers crossed!
Hope you have lots of handbags for us @GDaly95 :drool:

As you get your feet wet, some pointers:

@rimaldo is the only one you can really take serious in this thread and even can help sharpen up your knowledge on all things F1. He's the cafe's Brundle. Just not as young as him.

Then there's the OP of this thread, @pauldyson1uk he tries he's best to not come to Lewis' rescue ALL the time by posting all the relevant results as they come out, just don't mention Masi he who shall not be named when speaking to him and you'll be alright.

Last bonus nugget, in case you looking for likeminded and affluent individuals, the current chairmen of Hamilton Apologetics is @simonhchI agree

I see you've already locked words with some, so I'm sure you will be up to speed with who's who in no time. ;)
Welcome!
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I agree Rimaldo is the best poster in here, his knowledge is very good, posts balanced and informative posts.
I don't hide I am a Lewis fan , but I think I am equal in praise and critique of him.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Prost is one of my all time favourite drivers.
This battles with Senna were epic and at times intensely disliked each other, so much so in 1993 Prost signed for Willams after being sacked from Ferrari in 1992, Senna also wanted to drive for Willams, but Prost had a clause in his contract banning Senna from signing.
Not sure I agree with 9 times, but he could 've had 2 or 3 more than his 4.
Suzuka 1990 was poor on Senna's part, deliberately took himself and Prost out at the first corner, thus winning the WC.
Some think the Max v Lewis battle last season was intense, Prost v Senna was 100x worse and involved lots of dirty tricks, resulting in collisions, fines and a 6 month suspension for Senna, but it was amazing racing that came to a sad end with the death of Senna.
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Its either in this Beyond the Grid podcast with Prost or the one with his manager when they discuss the potential 9 times.

 
pauldyson1uk said:
I agree Rimaldo is the best poster in here, his knowledge is very good, posts balanced and informative posts.
I don't hide I am a Lewis fan , but I think I am equal in praise and critique of him.
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I actually don't know if I've ever seen rimaldo be serious, in this thread or otherwise. :lol:
Don't worry you are one of the levelled headed ones generally speaking :D
 
f1 is for gheyz wot put things up their bumbums like pushrod suspension arms and cats, except max verystappen who is da og.

I am a better rimaldo than rimaldo
 
SirAnderson said:
Agreed, for all we know he may get a featured slot in 2 weeks time! Fingers crossed!
Hope you have lots of handbags for us @GDaly95 :drool:

As you get your feet wet, some pointers:

@rimaldo is the only one you can really take serious in this thread and even can help sharpen up your knowledge on all things F1. He's the cafe's Brundle. Just not as young as him.

Then there's the OP of this thread, @pauldyson1uk he tries he's best to not come to Lewis' rescue ALL the time by posting all the relevant results as they come out, just don't mention Masi he who shall not be named when speaking to him and you'll be alright.

Last bonus nugget, in case you looking for likeminded and affluent individuals, the current chairmen of Hamilton Apologetics is @simonhch

I see you've already locked words with some, so I'm sure you will be up to speed with who's who in no time. ;)
Welcome!
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yeah. let me know if you want to know anything about f1 @GDaly95. i’m well versed in the sport. for example, after putting it off for a while as i didn’t think i was ready, i just watched the latest season of dts and i feel like i just invited my own rapist on a second date.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Prost is one of my all time favourite drivers.
This battles with Senna were epic and at times intensely disliked each other, so much so in 1993 Prost signed for Willams after being sacked from Ferrari in 1992, Senna also wanted to drive for Willams, but Prost had a clause in his contract banning Senna from signing.
Not sure I agree with 9 times, but he could 've had 2 or 3 more than his 4.
Suzuka 1990 was poor on Senna's part, deliberately took himself and Prost out at the first corner, thus winning the WC.
Some think the Max v Lewis battle last season was intense, Prost v Senna was 100x worse and involved lots of dirty tricks, resulting in collisions, fines and a 6 month suspension for Senna, but it was amazing racing that came to a sad end with the death of Senna.
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What annoyed me about that Senna horseshit documentary (which was so one sided and full of falsities it couldn’t even be described as a documentary) was that they painted Prost as evil and Senna as a saint.

Prost was sublime. I call him a diet version of what Schumacher became, but he was easily one of the top 5 drivers of all time.
 
mariachi-19 said:
What annoyed me about that Senna horseshit documentary (which was so one sided and full of falsities it couldn’t even be described as a documentary) was that they painted Prost as evil and Senna as a saint.

Prost was sublime. I call him a diet version of what Schumacher became, but he was easily one of the top 5 drivers of all time.
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I though Senna is brilliant. but agreed very one sided, Prost was given some credit at the end.
Prost was no saint either. I would say the Prost v Senna era was the best ever in F1.
I would put Senna ahead of Prost.
Top 4 for me, behind, Lewis , Sch and Senna
 
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