F1 2022 Season

Super race, I'm really impressed with Leclerc again.

My only concern is wasn't max around 1.7 seconds away under the opening of the VSC and when it ended he's just 1 second? That's a huge gain from being way off DRS to then allowing him to reel Leclerc in. You could say it was going to happen anyway but Max got past him at 47 of 50. If something dodgy did happen under the VSC, Leclerc may have held on to lap 50 if the gap was properly maintained.
 
I think the VSC delta thing is monitored automatically, it would’ve been flagged straight away. max at one point had dropped 4 seconds behind. Maybe he played it smart. Used all his Delta quota to speed up and warm tires for when he thought VSC would be ending. Maybe Charles got the green light at a place where he wasn’t able to get to racing speed right away.

I don’t really like VSC. At least the way it’s implemented right now.
 
When Hamilton wins, it's because of his superior driving skills.
Yet when he finishes down the order it's because of his car.
 
dinostar77 said:
Carlos Sainz needs to win a GP either in Australia or imola otherwise he really is going to be the support cast for leclerc. Another weekend and he is nowhere near the battle between max and leclerc.
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I was thinking that too. I've always thought of them as a pretty even, 1a and 1b kind of tandem but it just seems that Leclerc is consistently faster now and Sainz will end up being a trusty nr.2 for him.
 
Mr Anderson said:
Was a good battle throughout! Max on the radio though, comes across as the ultimate whingebag. Questions everything when he should really just concentrate on his racing.
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Even his team had to keep reminding him to keep his head down and concentrate.
 
Champ said:
When Hamilton wins, it's because of his superior driving skills.
Yet when he finishes down the order it's because of his car.
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So you believe that the Mercedes is currently a race winning car???
And where was Leclerc last year. Answer. He was in a poor car
 
redshaw said:
Super race, I'm really impressed with Leclerc again.

My only concern is wasn't max around 1.7 seconds away under the opening of the VSC and when it ended he's just 1 second? That's a huge gain from being way off DRS to then allowing him to reel Leclerc in. You could say it was going to happen anyway but Max got past him at 47 of 50. If something dodgy did happen under the VSC, Leclerc may have held on to lap 50 if the gap was properly maintained.
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If max caught up leclerc during VSC it means leclerc fecked up and not max.
 
rpitroda said:
Am I right in saying the straight line speed advantage was due to car set up? (Between Max and Charles)

If so, wonder why Ferrari set up this way? I presume because analytics concluded it but still very odd when you consider it’s not just about fastest lap time but also about having pace in the right parts of the track when it comes to the race.

Another very exciting race though. Shame about some of the retirements, especially Alonso who was on fire.

This Max/Charles battle is going to be very exciting this season. But as much as it’s about the drivers, it’s also in large parts down to all the engineers back in the factory rolling out updates quickly and effectively to keep up as the season goes on - which is much more of a factor than it’s been in the last few years given the regulation changes.
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Difficult to know which engine has the best power, but it's clear the Honda/Ferrari engines are doing better than Mercedes right now.

Red Bull's cars seem to be happier running at lower downforce levels which is the most important thing for top speeds. Leclerc said himself after the race they chose to go for a higher downforce setup, which he admitted was maybe not quite the right way to go.

The idea behind it is you can look after your tyres better, they heat up faster and can make you faster through the twisty 2nd sector. If you can build up a big enough gap then they can't get DRS down the straight.

It was working fine up until the VSC point, then for whatever reason Max was able to get within the 1 second mark. With the new regulations the cars are clearly able to stick closer than before and maintain the DRS. In previous years after 3/4 laps he would have had to back off.

It was nice seeing the interview on sky after the race with Magnussen, Norris and Ocon. They were beaming about the new cars and Ocon said it was like driving go karts which is a great sign.
 
I know almost nothing about F1. So can anyone tell me why Lewis Hamilton is performing so poorly this season? What has changed this season regarding his car?
 
gorky_utd said:
I know almost nothing about F1. So can anyone tell me why Lewis Hamilton is performing so poorly this season? What has changed this season regarding his car?
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Everyone's car is brand new this year, due to an entirely new set of rules. Ferrari and Red Bull have nailed the new rules pretty well, whereas Mercedes haven't done so well - the engine is a bit underpowered, the car struggles with porpoising (basically bouncing), and Lewis tried out an out-there setup for qualification this weekend, which made the car "undriveable" in his words.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
You really dont like him do you.
Even when he does nothing to moan at, you make something up :rolleyes:
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I've got the more rabid anti-Hamilton posters on ignore, and I recommend it, it makes this thread a much better read - mostly sensible discussions and cuts out a lot of the childish sniping.
 
gorky_utd said:
I know almost nothing about F1. So can anyone tell me why Lewis Hamilton is performing so poorly this season? What has changed this season regarding his car?
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bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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The Hilton said:
Everyone's car is brand new this year, due to an entirely new set of rules. Ferrari and Red Bull have nailed the new rules pretty well, whereas Mercedes haven't done so well - the engine is a bit underpowered, the car struggles with porpoising (basically bouncing), and Lewis tried out an out-there setup for qualification this weekend, which made the car "undriveable" in his words.
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Ok. Thanks for the reply.
rimaldo said:
bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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:confused:
 
rimaldo said:
bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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You forgot the part about an the son of a prominant ex facist dressing up as a nazi for orgies… oh wait, that actually happened
 
rimaldo said:
bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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:lol::lol::lol:

I genuinely burst out laughing at this. Excellent!
 
The Hilton said:
I've got the more rabid anti-Hamilton posters on ignore, and I recommend it, it makes this thread a much better read - mostly sensible discussions and cuts out a lot of the childish sniping.
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I dont like to block, I would rather see what they are posting and most of the time laugh to my self.
What I dont get more on Facebook than here, is Max and Leclerc are now in the best cars that is clear to see , but it's down to them has drivers not the car , but when Lewis was winning it was all down to the car and he was lucky anybody could win in that car
Maybe I am being too simplistic, but is F1 not about the best drivers , having the best cars, you have to have both to win titles.
Max and Lewis last season had the best cars and we had a good fight, where was Leclerc ?
This season Max and Leclerc have the best cars, Lewis is nowhere, no point having a WC driver if you give him a crap car.
I dont dislike Max, he is a WC driver, I like Leclerc very good driver, just not quite up to Max.
Lewis is still a WC driver and when Mercedes sort the car out, he will be challenging, the question is will they do it to be in with a chance this year.
 
rimaldo said:
bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Post of the thread so far
 
rimaldo said:
bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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That bottom line really got me :lol:
 
rimaldo said:
bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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:lol:
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I dont like to block, I would rather see what they are posting and most of the time laugh to my self.
What I dont get more on Facebook than here, is Max and Leclerc are now in the best cars that is clear to see , but it's down to them has drivers not the car , but when Lewis was winning it was all down to the car and he was lucky anybody could win in that car
Maybe I am being too simplistic, but is F1 not about the best drivers , having the best cars, you have to have both to win titles.
Max and Lewis last season had the best cars and we had a good fight, where was Leclerc ?
This season Max and Leclerc have the best cars, Lewis is nowhere, no point having a WC driver if you give him a crap car.
I dont dislike Max, he is a WC driver, I like Leclerc very good driver, just not quite up to Max.
Lewis is still a WC driver and when Mercedes sort the car out, he will be challenging, the question is will they do it to be in with a chance this year.
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The problem is that you're expecting people with an irrational hatred of Hamilton to be rational when posting about him. If you laugh to yourself most of the time but then still bite, you give the trolls what they want.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I dont like to block, I would rather see what they are posting and most of the time laugh to my self.
What I dont get more on Facebook than here, is Max and Leclerc are now in the best cars that is clear to see , but it's down to them has drivers not the car , but when Lewis was winning it was all down to the car and he was lucky anybody could win in that car
Maybe I am being too simplistic, but is F1 not about the best drivers , having the best cars, you have to have both to win titles.
Max and Lewis last season had the best cars and we had a good fight, where was Leclerc ?
This season Max and Leclerc have the best cars, Lewis is nowhere, no point having a WC driver if you give him a crap car.
I dont dislike Max, he is a WC driver, I like Leclerc very good driver, just not quite up to Max.
Lewis is still a WC driver and when Mercedes sort the car out, he will be challenging, the question is will they do it to be in with a chance this year.
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Most top quality drivers will win the title if they're in the best car, it's just how it is. If Hamilton wasn't in the Mercedes of recent years, Rosberg might be a 6x world champ himself.

Some drivers like Leclerc have been held back by an average car, the likes of Norris also in a similar bracket. Only once they're given a chance in a top quality car will they show if they have it.

If Max was still in the Alphatauri for instance, would he be getting better results than Gasly? it's hard to say. You're only as good as your car in f1.
 
Remember how cut throat Red Bull were with their drivers. I thought Buemi was a good driver (went onto having a good career) but he was let go after a few mistakes. Max the child prodigy was given time. You need to know the right people in this sport too. There are good drivers up and down the grid.
 
rimaldo said:
bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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:lol:
 
In regards to the Mercedes powertrain. Its confusing as apparently lewis was only 2kph slower on the main straight than max was and max was supposedly 10kph quicker on that main straight than leclerc, due to ferrari running more wing.

However lewis said that the Haas of Kmag was unbelievably quick when he re-took his position from lewis down the main straight with drs.

So its difficult to get a true picture. It really could be that the Mercedes powertrain cars are struggling with porposing and therefore its a coincidence that they are down in the grid order.

Or their engines arent as powerful. Hard to tell. Wont get a true picture until porposing is resolved for the Mercedes powertrain teams.
 
dinostar77 said:
In regards to the Mercedes powertrain. Its confusing as apparently lewis was only 2kph slower on the main straight than max was and max was supposedly 10kph quicker on that main straight than leclerc, due to ferrari running more wing.

However lewis said that the Haas of Kmag was unbelievably quick when he re-took his position from lewis down the main straight with drs.

So its difficult to get a true picture. It really could be that the Mercedes powertrain cars are struggling with porposing and therefore its a coincidence that they are down in the grid order.

Or their engines arent as powerful. Hard to tell. Wont get a true picture until porposing is resolved for the Mercedes powertrain teams.
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It’s impossible to tell because it is all linked.

To try and control the bouncing, they must make alterations which are inconsistent with the most “effective” way to run their car. Other teams have found a way of doing this without compromising performance. Mercedes haven’t. Which means they might be more draggy and in turn more slower.

It seems easy enough because other teams have fixed it but it’s really not. Some of these cars are designed fundamentally differently and so perhaps that fix doesn’t work on the Mercedes’. Perhaps the Mercedes’ engine is packed with weight distribution in a way that pronounces the porpoising. It could really be anything. And we can speculate but we just won’t know.
 
WeePat said:
He was whining about Leclerc doing that to him later on. Utterly shameless this guy :lol:
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He closed up in the first sector after the virtual safety car was called off. He played it smart. He dropped off Leclerec by 3-4 seconds and picked up the pace to carry more power into the first corner, he is just about 1.4 secs behind at the DRS detection zone but is literally at le clercs diffuser in the end of that straight.

Don't think that was unfair at all, just a better use of his VSC pace.
 
dinostar77 said:
In regards to the Mercedes powertrain. Its confusing as apparently lewis was only 2kph slower on the main straight than max was and max was supposedly 10kph quicker on that main straight than leclerc, due to ferrari running more wing.

However lewis said that the Haas of Kmag was unbelievably quick when he re-took his position from lewis down the main straight with drs.

So its difficult to get a true picture. It really could be that the Mercedes powertrain cars are struggling with porposing and therefore its a coincidence that they are down in the grid order.

Or their engines arent as powerful. Hard to tell. Wont get a true picture until porposing is resolved for the Mercedes powertrain teams.
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Was Lewis using DRS and tucked up right behind a car when that speed was recorded? Top speed in a race doesn’t always paint a true picture. It’s the one in qualifying that matters (except for when a team mate gives a toe)
The early evidence points to Merc engine being down on Ferrari, redbull and on par with Renault
 
hobbers said:
Because the Ferrari had slightly better race pace on high and medium fuel, and yet a Red Bull won the race…
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Not really, Perez was clearly in the lead with high and medium fuel and he was maintaining a fixed lead with Le Clerc. Also, Max was maintaining a healthy gap to Sainz.

Leclerc had good pace throughout the race and was driving well, but doesn't wipe away the fact that he was lucky to get the race lead. Checo seemed to have been so deflated with the VSC/SC that he never got back to his earlier pace.
 
rpitroda said:
It’s impossible to tell because it is all linked.

To try and control the bouncing, they must make alterations which are inconsistent with the most “effective” way to run their car. Other teams have found a way of doing this without compromising performance. Mercedes haven’t. Which means they might be more draggy and in turn more slower.

It seems easy enough because other teams have fixed it but it’s really not. Some of these cars are designed fundamentally differently and so perhaps that fix doesn’t work on the Mercedes’. Perhaps the Mercedes’ engine is packed with weight distribution in a way that pronounces the porpoising. It could really be anything. And we can speculate but we just won’t know.
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With Mercedes it's all aero related, and still with the floor. They mentioned this back in the final testing in Bahrain and they've made no changes so difficult to see, it's just this latest circuit is all speed and made the problems even more visible.

The more I watch the cars, the more I think the Mercedes powered cars are a combination of aero and weight issues. Alfa are the only team that is running ballast on the car (make into that what you will).
 
rimaldo said:
bernie ecclestones (grandfather of f1) used to ensure that hamilton always won races and championships as this helped to cover up racist things he was responsible for in his past (one of his grandchildren was hitler.) he would often be heard to say “how can i be racist? i fix things so an untalented black driver wins all the time in the fastest car.”

then he got so old and so racist that he sold his f1 company to someone else who isn’t that bothered about hamilton winning all the time. so the mercedes car is slow now without all the outside interference and hamilton is being shown up for being really slow, even compared to a teammate whose face was clearly made in a factory.

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Ronaldo on fire haha


Edit : Rimaldo , stupid auto correct
 
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