What are you basing that on? They are giving their honest opinion of the state of the club. I don't see them asking for anything in return.
Evra | (Soon to be Ex-)Pundit Thread | Patman Watch
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Love Evra. He may be bonkers and not particularly media savvy but love his honest fandom.
I love the honesty. Don't care if half of what he says is bonkers. At least he calls it how he sees it.
Who the feck are you to tell them what they can or can't say? They don't want anything different to what we want - to see United back where we belong. Why shouldn't they have an opinion on a club which they dedicated a huge part of their life too as opposed to the men currently running our club who we owe feck all to?
What the hell are you on about? So players that spent years of success with the club aren't allowed to have strong opinions about current affairs? You can tell by the way they talk they're fans of the club. They're no different than any on here in terms of loving the club. They're just as disappointed as any of us. This idea of leeches is disrespectful and frankly nonsense.
You are too naive if you think they are oh so concerned about United success. A fat cheque and a lucrative position is all they are after. They won't think twice even if Liverpool or City offer them that.
I disagree. I think the reason they, and other pundits like Scholes are so critical of United is precisely because they love the club so much. Who is more negative about a club than its own fans? Just look around this place.
So in order for Evra to worm his way into a job at United, he went online and shared a video criticising the owners?
The difference between us fans and all these ex players is, you are not looking to get any financial benefit from the club. We adore the club whole heartedly. Since Ole's appointment, every random ex united player think he has a shout at united job, be it sporting director, director of transfers or replacing Ole himself. Their messages on social media and during punditry are always geared towards positioning themselves as most suitable person for united job. Evra and Neville in particular give these vibes.
He was after a job since long... may be Woodward didn't give him much consideration and he is just frustrated.So in order for Evra to worm his way into a job at United, he went online and shared a video criticising the owners?
I haven’t got those vibes from Evra or Neville. Didn’t Evra even say he was offered a role but turned it down?
I would hope we just don't send a lawyer alone to speak to any player and parent, dealing with the agent fine, but if the player is involved a football person must be present.
I wonder how Haaland snr got the impression the club we're not entirely interested as much as Ole was.
I wonder how Klopp got the impression we were only thinking about money
Could Neville even get a job with us considering he owns another FL club?
Either way he never strikes me as someone that wants to work for us
... Seems pretty content with all his other stuff.
Well maybe he should be our Director of Football, because he can’t coach.
He's on the vaccine.So Chairman Xi made the virus to kill off the old people in China? Like, you know, 67 year old Chairman Xi? Makes sense!
What makes you think that Haaland Sr and Klopp are being honest? Why did they reject the other clubs that pursued them? And if the manager shows that he really wants you why are you talking about how much none football people seemed to be interested in a player?
What a weird post. I would like to think the ex United players would make better football decisions than anything Woodward has shown in his 8 years in charge.
These people worked under an efficient operation under Gill and Fergie, they clearly see what is going wrong at the club now. Their opinion carry more substance than anything you will ever say on the internet in regards to Manchester United
You definitely don't hate Woodward because you are defending him against club legends. I think you are part of the problem. You seem embarrassed that the clubs incompetence is being exposed. It can only be a good thing.
Shame on all those ex pros who keep quiet so that people look at them as top reds.
The more we hear from Neville, Evra and co, the more chance we have of genuine fans uniting and making a stand whenever the stadiums are open.
This group of penny pinching administrators have embarrased the club enough and must be exposed. Extending contracts for injury prone Jones and Rojo, giving ridiculous wages to anyone who demands them, and miserably failing in the transfer market, these people are indefensible and no self respecting fan must defend them.
This is hilarious.They’re just fans ffs. If you think they don’t care, you need to buck up your thoughts. Their real words are borne out a passion for United which was built from years of playing for us.
Due to the fact that its not only them who have said those types of things. If it was only them then fine, but it hasn't been. Including Klopp, there was a story last summer too with another agent.
If multiple sources are saying similar things I tend to think there must be an element of truth.
Spot on
Absolute bollocks
We need more ex players to speak out. They're our voice, because they're the only ones that get heard and they love the club every bit as much as we do.
This was the summer we were meant to finally get back into the running but we're going to end up even further away. This is the most obvious sign that Glazers/Woodward are not aligned with those that love this club. There are zero excuses this time.
At the end of the day this isn't their club, it's ours. We were here before them and will be there after them. We have helped build it up into what it is. They should answer to us, they're taking the absolute piss out of us and something needs to be done. Finally it feels like breaking point though. It will take something big from us to put them in their place or encourage them to feck off.
This was the summer we were meant to finally get back into the running but we're going to end up even further away. This is the most obvious sign that Glazers/Woodward are not aligned with those that love this club. There are zero excuses this time.
At the end of the day this isn't their club, it's ours. We were here before them and will be there after them. We have helped build it up into what it is. They should answer to us, they're taking the absolute piss out of us and something needs to be done. Finally it feels like breaking point though. It will take something big from us to put them in their place or encourage them to feck off.
Other agents have said that United are a mess and that it's difficult to deal with them, Raiola is the only one that actually said it and the others are quoted allegedly saying it, I tend to believe that. But as far as I can remember none said what you wrote about Haaland and Klopp, in both cases there is no sense to it and they are in my opinion both cheap shots based on Klopp managing Liverpool and Haaland being upset about what seemed to be a brief from United about Raiola and the fathers demands.
Not everything he said was right but I'm happy when anyone with a profile puts some pressure on Ed and the Glazers.
An agent said last summer that they had a player talk to Judge (who didn't even know how many caps the player had) and the player also went to Spurs and the difference was light and day. Yes, these are all alleged but like I keep saying, there is far too much smoke.
I don't see what reason Klopp has to lie, given what he said tallies with the messages the club were putting out at the time, Infact I don't think Klopp will lie its common knowledge he spoke to the club about taking over and said no. Also, LVG said similar things (yes he is likely bitter) but again there is far too much smoke here.
Anyway, I see what you are saying, things are alleged, some people might be disgruntled. What I am saying is there have been too many instances of people saying similar things. I doubt they all have some axe to grind against United.
What is clear as day is that we have serious issues in recruitment and have done for some years
So in order for Evra to worm his way into a job at United, he went online and shared a video criticising the owners?
Did you watch the video?
He said nothing but praise for the Owners & called out the people doing the negotiations, Judge and Woodward
But Judge isn't supposed to be the one knowing how many caps a player has, maybe Ole should but even then I wouldn't hold it against him. What you want is for Ole to talk to the player, that he explains why he wants him and what he expects for the future. In all of this what bothers me the most is that we basically have people going to the press and demonstrating that they are superficial and childish and surprisingly the fanbase support that type of nonsense from agents, parents and rival managers.
I will say it again, if the manager has contacted you, which seems to be the norm since Ole has been appointed, then the next step is going to be with suits, the lawyers and HR guys. That's perfectly normal, anything else would make no sense and players should worry if a none specialist talk with them about legal subjects, that they will have to sign.
As for Klopp he talked to multiple clubs, one of them is supposed to be Real Madrid he rejected everyone, allegedly because they were all too commerical. So that's an other thing that United fan should move on from because the lad joined a club that tries to trademark everything loosely related to Liverpool.
Oh please. And you're basing this on what exactly? You think they're not concerned about Uniteds success? Your reasoning is that they're angling for jobs. How is what any of what Rio or Evra have said going to get them on the right side of Ed to get said jobs? They've criticised him. You're not naive, you're actually just not very intelligent. But you're one of these that thinks a cynical answer is an insightful one.
Totally agree.
Two problems. First the people currently in charge have all worked with Gill and Fergie, unlike the ex players that you mention they have actually worked in the back office with them while ex footballers know nothing about managing a PL club, more often than not they don't even know how to coach a team which is the one thing they have actually and extensively seen during their careers at the club.
Secondly whether ex players can make good football decisions depends entirely on those particular players, there is no osmosis going on here. People tend to use Bayern as an example but Bayern groomed these ex players, they didn't become competent just by being on the training pitch, hundreds or thousands of meters from executives that they rarely see when the latters are doing executives tasks.
Similarly being coached by SAF doesn't mean that you will have a special ability for coaching, which is obvious when you look at the managing careers of United players.
I like Evra's honest opinions. Talk of him being sacked are ridiculous, especially compared to what Carragher got away with.
You don't live in reality.
Well done Paddy!! The more our ex players/Legends come out criticising Woodward and the Glazers the better as far as I’m concerned. Long overdue, these cnuts have been getting away with destroying this club for far too long now.
This is what the media needs to hear. The guy is a pure business man. He hasnt a scooby doo about football and an absolute terrible CEO of a football club. He has to be one naive cnut to believe that our downturn that has coincided with his appointment isn't his fault
There's a difference between applying critical thinking towards the news (as every news outlet has their own agenda, big or small) and voicing conspiracy theories about vaccinations, 5G etc. If you don't see the difference between this and the coverage of Israeli-Palestinian conflict...
Another weird post where you are clearly explaining a different topic to the one under discussion.
The incompetence by Woodward and Manchester United is openly being discussed by the media here and abroad I remember -Julien Laurens was talking about it just a few days ago. Every newspaper, radio station is questioning the clubs competence in the transfer market.
And when ex United players add their voice to it , you write on an internet forum that they are not qualified to criticize because they have not managed a football club before.
If it is your opinion that Woodward and his cronies are doing a good job, you are in a minority for sure.
Like I said the said ex players have worked in those surroundings and recognise what a well run football clubs looks like. I would say they have the right to question if those standards have dropped and most of our clued up fan base would side with their opinion.
Once we get a United fan base against this glaring incompetence at Old Trafford, there is a chance we could affect change.
The one the agent spoke about didnt meet Ole by the way and wasnt shown around the club either. They went to the clubs London office
What I am saying is that the club needs to consider that Ole or other football people need to be involved alot more and not leave players with people who dont know football.
At the end of the say Ajax CEO knows football so does Bayern etc. I wont go into too much detail. I fully underatand we need lawyers to handle deals, my point is football people need to be involved at every point as thats what we are competing with.
How do you end up with Sanchez on a crazy contract that dirupts the dressing room? I would argue that football people were not involved enough in the financial aspect of that deal.
How is that a weird post or a different topic? You said that you think ex United players would make better football decisions than Woodward, why? Being an ex united player doesn't make you competent, it doesn't give you more incite about how a club is or should be managed in the back office, so why would you think that? The point that you made doesn't even work for coaching, so why would it work for executive jobs?
And no it's not my opinion that Woodward is doing a good job but it doesn't mean that ex-players would make a better one, we have enough proof of that in Football, at executive and coaching level.