Any chance that they do a Juve and have the punishment rescinded/changed? I believe that happened to Juve last season and other teams were angry because it messed up the table several times.
Everton deducted 10 points for PSR breach (reduced to 6) | Deducted further 2 points for second breach
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Actually it’s a good time for them to get point deduction … the relegation team are actually worse and they will survive this easily
So will City be deducted 50 points? I'm assuming proportionality plays a role here, or do we just blame Everton and say the problem has been dealt with?
It.. is. There are delay tactics that lawyers deploy. Even shit inexpensive ones.
But lawyers can only obstruct for so long. The amount of evidence being submitted is finite. And it's not like the PL is scrimping for funds either! They can organize a whip around at the 3̶ 19 aggrieved clubs and hire their own lawyers.
I don't know who the burden of proof is on in this proceeding. Whether it's City or the PL, if the PL brings rock solid evidence that City has violated some rules, do you think that given enough lawyers the PL will go, "well yes we have a case here but we're just fatigued so alright, you win"... If that's the case then no rich corporation or group should ever be found guilty of anything.
Plus, any club or organization being accused of something this serious, deserves a robust and solid defense, so that if found guilty, their guilt is clear.
Is this written anywhere?
Probably not, they are still odds on with the bookmakers to avoid relegation.
Yes, this was essentially what I was referring to: the FA, like other institutions e.g. the BBC, may have a certain degree of 'formal' independence, but its essentially subservient to the government in a way that goes beyond the special or undeclared interests of individual people on respective governing committees, and which is reflected in decisions each body takes once their ramifications reach a certain level or scale of political importance....
In Chelsea's case their current administration found the wrongdoing in the bookkeeping from the Abramovich era and they reported it to the FA. I imagine that will affect sentencing. For them it wouldn't matter that much to get a point deduction this year.
Money ruined the beautiful game a long time ago but when you have little old Everton being slapped with a 10 point deduction for spending a few million more than they were supposed to it really does make you wonder how City and Chelsea get away with it. City won a treble last year and nobody even took notice because it was so riddled with corruption. How anybody can play, work or support a club like that with a clear conscience is beyond me.
This is conspiracy speak honestly
How do the PL justify City being guilty of the charges, but getting a less punishment than City?
And the PL can't influence the verdict, it's been referred to an independent panel.
City haven't gotten away with it. The Everton case was a simple allegation and resolved quickly. With City they are having to unpick 15 years of the biggest cheating scandal in sports history.
Yes its in the report.
sell all the players and stadium disband the club and give the money to charity
Oh I agree but it just shows sponsors aren't that fussed as long as the issue is not political - if it makes commercial sense they will do it.
Thank you!
Juve would be a fraction of City though. What wold fair value sponsor dead be for a non league club?
Which is arguably still excessive.
They should not be punished this year - they should have their titles during the cheating years taken from them. That way the current owners would not be punished, justice would be done regarding titles won in an unfair manner! Its time to treat these monsters exactly for what they are, a cancer to english football!
Don't get me wrong, the rules are stupid (the strongest word I can use on here), but the calculation makes sense from a deterrence POV. It's not supposed to make sense. It's supposed to scare clubs away from that red line.
Doesn't really matter given the core sponsors remain gov linked. There was an article on here about their cheating a while back which said the way the sponsors are structured means City can continuously renegotiate how much the deal is worth and it's completely private. The PL can ask them for details but they just don't share them.
Just as well - the mind boggles thinking about how caftards would take responsibility for the Glazers!!
Ffs.Of course but it was an unprecedented time where multiple shit things piled up at once
- COVID losses
- Loss of stadium naming rights issues due to Russian - Ukraine war
- Gylfi being suspended and the loss of his value and then him not being charged of anything and being set to go about his business
- possible loss of further value to players like Richy because of the cloud of all the above issues regarding FFP
Now on that second point you can argue that it is just doing dodgy sponsorship shite that City have been doing and now Chelsea are so we should be getting the book thrown at us anyway but it does feel a wee bit like we are the unlucky ones to have been first in the firing line for any rules broken.
I've also read in some articles that the PL has stated that we didn't break rules to gain a sporting advantage so how is a points deduction fair in that regard!?
Good year to take the penalty. Sheffield, Burnley and Luton are pretty awful compared to the more established Prem teams. Bournemouth could go either way too. Everton are not even bottom of the table with the penalty, just keep playing like they have been and they'll be well clear of relegation at the end of the season.
Isn’t that one of their charges though?
City and Chelski ??
You guys suspended him, not the PL! That loss on y'all
Otherwise I agree, and I think the appeal may/should take those extenuating factors into consideration
In the report it states the FA suspended him.
Yes some of the 115 are to do with this. Thing is it will be hard to prove as they’ve continuously done well, they can argue it’s ‘fair’ they kept increasing the value of the deal as their brand kept growing. Obviously no normal company does this but they own the sponsor so…
Not sure that's strictly true, United's deal with Adidas had the reverse built in, the $$ went down if they failed CL qualification a successive number of times, I can easily see there being incentives being built in based on how well they do, it's a common thing in many other areas of business
it sets a hell of a precedent!
Barely any clubs are squeaky clean and the fact the club has been run by morons who have driven it into the ground and now dragged the club through the mud, I feel sorry for them.
I have never heard of the ability to increase within the same deal. There’s been lots reported of ‘miss out on the CL for two years and lose money’ etc. but, as far as I know, you would have to renegotiate the sponsor agreement for it to increase (and the PL would then have to clear it). Technically Citu are renegotiating the agreements but just in an open ended agreement.
Don't think that's correct.
The decision lays out that was the PL's proposed formula:
But then rejects using that (or any) formula:
Plus your maths doesn't really hang together. If it was 1 point for every excess £5m then £19.7m would be worth 3 points, not 4. Being close to £20m isn't the same as being £20m and you can't really round figures up to hit a higher punishment threshold.
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Initially i was thinking of the injustice of this in relation to City but on reflection it has to be seen as ominous for City. If a pro-rata punishment is awarded to City then it would have to be relegation. Anything else will just be a farce and a forever cloud over the Premier League and City as a club.
I think Everton's form has picked up as they have got into the season an they will avoid relegation.
I think Everton's form has picked up as they have got into the season an they will avoid relegation.
None of us are party to the details of sponsorship agreements so we can't say for definite either way, but such incentive type agreements are commonplace in business so it's not unrealistic to say that they may exist in sponsorship deals
City being deducted 50 points probably still wouldn't relegate them TBH!
I still think Everton will stay up. They’re not that far behind and not even bottom of the table.