Good get them punished, it makes it all the more unlikely that City won't be flushed down the plug hole when the time comes.
Everton deducted 10 points for PSR breach (reduced to 6) | Deducted further 2 points for second breach
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A 10 point deduction would relegate Forest which would be really unfair on Nuno Espirito Santo considering he has done nothing wrong.
Onana and Branthwaite HERE WE GO in the summer ?
How is that relevant?
Good. At the same time the perfect opportunity to relegate 5 teams. Flush down all the dross and move to 18 team league.
I don't understand how we would be guilty in this 3 year cycle if the PL has been monitoring us for a while now.
I fully expect us to get some form of punishment but the circumstances of the so-called “Profit and sustainability“ rule is a farce. Essentially, we could have sold Johnson for £30m to Brentford at the start of the window and be in compliance or as we did, sell at the end of the window for £47m which is adjudged to be after the deadline. Some how this is promoting sustainability!! Nuts. We are already getting penalised for being a newly promoted club giving us significantly less wiggle room in terms of permissible losses.
That being said, we are using the “Everton defence“ of, we kept the FA fully informed of what we were doing re Johnson and why so yes, we’ll get a penalty. feck it, we’ll just have to win some more kicky ball matches.
That being said, we are using the “Everton defence“ of, we kept the FA fully informed of what we were doing re Johnson and why so yes, we’ll get a penalty. feck it, we’ll just have to win some more kicky ball matches.
Dyche has done nothing wrong at Everton. No manager current or past, or anyone who is employed by the club from players to coaches, gardeners to cleaners did anything wrong apart from those who handle the finances.
If Chelsea, Wolves and City aren't punished after this, I'd be rioting at Forest and Everton. I'm not hugely surprised - genuinely, the sustainability rules whole raison d'etre is to protect clubs like Forest and stop them doing a Leeds/Portsmouth - but to allow other clubs to flout the rules at the same time is what feels like the biggest kick in the teeth.
Imagine Forest used that as their mitigating circumstances!
Nope - that would a silly and quite childish way of thinking!
But Nuno is innocent!
They're not going to step in to stop you spending beyond your means though are they, just tell you when you have.
The rules are stupid.
That's why we keep selling academy players. It's a way of circumventing them pretty much.
I do think that we have both been badly run. I said it before but it's shite management of a club to get into a state where you need to enter a summer and have to buy 20ish players. That's all on Forest, same as it being shite management of a club from us that we were in a position handing 100k contracts to players that were in no way deserving of them at all. I do however think that it's odd that in both cases each club has been in communication with the PL/FA about financial and transfer activity which makes it all a little odd.
Anyway, I feel like our excuses and mitigation are fairly valid (albeit we shouldn't have got into the state where we ened to make excuses).. re- covid, new stadium, foreign war etc. that have directly impacted the club. Forest have just come in and spunked money up the wall with no real excuse during that period.
They should be, as that was the whole point of them monitoring our transfer activity for the last few windows. We wouldn't have been able to make signings without their say so. The fact that we have makes it all a bit odd unless either us or them are telling porkies and I don't have faith in the board of my club or the PL/FA so who knows what to believe.
Some great points raised here…I too feel sorry for Nuno! he hasn’t broken any FFP laws!
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We came up with a 1st team squad of (iir) 7 players. Stupid Forest for buying loads of players! Should we have thrown the last few games to avoid promotion?
I just said that it's bad management of a club to get into a state where you are like that. Unless you think it's good management to reach a point where you only have 7 first team players?
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if everton are found guilty once more, is it time to consider booting them out of the league? you’ve got clubs like city who had to sell their very souls to survive. teams like city who had to leave any shred of dignity behind and beg for money from brutal regimes and states to get by in these tough times. and then you’ve got clubs like everton, spending money like it’s going out of fashion, flouting rules and acting like they’re above any kind of recrimination. i wouldn’t be surprised to see proper clubs like city and newcastle walking away from the game, if clubs like everton are allowed to get away with this.
It's really not, over time selling an academy player the same effect on FFP as selling any other player.
How many points did they fine them for paying £50m for Sigurdsson?
This makes it a bit of a farce. Once the season has finished, any points deductions must be for the following season.
"The Athletic revealed that the league have identified May 24 as a backstop date for any appeal which raises the prospect of clubs completing their league season on May 19 while not knowing their final league position or even what division they may be playing in for the following campaign."
"The Athletic revealed that the league have identified May 24 as a backstop date for any appeal which raises the prospect of clubs completing their league season on May 19 while not knowing their final league position or even what division they may be playing in for the following campaign."
Welcome to life in the Championship. You have use the 5 loans to get anywhere close promotion. Add you that, should we have told Grabban he wasn’t allowed to retire or Sambas Mrs she can't go back to France? We had a tight squad even for the Champ something like 16 player. Take out five loans, 2 who wanted to leave for personal reasons and a retirement. We would have had to spend even if we hadn’t gone up. So no it wasn’t bad management in anyway, it’s the reality of FFP inthe champ and having to compete with parachute payment clubs.
There shouldn't be points deductions during seasons, at least in regards to something like this due to the mental impact it can have on players and clubs.
I don't really think you'll win me over with any argument that says that what Forest had to do is anything other than bad club management to get into the state that you were when you got promoted. It was a fantastic achievement but no club should get into the realm where they have only 7 first team players unless you're in non-league. I'd make sure that if there were players retiring or mitigating circumstances regarding some players I had a decent enough squad size to mean that it isn't as much of a hit. In the age of FFP it's absolute madness to get into that mess as if you then have to spend spend spend in a short time frame you are fecked as we have seen.
Meanwhile in Ashton New Road...
Without this dragging on on what is off topic - Neither Grabs nor Samba let the club no they wanted to leave until after the season was done. We also made serious efforts to resign 3 of the loans. Other than that, we had a handful of academy / young players that would have been fine in the Champ but were never going to cope in the Prem. Unless you are intimately aware of the minutiae of a clubs business it’s too easy to criticise
Officially charged again.
Forest also charged.
Forest also charged.
I think it’s only fair that the points deducted from Everton and Forest get given to City - the model of sustainability and integrity in professional sport….
and Man City go marching on on on.
Apparently our arguments basically boil down to stadium loans. We have notoriously cut down our spending and have sold quite high in recent years (Richy, Gordon, Iwobi etc.)
Don’t give City any ideas!
Your monthly reminder that the rules as they exist are rubbish and should be replaced
Probably just the league trying to keep the relegation battle interesting because the newly promoted clubs are piss poor.
Breach of sustainability?? Were they not green enough with their carbon emissions?
They have something in common with a lot of Man Utd's players then
Stadium loans shouldn't be an issue though as Infrastructure spend doesn't count towards breaching the rules?
It's ok I'm sure he'll be able to get out of his contract with a healthy pay off to boot.