Then it's our job to get out there and beat them. It's nothing new- since Sir Alex left every team in the premier league are 'up for it' as they (rightly) always believe they have a decent chance of a result. The same teams, and fan bases, look at City and Liverpool over the last few years and think damage limitation.
Everton deducted 10 points for PSR breach (reduced to 6) | Deducted further 2 points for second breach
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35 points total will do it, in a normal year. And this isn't a normal year. Luton at 17th is on pace for 19 points.
I can't see how there can be a compromise, this whole debacle has far reaching effects outside the EPL, never mind inside it, not only does it affect the titles, it affects the relegation of clubs during those seasons.
Would all those managers have gone to City and Chelsea if they hadn't had the money.
10 points deduction per season seems light when you consider that the money was spent on buying players they would not have been able to afford, City were broke and penniless before Mansour came on the scene.
Chelsea too were a spent force, and languishing mid table before the Roman years.
I'm 66, and I don't think in all honesty this will be settled in my lifetime!
Would all those managers have gone to City and Chelsea if they hadn't had the money.
10 points deduction per season seems light when you consider that the money was spent on buying players they would not have been able to afford, City were broke and penniless before Mansour came on the scene.
Chelsea too were a spent force, and languishing mid table before the Roman years.
I'm 66, and I don't think in all honesty this will be settled in my lifetime!
We finished 3rd, 5th, 6th and 4th in the 5 years immediately before the Abramovich takeover. We qualified for the CL twice, finished 4 points off the title winners once (in the famous treble winning season) and reached the CL quarters once. We also reached the FA Cup final once, having won it twice in the 3 years immediately before this 5 year period.
Chelsea didn't win a league title from 1955 - 2005.
I may have exaggerated a little on mid table, and apologise for that.
It still remains that Chelsea were more successful post Abrahmovich than they ever were before, and if it were not for that money, they probably wouldn't have done what they did.
https://www.chelseafc.com/en/mens-trophy-cabinet
No way does Chelsea get away with a 10-point deduction, considering the nature and scope of the info they've handed over. Not only is that in itself far, far bigger than Everton going 20m over the loss limit, we're also talking about active hiding of large sums. We could well be looking at relegation here. Quite right, too.
City have cheated far more than Chelsea but the pair of them have cheated on an unprecedented scale in comparison to anything that has gone before, Everton included.
Mandatory exclusion from the PL for many years is in order for the pair of them.
They will also get sued to buggery by all and sundry.
Quite right too.
And you'd been spending money you didn't have for a decade to achieve that, and were about to do a Super-Leeds.
Yeah no one is really disputing that but you don’t have to misrepresent the facts to make your point is all I’m saying.
All the bottom teams will improve to 24-33 points come end of season
I think the right thing to do is relegate these Scouse cnuts to League 2 so we don’t have to deal with them bottling the Liverpool game any longer whilst treating the Utd game as their cup final.
plus their fans are the worst. They are currently saying Utd should be docked points for being a billion in debt
plus their fans are the worst. They are currently saying Utd should be docked points for being a billion in debt
I hate it when pundits say "it's the fans that suffer" in regard to the 10 point penalty.
If that is the case, it was the fans that benefited when Everton cooked the books.
If that is the case, it was the fans that benefited when Everton cooked the books.
Not really. We were still shit.
You may be able to appeal on the grounds that spending 25m on Davy Klaassen and getting a points deduction is the excessive equivalent of conceding a penalty AND getting a red card.
People are complaining about Everton complaining about the points deductions. And whilst I get Everton did do wrong. What the feck did people expect?
Man City and Chelsea are sitting there cheating year after year and nothing happens. The PL come out with ‘115 charges’ and then it’s silence for a year. Maybe some transparency would help….
You just can’t really do what the PL are doing really. Allowing bent clubs to carry on without repercussions. Allowing the Saudi takeover of Newcastle because and I quote “the Saudi government will have nothing to do with the Newcastle”. Allowing and not punishing bent refs week in week out. How is anyone meant to respect the integrity of the Pl and this punishment they’ve given to Everton when they turn a blind eye to so much shit.
Man City and Chelsea are sitting there cheating year after year and nothing happens. The PL come out with ‘115 charges’ and then it’s silence for a year. Maybe some transparency would help….
You just can’t really do what the PL are doing really. Allowing bent clubs to carry on without repercussions. Allowing the Saudi takeover of Newcastle because and I quote “the Saudi government will have nothing to do with the Newcastle”. Allowing and not punishing bent refs week in week out. How is anyone meant to respect the integrity of the Pl and this punishment they’ve given to Everton when they turn a blind eye to so much shit.
It is crunch time right now.
Either city and Chelsea get unprecedented punishment or the whole league is a joke.
Say what you like about corruption in Italian football but at least they had the balls to give meaningful punishment to juve.
Spanish football is a completely lost cause and has been for at least two decades and probably even longer.
Remains to be seen what way we will turn. Hopefully it’s the right way.
Very true, and what about the conversation about the fans from the clubs they were trying to get an unfair advantage over?
May be said with some malice, but it is totally true. For me it's not enough for cheating and potentially ruining other clubs.
Probably wouldn’t have done that without Abramovich?
Bit of a fecking understatement that.
So 1150 point deduction for City then?
More than likely yes.
Last season 18th spot, the team you have to finish ahead of and where Luton are this season on the pitch without points deductions had 9 points after 12. So 0.75 points per game would be 29 points across the season. 18th ended up with 34.
21/22 on course for the same 29, got 35.
20/21 on course for 25, got 28.
19/20 projected 25 became 35.
18/19 was 25 to 34 in reality.
Can't be bothered going back further but they almost always improve. Everton should still be fine even though teams do tend to improve.
It's true that this season is unlike others as well. Just went back to the turn of the century and nobody in 18th had as few as 6 points after 12. We could be seeing a record low needed for survival.
Some Chelsea and City fans are convinced their legal teams will prevail and squash all potential charges. Chelsea illegal transfers, using non declared Agent Fees and huge undeclared signing on fees all transferred through shadow accounts in other countries are the main reason FIFA changed the agent rules for football transfers in October 2022. Yes the new owners have been honest and declared the actual accounts which they knew broke the records and for this, there should be some clemency only after all of the recent transfers which sought to take advantage of a UEFA loophole on amortisation over transfer fees over an 8 year period where they have twice spent over £100m on Defensive Midfield Players from South America?
They’ve been banned from 2 transfer windows previously by UEFA and been on the red list for nye on a decade, The EPL and an independent tribunal will be enforcing fines, points deduction and potential relegation. Todd and his merry man can then discus a North Vs South All star game in League 2.
City also have been banned from entering the CL for a season only to get that revoked by CAS, this time they will have no CAS to appeal to, however their legal department will tie up the PL for years if not decades. To be expelled you need 14 from 20 PL to agree with the proposal, I’m not so sure 14 teams would agree especially with City potentially offering £50-100m of compensation in form of youth players, favours etc, maybe even setting up a specialist Abu Dhabi account just for Burnley FC where once again, the Owner of Burnley has a unique opportunity to become yet another sporting ambassador for Abu Dhabi?
The real question is when did Roberto Mancini, Haaland’s Dad and Pep’s brother stop being ambassadors for the region and we all know FIFAs stance, they just gave the 2034 WC to SA, UEFA stance is not much better as they are seriously considering Saudi Clubs being allowed into the CL?
As much as I and many fans would like to see heavy punishments for Chelsea and City and then a kind being drawn in the sand to stop things getting out of control, it’s not going to happen.
City and Chelsea will get fines, maybe a from Europe through 6-10 point deduction and that’s it, if they are expelling them from the EPL then that will happen at
Yep 32 points could be 17th this season, Of course if Chelsea and City got relegated only one team would go down, highly unlikely I know ?
You all have nothing on aul' Pepper and our influencers.
The internet was a mistake.
I was going to post the exact same thing
They’re a different breed in Scouse Land. And I’m not the first person to say this.Bloody hell
Make it 20!
looking at the table, everton’s goal difference is vastly superior to that of the teams around them. should the premier league also deduct some goals from their goal difference? it’s effectively only a 9 point deduction otherwise.
Were the United fan’s giving them some stick today? My mate messaged me saying he was disgusted with our fans and when I asked why he said they were calling them cheats.
Seemed a bit OTT so wasn’t sure what was said?
Seemed a bit OTT so wasn’t sure what was said?
I was wondering during the game did the Everton club give out all those cards placed on seats before the match with corrupt written on them or did fans take them in or distribute them in the stadium
Their cards were right.
Corrupt board.
Corrupt board.
Need that 10 points increased for those pathetic little red print outs.
They had 3 points deducted today, wayyyyyy.
They broke the rules and now suffer the consequences.
The only issue here that another club has 115 charges to deal with that seems to be going unpunished
The only issue here that another club has 115 charges to deal with that seems to be going unpunished
Their board isn’t corrupt, just stupid.
Don't we protest with green and yellow scarves?
If we broke FFP by the same amount and got that deduction, we'd be rioting.