A tremendous trio of young talent.
Evan Ferguson - Top Irish Prospect
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The online fanbase is toxic. Not match goers.
And of course United is known for developing young players!
Are you trolling?
He would be smart to stay at Brighton for the next few years until he cements himself as a top player. They're an excellent club, it's a low pressure environment but one where they play the right way and develop players, have a top manager, have a young squad around him that has arguably performed at top 4 level all season. No reason why they can't seriously challenge for CL places next season just like they are this season.
Mention some players (not from youth teams) in the last few years.
I’d like to get this kid but is he really ‘banging in goals’?
Ive only watched highlights but he has scored 4 in 11 PL games.
His FA Cup stats are better but I think 2 of those goals are at Wrexham.
Anyway, not trying to write him off but maybe he needs to develop a bit more at Brighton first.
Great goal yesterday scoring the hardest goal but missed an easier chance.
Ive only watched highlights but he has scored 4 in 11 PL games.
His FA Cup stats are better but I think 2 of those goals are at Wrexham.
Anyway, not trying to write him off but maybe he needs to develop a bit more at Brighton first.
Great goal yesterday scoring the hardest goal but missed an easier chance.
Really?
They might except a £50-60m deal with a 2 year loan option, United sign him on a 6+1 contract before the new rules from Uefa come in. We get him at 20/21 then and he can’t play against us in PL perfect. We loan him back to Brighton for 23/24 and 24/25 season. That’s what a smart director of football would go like David Gill
ha, 120 million? Add another 50 to that.
Kane + this boy would make so much sense. Learn off of him for a few years, take over after 2/3 seasons then break his goalscoring record in 15-20 years time
he could learn off kane and sit on the bench or Play for brighton
120,000,050? Those Seasiders drive a hard bargain but go on then. Deal.
Their underage coaching is clearly excellent but the league is suboptimal for a prodigy to round out his skillset. Player development is not an exact science but if you had to pick the perfect environment for a young attacker to flourish in it would be:
1. A good progressive team that plays attractive football
2. Good attack minded coaches/manager
3. A club that gives regular first team game time
4. Competing in a strong league
Brighton ticks all the boxes right now. Everton only ticked box 3 and 4 for Rooney at 18. I really can't pretend to know much about Sporting circa 2003, but I do know that they did not offer number 4. Ronaldo and Rooney moved to a club that provided all 4 of the above. Brighton are guaranteeing number 3 a lot more than we are.
Realistically though, how much you think brighton letting go of Ferguson for ?
More than we’d be able or prepared to spend this summer I reckon, so it’s a non-starter. I feel like 60 would get him, but that’s such a risk for a player with so few professional games under his belt. With Rooney he had something about him where you knew he’d be a star, it didn’t feel like a risk. You know sooner or later one of these big money teenagers (Vinicius, Endrick) is going to flop badly.
I don’t doubt Brighton is a good place for him to develop. Disagree with your assertions on Sporting, plenty of good players developed in that league playing in Europe also helps.
It's such a smart idea I wonder why aren't many clubs doing it may be it's not that smart after all , can you find examples of big money signings going for 2 year loans back to the selling clubs unless their transfer movement is restricted .
Was referring to young talents. Should have added Garnacho.
I do think there’s a strong chance MG returns though.
We don’t need a CF who maybe possibly could be great in 4 years time.
How about 2 years and good between now and then?
Should a club with our ambitions take that gamble? We are chasing trophies on various fronts, hopefully the title eventually and I’m not sure someone so unproven is worth the astronomical fee Brighton will want.
Unless you think this is someone who is destined to be one of the greats? And hence the could be may be part doesn’t apply to him?
Bagged himself 8 goals in 17 this season, which is one goal better than Francis Jeffers did from that many appearances in his breakthrough season.
Jeffers level talent?
Who was Rooney playing against?
Was United not the perfect environment to develop for Rooney and Ronaldo?
Which youth players have Brighton developed by the way? Should be lots to mention if they're so good at it.
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Even more so. You don't tell your son to turn down a club like United. You go for it.
Brighton aren't accepting that mate
Different times mate. Both came into a settled and established squad with character and leadership where the weight of expectation was not firmly on either of them tbh.
Ferguson would be coming into a building project into a position that we have been crying out to be filled for a decade.
Not ideal conditions as if he is not producing - we couldn’t afford to give him time. A buy and loan back is the only deal that works for us right now as he is not at the level we need next season.
It's looking possible.
True but equally you could say the expectation to win leagues and champions league isn't here right now like it was back then. Less pressure in that sense. Nor would he be competing with the likes of RvN or Saha like Rooney was back then. There's an actual opening for any CF who just does the basics.
And actually Rooney and Ronaldo didn't arrive at the most settled of times. We were bang in a transitional period where performances and trohpies weren't exactly great.
But every player gets time at United. You can be crap for years and it doesn't matter. Or you can just put the effort in and the Old Trafford crowd will forgive everything else.
I don’t know where this idea that the Old Trafford crowd is a cauldron of judgement and toxicity has come from.
It's about as forgiving as it gets. If Ferguson is signed all he has to do do is show workrate, a good attitude and the crowd will give him years. That's how we are with young players.
Some confuse our match going fans with Redcafe/twitter extremists .
If we did that with Rooney we would have signed him and he would have went elsewhere.
We can't risk losing a player who could be our main striker for the next decade
I’d like to know where this comes from too
Imagine if Phil Jones has turned United down and stayed at Blackburn for a while. How different would his career and bank balance be now? Instead he took the opportunity and secured his families and grandkids financial future.
Ferguson could get seriously injured at any point and find himself stuck on his £12/hr Brighton contract.
Financially alone a player has to go for it if given the chance.
Ferguson could get seriously injured at any point and find himself stuck on his £12/hr Brighton contract.
Financially alone a player has to go for it if given the chance.
Do you think Jude Bellingham regrets turning us down?
I wasn’t talking about fans or the crowd…I was actually talking about what the team needs right now to be better and to compete at the top level right away.
I don’t want a young forward who works hard and hits his potential in 4 seasons time and we actually know what it feels like to have a fully reliable and functional and performing attack. We have had stop gap after stop gap after injury prone and unavailable etc etc. we need a starting striker that takes us up a level. We already pissed away 175 million on Sancho and Antony to sort out our wings and neither has raised our level. They have potential, they have real runs of quality, they may turn out to be worth the investment - but right now - they don’t particularly improve us a great deal. We can’t take that risk with a striker as well.
Ferguson isn’t at that level right now that would improve us and is too expensive to be a second purchase. As an Irishman I just want to see him getting games.
I’m not sure of your point?
60 million wouldn’t even prompt us to pick up the phone.
we look like we’ll be in Europe next season for the first time ever and there’s a good chance we’ll lose one of Caicedo or Max Allister or possibly both. We won’t want to lose anyone else.
Ferguson signed a long term contract just before the World Cup, I doubt the club would even entertain his sale for less than 100m, which he clearly isn’t worth yet, but we have no need to sell and he has no wish to move right now. So the money would have to be an absolutely silly amount.
Look you lot. You’re either United >>> Ireland or Ireland >>> United.
Let’s not sugar coat the reasons behind some of what I’m reading here.
Let’s not sugar coat the reasons behind some of what I’m reading here.
This is the thing, I think he’s worth more to you than we’d be prepared to pay. We’d be better off looking elsewhere for now and if in 3 years time he’s fired you into successive top 4 finishes, the last 16 of the champions league and fancies a move then he’s justified a massive fee.
Pretty obvious, no? Sometimes it’s in the best interest of a young player’s development to stay at a smaller club for a few years after the big clubs first come calling.
People talking about casually chucking £60M towards a player who's scored four league goals in his career.
Sure he's looked really good so far, but he's only played a handful of games. History is littered with players who looked good for a short while.
We have so many glaring issues in the squad, and if reports are to be believed, not a whole lot of money to spend. So spending 60 million quid on an 18 year old with four league goals to his name would not be a sensible thing to do.
Sure he's looked really good so far, but he's only played a handful of games. History is littered with players who looked good for a short while.
We have so many glaring issues in the squad, and if reports are to be believed, not a whole lot of money to spend. So spending 60 million quid on an 18 year old with four league goals to his name would not be a sensible thing to do.
Not really obvious no.
United were quite chaotic at the time. Dortmund are renowned for developing young players and are the second best team in Germany with a rich pedigree. They are also playing in the highest European level.
Are we really saying Dortmund and Brighton are on equal footing?