Adebesi
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If CFOs were the only ones with a vote the result would not be in question. Unfortunately (from my perspective at least) those with more modest titles seem to have a different opinion.
Full figures...
62% favour staying
28% say they will make their mind up after the details of a re-negotiation are finalised
4% had no opinion
and 6% favoured leaving
More than 10 times as many in favour staying to leaving!
If CFOs were the only ones with a vote the result would not be in question.
Unfortunately (from my perspective at least) those with more modest titles seem to have a different opinion.
nor can you assume they will all split to leave:You can't just put the 28% in some holding pattern in which they ultimately favour remaining;
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CFOs are people too!The people you mean?
CFOs are people too!
What do you mean?But people with a conflict of interest.
Full figures...
62% favour staying
28% say they will make their mind up after the details of a re-negotiation are finalised
4% had no opinion
and 6% favoured leaving
More than 10 times as many in favour staying to leaving!
What do you mean?
Oh dear, Nick's whole purpose on the cafe is to scour the press for articles he can selectively quote to reinforce his opinions, and he still cocks it up.
All in good humour Nick, keep it up, it's often you that gets a good conversation going.
That is, of course, not true https://fullfact.org/factcheck/europe/eu_budget_signed_off_auditors-49494
I dont think that is really a conflict of interests Nick. Everyone has their own perspective on any political question, informed by their personal and professional circumstances. CFOs are just people with a particular perspective, they will vote as people, according to their perspective, weighing up what they think is best for their company and the economy as a whole, against what they think best in other areas such as immigration. Whether they vote stay or leave will be the product of their assessment of all these areas, the same as everyone else's would be.That the priorities of a CFO for a multinational don't necessarily coincide with what is best for the country and its people in other spheres of life.
Do they care about such events as Libya, Ukraine, Syria, the migrant crisis, and how they reflect upon the EU's leadership and competence? Or matters of sovereignty: justice, TTIP, defence, foreign policy, human rights, tax harmonisation, fisheries e.t.c.
Also seeing that Tory rebellion is likely to be far smaller than previously thought on this. Think it's beginning to settle on a small but clear decision to remain.
If we voted to leave we wouldn't need the brake anyway and the brake itself is not want people want to see from his negotiations. Cameron's just trying to convince people that it'll sort out all their concerns. It won't though and they'll recognise that.It sounds like this in work benefits emergency brake could be implemented immediately upon a stay vote... Or at least that's what Cameron wants. If that is the case you can see how the stay vote will probably carry enough anti immigration sentiment to bring a lot of the wavering votes with it
It sounds like this in work benefits emergency brake could be implemented immediately upon a stay vote... Or at least that's what Cameron wants. If that is the case you can see how the stay vote will probably carry enough anti immigration sentiment to bring a lot of the wavering votes with it
I respectfully disagree as in the mind of people who have a problem with the immigration figures I would be surprised if exactly the same attitude existed towards migrants who earn enough to pay taxes but don't receive benefits compared to those who are a net negative contributor to hmrc as they revieve more in benefits than hmrc collects.The living wage is meant to take a lot of workers out of in-work benefits anyway, and there will still be plenty of people wanting to come to Britain for the wages, not the benefits. It may appeal to sentiment a little but it won't take long for people to see it will make little or no actual difference to immigration.
It's one concern though... As is overall economic stability and as such I think it will be enough to convince enough peopleIf we voted to leave we wouldn't need the brake anyway and the brake itself is not want people want to see from his negotiations. Cameron's just trying to convince people that it'll sort out all their concerns. It won't though and they'll recognise that.
Well I run the uk division of a European company... The free movement of capital is pretty essential to my employees jobs and they are plenty intelligent enough to understand that. I have cousins working in Spain and others who have spent time in Italy and France, friends working at German companies and others with Polish wife's... So as I say I think it will be a close election, hardfought to the point of some animosity, many have made their mind up already but the ability to get that vote out and to persuade any undecided will probably be critical in deciding the outcome... My guess would be stay but that it will be closeCan't think why. The EU offers the general population very little of what it wants yet gives it an abundance of what it doesn't want.
Different circles Nick. I only know one person who's said they'll vote to leave, and I imagine that everyone I work with is going to vote to stay. I'm only tempted to vote 'leave' as it might increase my chances of owning property in London before I retire.No-one I have spoken to save for those of you on here, has the intention of voting to remain in the EU. Be they friends or family, in their 20s or 60s, the sentiment toward the EU is pretty cool.
Similarly over 90% of my work colleagues, friends and family are likely to vote stay... Probably more indicative of the self selecting nature of our own networks as most polls put the figures much closer to an even split than our experience indicates.
Different circles Nick. I only know one person who's said they'll vote to leave, and I imagine that everyone I work with is going to vote to stay. I'm only tempted to vote 'leave' as it might increase my chances of owning property in London before I retire.
We need more info to be able to decide imo. If we get a 'smooth divorce', granted EEA status like Norway then fine.Well, of course, i wasn't suggesting that such was representative of the polls at this point. Although the demographics involved do give a Eurosceptic like myself some cause for hope.
Another part of the debate, which admittedly the Leave campaign has played down thus far, is the emotional and visionary aspect of a new Britain outside of a stagnating European Union. Right now, it is easier to make a positive case for a globally minded UK, than the continuance of its status as a peripheral member of the EU. Even the trade argument is becoming one of diminishing returns for Brussels: Britain's reliance upon Europe is on a consistent and increasingly downward curve.
Reread his posts. He has no love for the current Tory party, but hates Corbyn more.Nick's a right-wing Tory. Who would have guessed?
Reread his posts. He has no love for the current Tory party, but hates Corbyn more.
He voted for the Greens!Nick's a right-wing Tory. Who would have guessed?
I think he mostly did it as a wild story to tell at the pubReread his posts. (voted green my arse)
Bloody hell, rare I'm called pompous! He defo has 'Tory leanings'. He's a good guy, agreed. Erudite poster.Don't turn pompous Jips. It's a running thing that I think Nick's more right-wing than he admits to. I like him really.
So to get eea status Norway Norway has had to pay but gets no say in the rules yet still has to implement the vast majority... I'm not sure that's quite as good a deal as we currently have!We need more info to be able to decide imo. If we get a 'smooth divorce', granted EEA status like Norway then fine.
If it's bitter and we have to renegotiate every trade treaty and tariff with each individual EU member it will be very economically damaging.
Bloody hell, rare I'm called pompous! He defo has 'Tory leanings'. He's a good guy, agreed. Erudite poster.
Who is Manuel btw?
Interesting read and yep, doesn't sound the good deal people say.So to get eea status Norway Norway has had to pay but gets no say in the rules yet still has to implement the vast majority... I'm not sure that's quite as good a deal as we currently have!
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model
I think he mostly did it as a wild story to tell at the pub
Doesn't mean we have to have a Norway deal, we can negotiate our own deal.So to get eea status Norway Norway has had to pay but gets no say in the rules yet still has to implement the vast majority... I'm not sure that's quite as good a deal as we currently have!
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-reality-uk-voters-seduced-by-norwegian-model