His goals and good attacking play masked his defensive weaknesses ala Vermaelen.
Etienne Capoue to Spurs?
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His goals and good attacking play masked his defensive weaknesses ala Vermaelen.
Yeah, he made a number of poor defensive mistakes for the 'best CB in the league', still had a great season though.
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Defenders who have a good technique and participate in attacking play always get overrated, it took the media two years to notice that Vermaelen was average defensively.
Vertonghen was very good but the best CB in the league?
Give me a break.
Vertonghen was very good but the best CB in the league?
Give me a break.
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He was defensively excellent. On the contrary, defenders who are technically excellent are often deemed to be poor defensively by default.
It took pundits a few years to realise Rafael was not useless in defence.
Rubbish. David Luiz(though he improved a lot last year), Vertonghen, Pique and to some extent Hummels have been a bit overrated because they're technically excellent.
Rubbish. David Luiz(though he improved a lot last year), Vertonghen, Pique and to some extent Hummels have been a bit overrated because they're technically excellent.
David Luiz has been excessively chastised for ages and even referenced as a 'poor' defender on here (less surprisingly) for ages.
The fact is, all defenders can make mistakes, or get beaten. If Luiz was ran ragged by Torres in the same way Vidic was, or turned as easily by Eto'o in the CL Final in 2009 - he would get more stick I reckon. However, Vidic generally takes on the appearance of a 'proper defender', while people are still scratching their head with 'hmm, Luiz (or similar defender) is good, but I'm not sure if his position is defence' because he can trap a ball and pass it.
Vertonghen has no particularly defensive deficiencies. He may make an error every now and then, as may Vidic or another 'run through a brick wall type', but his ability with the ball does not make him a defensive liability by any or anything, in the same way that Vidic' lesser ability on the ball does not, in itself, make him a better defender.
IS Pjanic really linked to Spurs? Cracking little player, I was really surprised when he left Lyon for such a small transfer (money wise).
More interesting then their midfield should be who will replace Bale. What's the alternative on the left wing? Holtby?
They bought Chadli and have Townsend back from loan at QPR.
Luiz is a very good player but some of the basic errors he made as a defender led him to being chastised as poor defender not his quality on the ball. The fact is he was prone to an error in every game for a while and everybody knew it. Any defender can have a bad game or a tough opponent but they should not be making mistakes with the regularity Luiz was.David Luiz has been excessively chastised for ages and even referenced as a 'poor' defender on here (less surprisingly) for ages.
The fact is, all defenders can make mistakes, or get beaten. If Luiz was ran ragged by Torres in the same way Vidic was, or turned as easily by Eto'o in the CL Final in 2009 - he would get more stick I reckon. However, Vidic generally takes on the appearance of a 'proper defender', while people are still scratching their head with 'hmm, Luiz (or similar defender) is good, but I'm not sure if his position is defence' because he can trap a ball and pass it.
Vertonghen has no particularly defensive deficiencies. He may make an error every now and then, as may Vidic or another 'run through a brick wall type', but his ability with the ball does not make him a defensive liability by any or anything, in the same way that Vidic' lesser ability on the ball does not, in itself, make him a better defender.
Vertonghen was very good but the best CB in the league?
Give me a break.
I think that he was slightly better than Rio last season, and the best CB in the league was between them. Who was the best CM to you?
I fully agree with that, and expect us to finish above them. I think that while Carrick is better, or at least was better than all of their midfielders last season (I think Dembele has the capacity to reach his level at least), as a unit, they have a stronger midfield I think.
Overall, I don't think personnel wise, there is much between them, and I think Fergie could win the League for us with their team, and it would probably be nowhere near the worst collection of players to have won it either.
Their midfield is the best in the league IMO. Lloris and Vertonghen are quality. Soldado will be good but I don't expect that he'll score as much goals as in Spain (I expect around 20 goals in all competitions). But in other positions I have my doubts, I don't know how good is Capoue, I don't rate Walker and Lennon that much. Even if they sign Lamela and if their first team is on pair with us, I don't think that their bench options are that good. They should get the fourth place this season though.
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