Etienne Capoue to Spurs?

kouroux said:
With their current team, they have to get that 4th spot, 5th will be a huge disappointment and specially if they keep Bale.
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Might be a case of too many new players. They'll be lucky if it all clicks straight away - could do though.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Might be a case of too many new players. They'll be lucky if it all clicks straight away - could do though.
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They've only signed 4 players and only 2 of them will go straight into the first team being big improvements over players they replace (Paulinho and Soldado).
 
peterstorey said:
Spurs have been signing shit CMs (Modric excepted) for years.
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Get with the programme baby: Sandro and Paulinho will arguably be Brazil's first choice CM pairing during the World Cup and Dembele is excellent.

I reserve judgement on Capoue because I've not really seen him play, although he comes with a good reputation.
 
Sandro is a good player but his injury record is terrible and alongside Paulinho it will be quite negative....isn't Capoue a DM as well?
 
GlastonSpur said:
Get with the programme baby: Sandro and Paulinho will arguably be Brazil's first choice CM pairing during the World Cup and Dembele is excellent.

I reserve judgement on Capoue because I've not really seen him play, although he comes with a good reputation.
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Parker, Huddlestone, Jenas, Gilberto, Ghaly, O'Hara, Zokora, Palacios say that the programme is shit. Sandro is a pretty limited player, why you needed to pay £17M to get another one in Paulinho stumps me. Dembele is a decent AM but no CM.
 
Castia said:
Sandro is a good player but his injury record is terrible and with both of those in the team it will be quite negative....isn't Capoue a DM as well?
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From what I've read, yes, Capoue is mainly a DM (and can play as CB also). But Paulinho isn't a DM (he's a box-to-box CM who get forward a lot) and I wouldn't describe Sandro as a pure DM either, although he'll stay back a lot more in comparison to Paulinho.

I'd see a midfield three of Sandro -Paulinho and Dembele as being quite mobile and to some extent quite interchangeable, with any of the three capable of carrying the ball well forward while one or more of the others drops/stays back. So I don't see the trio as being necessarily mainly negative in intent, but I guess it will depend on the tactics for any particular game ... and maybe also on who else arrives or leaves before the window shuts.

Capoue's role for the time being will probably be to provide squad cover (DM and CB).
 
Aye fair enough then it looks like you have a decent midfield setup for next season. Everybody knows how weak our midfield is and the scary thing is Man City, Tottenham and Chelsea have all strengthened theirs so we are dropping even further behind (in respects to midfield)
 
peterstorey said:
Parker, Huddlestone, Jenas, Gilberto, Ghaly, O'Hara, Zokora, Palacios say that the programme is shit. Sandro is a pretty limited player, why you needed to pay £17M to get another one in Paulinho stumps me. Dembele is a decent AM but no CM.
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It's the here-and-now that counts.

I completely disagree about Sandro: he's a really good player, one of the best at Spurs in my book. As for Paulinho, obviously it remains to be seen how well he'll adapt to the Prem, as with any new player from a foreign league. But he played very well for Brazil in the recent Confed. Cup and looked good for Spurs in the one pre-season that he's featured in.

It's entirely possible that a midfield three of Sandro, Paulinho and Dembele will prove to be one of the very best in the Prem. We shall see.
 
Looks a good midfield trio on paper to me. I'd rather it to what United have at the moment anyway.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Get with the programme baby: Sandro and Paulinho will arguably be Brazil's first choice CM pairing during the World Cup and Dembele is excellent.

I reserve judgement on Capoue because I've not really seen him play, although he comes with a good reputation.
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Paulinho failed at LKS Lodz, you need to see him play in PL first before you can proclaim him a quality midfielder. You've been on all Summer telling everyone how awesome he is yet for all you know he might be another Kleberson.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's the here-and-now that counts.

I completely disagree about Sandro: he's a really good player, one of the best at Spurs in my book. As for Paulinho, obviously it remains to be seen how well he'll adapt to the Prem, as with any new player from a foreign league. But he played very well for Brazil in the recent Confed. Cup and looked good for Spurs in the one pre-season that he's featured in.

It's entirely possible that a midfield three of Sandro, Paulinho and Dembele will prove to be one of the very best in the Prem. We shall see.
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The here-and-now is that you know feck all about Paulinho.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'd see a midfield three of Sandro -Paulinho and Dembele as being quite mobile and to some extent quite interchangeable, with any of the three capable of carrying the ball well forward while one or more of the others drops/stays back. So I don't see the trio as being necessarily mainly negative in intent, but I guess it will depend on the tactics for any particular game ... and maybe also on who else arrives or leaves before the window shuts.
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I think that is a brilliant three man midfield, absolute rock solid with passing ability as well.

I hope Sandro can get over his injury troubles because he could become exceptional, would love to have him at United.
 
Sarni said:
The here-and-now is that you know feck all about Paulinho.
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I know that he's a first XI player for Brazil. I know that he and Gustavo together disrupted and nullified Spain's midfield in the final of the Confed. Cup. I know that he's a box-to-box CM. I know that he provides a goal threat. I know that he was impressive in our last pre-season friendly.

And I know that Spurs have been tracking him for some time, and that Levy, AVB and Baldini don't lightly agree on spending £17m.

That's enough for me to be going on with. As for the rest and how well he will adapt to the Prem, that remains to be seen as I've already said.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I know that he's a first XI player for Brazil. I know that he and Gustavo together disrupted and nullified Spain's midfield in the final of the Confed. Cup. I know that he's a box-to-box CM. I know that he provides a goal threat. I know that he was impressive in our last pre-season friendly.

And I know that Spurs have been tracking him for some time, and that Levy, AVB and Baldini don't lightly agree on spending £17m.

That's enough for me to be going on with. As for the rest and how well he will adapt to the Prem, that remains to be seen as I've already said.
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Kleberson was also a first team member of a Brazilian national team that won a trophy, it wasn't a nothing trophy back then though, it was the World Cup. Just before Paulinho broke into the team their main defensive midfielder was Felipe Melo, a pretty average player who failed miserably at Juventus.

You seem very excited by the prospect of Paulinho at Spurs and he may well do fine but you've been bragging about him as if he were the second coming lately. He isn't really all that.
 
Sarni said:
Kleberson was also a first team member of a Brazilian national team that won a trophy, it wasn't a nothing trophy back then though, it was the World Cup. Just before Paulinho broke into the team their main defensive midfielder was Felipe Melo, a pretty average player who failed miserably at Juventus.

You seem very excited by the prospect of Paulinho at Spurs and he may well do fine but you've been bragging about him as if he were the second coming lately. He isn't really all that.
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Not exactly true- Melo hasn't played for Brazil since the World Cup.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's the here-and-now that counts.

I completely disagree about Sandro: he's a really good player, one of the best at Spurs in my book. As for Paulinho, obviously it remains to be seen how well he'll adapt to the Prem, as with any new player from a foreign league. But he played very well for Brazil in the recent Confed. Cup and looked good for Spurs in the one pre-season that he's featured in.

It's entirely possible that a midfield three of Sandro, Paulinho and Dembele will prove to be one of the very best in the Prem. We shall see.
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I'd take Sandro at Chelsea over any other cm outside the top 4. I think if he wasn't injured as often a lot more people who realise how good he is.
 
Sarni said:
... You seem very excited by the prospect of Paulinho at Spurs and he may well do fine but you've been bragging about him as if he were the second coming lately. He isn't really all that.
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Why shouldn't I be excited about him signing for Spurs? It's not every day that someone in their prime from Brazil's 1st choice XI arrives at White Hart Lane.

And nor have I been "bragging about him as if he were the second coming" ... I've merely said he's played well and looked impressive in the 3 or 4 games in which I've seen him play, which include games against Spain and England, and added the caveat that it remains to be seen how well he'll adapt to the Prem.

You, on the other hand, come out with your definitive "he isn't really all that" when I suspect that in reality you don't have much of a fecking clue.
 
Castia said:
Aye fair enough then it looks like you have a decent midfield setup for next season. Everybody knows how weak our midfield is and the scary thing is Man City, Tottenham and Chelsea have all strengthened theirs so we are dropping even further behind (in respects to midfield)
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Chelsea's is still nothing special (given that we're talking about CM, not their 'three amigos'). But City's looks superb, and Spurs have certainly focussed their transfer efforts there this summer and got some good players.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Why shouldn't I be excited about him signing for Spurs? It's not every day that someone in their prime from Brazil's 1st choice XI arrives at White Hart Lane.

And nor have I been "bragging about him as if he were the second coming" ... I've merely said he's played well and looked impressive in the 3 or 4 games in which I've seen him play, which include games against Spain and England, and added the caveat that it remains to be seen how well he'll adapt to the Prem.

You, on the other hand, come out with your definitive "he isn't really all that" when I suspect that in reality you don't have much of a fecking clue.
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Because it's the same you who said last season that we shouldn't be excited by Kagawa because he hasn't played in PL yet, I remind you again. Now you've been using Paulinho as an example of a player United should go for, numerous times, and pointing him out to pete as a good midfielder even though he's done nothing in Europe.

I also reckon I've seen him more than you have. I've seen most of his performances in Europe.
 
Sarni said:
Because it's the same you who said last season that we shouldn't be excited by Kagawa because he hasn't played in PL yet, I remind you again. Now you've been using Paulinho as an example of a player United should go for, numerous times, and pointing him out to pete as a good midfielder even though he's done nothing in Europe.

I also reckon I've seen him more than you have. I've seen most of his performances in Europe.
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Wrong. I never said that you shouldn't be excited by the prospect of signing Kagawa: it's always exciting for fans when a new player arrives for whom there are high hopes. Instead I said that the hugely extravagant plaudits being heaped upon his head were premature, seeing as it remained to be seen how well he'd do in the Prem. And as it's turned out so far he hasn't been that great from what I've seen.

And yes, I've referred to Paulinho (and Gustavo and others) as examples of midfielders that Moyes should be trying to sign - in other words realistic targets that would improve your midfield options - instead of pissing about in the pursuit of 'big name' targets that will never come.
 
Sarni said:
Just before Paulinho broke into the team their main defensive midfielder was Felipe Melo, a pretty average player who failed miserably at Juventus.

You seem very excited by the prospect of Paulinho at Spurs and he may well do fine but you've been bragging about him as if he were the second coming lately. He isn't really all that.
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I think you should give Glaston a break - id be pretty happy if we had signed Paulinho - based on the confed cup appearances. Granted hes probably not the second coming, but i think he would have worked well for united.
 
GlastonSpur said:
And yes, I've referred to Paulinho (and Gustavo and others) as examples of midfielders that Moyes should be trying to sign - in other words realistic targets that would improve your midfield options - instead of pissing about in the pursuit of 'big name' targets that will never come.
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I agree with everything you've said but then you go you saying things like "pissing about with midfield targets that will never come" really fecking grates me. You do understand or acknowledge that we're United & our targets aren't in the same league as that of Spurs, right?

'Big name' players are who we realistically can and should aim for & just because it hasn't come off this summer, doesn't make the statement any less true. You're currently a tier below us, so win the league or at least, finish top 4 before you try & sound so smug.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
I think you should give Glaston a break - id be pretty happy if we had signed Paulinho - based on the confed cup appearances. Granted hes probably not the second coming, but i think he would have worked well for united.
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Exactly, based on Confederations Cup - we shouldn't be signing players on the basis of such competition.
 
Sarni said:
Exactly, based on Confederations Cup - we shouldn't be signing players on the basis of such competition.
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And you imagine that Spurs signed him just on the basis of Confed. Cup? Get real.
 
Sarni said:
Exactly, based on Confederations Cup - we shouldn't be signing players on the basis of such competition.
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True, but thats all i have to go on. I have assumed to get into the team in the first place he mustve been decent to get in ahead of the likes of Ramires.

Plus the Brazilian bloke at work says he is great.
 
Ish84045 said:
I agree with everything you've said but then you go you saying things like "pissing about with midfield targets that will never come" really fecking grates me. You do understand or acknowledge that we're United & our targets aren't in the same league as that of Spurs, right?

'Big name' players are who we realistically can and should aim for & just because it hasn't come off this summer, doesn't make the statement any less true. You're currently a tier below us, so win the league or at least, finish top 4 before you try & sound so smug.
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I'm the one who is smug?

BTW it's not just this summer: if it's "big name' players" that you're after for CM, when was the last one signed?
 
GlastonSpur said:
And you imagine that Spurs signed him just on the basis of Confed. Cup? Get real.
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Knowing you you probably scouted him about twice back in Brazil. Spending £17m on a player who failed in Europe once because of weak mentality is risky either way.

You had a superior player in Moutinho all but signed last season but refused to up your bid to a reasonable amount so you ended up with Paulinho.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm the one who is smug?

BTW it's not just this summer: if it's "big name' players" that you're after for CM, when was the last one signed?
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It's not really being smug, it's reality. Title winning sides that compete for European trophies aim for different players than Europa League clubs.

CM or not, we aim for top players in every position and we're getting them virtually every year.
 
Sarni said:
It's not really being smug, it's reality. Title winning sides that compete for European trophies aim for different players than Europa League clubs.

CM or not, we aim for top players in every position and we're getting them virtually every year.
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So let me repeat my question: if it's "big name" players that you're after for CM, when was the last one signed?
 
Glaston is lying as per usual. He said Kagawa can't be judged because we don't know how he will adapt in PL when we signed him last season

Iirc it all stemmed from the argument because somebody said that Kagawa was a better signing than Dempsey.
 
GlastonSpur said:
So let me repeat my question: if it's "big name" players that you're after for CM, when was the last one signed?
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We've not really been in the market for a CM for quite a while for some reason, why is that even relevant? We are going after quality players for all positions or at least trying to - understandable since we are a top club. It's only been a year since we signed the best player in the league.
 
Sarni said:
You had a superior player in Moutinho all but signed last season but refused to up your bid to a reasonable amount so you ended up with Paulinho.
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I thought they had a deal agreed but couldn't get the paperwork done in time because Levy was busy getting an extra million for the Modric deal?
 
Joemo said:
I thought they had a deal agreed but couldn't get the paperwork done in time because Levy was busy getting an extra million for the Modric deal?
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feck knows what the reason was but they didn't get a superb midfielder who'd have fit them perfectly in the end.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm the one who is smug?

BTW it's not just this summer: if it's "big name' players" that you're after for CM, when was the last one signed?
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What's smug about what I said mate? It's reality & if you can't see that, you're a bit delusional.

When's the last time there was any public confirmation we were interested or had bid for a cm? Other than Fabregas, I don't really recall 'being' rejected by a cm??
 
KM said:
Glaston is lying as per usual. He said Kagawa can't be judged because we don't know how he will adapt in PL when we signed him last season

Iirc it all stemmed from the argument because somebody said that Kagawa was a better signing than Dempsey.
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That doesn't concern Spurs players, they could come from the bottom of Tunisian 3rd division but they're amazing since they got signed by Daniel Levy.
 
Sarni said:
Knowing you you probably scouted him about twice back in Brazil. Spending £17m on a player who failed in Europe once because of weak mentality is risky either way.

You had a superior player in Moutinho all but signed last season but refused to up your bid to a reasonable amount so you ended up with Paulinho.
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Moutinho is an excellent CM ... so why didn't United go for him? Not "big name" enough? Not a galactico? Or perhaps he's "not United quality".

You can sneer all you like at Paulinho - and no doubt Sandro, Dembele and Capoue too - but at least we continue to improve our CM, whilst United have signed ... no-one.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Moutinho is an excellent CM ... so why didn't United go for him? Not "big name" enough? Not a galactico? Or perhaps he's "not United quality".

You can sneer all you like at Paulinho - and no doubt Sandro, Dembele and Capoue too - but at least we continue to improve our CM, whilst United have signed ... no-one.
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I don't know why we didn't go after Moutinho, perhaps it was because he'd already been signed by Monaco by the time Moyes took over you massive WUM.

Try improving it enough so you can finally qualify for some Champions League football in 5 years or so.
 
Sarni said:
I don't know why we didn't go after Moutinho, perhaps it was because he'd already been signed by Monaco by the time Moyes took over you massive WUM.

Try improving it enough so you can finally qualify for some Champions League football in 5 years or so.
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Don't be too riled up by him. He's just a bloke who registers on different forum to WUM, we are not the only board to be blessed by his presence.

A simple google search by his name reveals the actual extent of his pathetic life.
 
Sarni said:
I don't know why we didn't go after Moutinho, perhaps it was because he'd already been signed by Monaco by the time Moyes took over you ...
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So why didn't you go for Moutinho last summer?

And are you seriously criticising Spurs for not being willing or able to try and outbid Monaco?
 
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