All he had to do was implement what he knew best, add players for that system and get rid of players not suited for that system.
ETH on United philosophy: “Built a side to play direct football”… “Impossible to play like Ajax”
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It will only get worse as he will grind out results to keep his job. There will be no coaching or pattern of play, just pure survival mode and individual moments.
Just sack him now, pathetic excuse of a manager.
Just sack him now, pathetic excuse of a manager.
"It's all about getting it wide to the wingers"
Shame those wingers are shit.
Shame those wingers are shit.
Also midfielders who cannot run or move off the ball (hide behind markers) and cannot take the ball on the half turn under pressure.
They threw Ole under the bus for precisely this, being direct, so im not sure why he thought he could pull it off.
Not sure why hes come out with this quote it makes him look weak. Not playing like Ajax is one thing but we generally play some of the worst football in the league. There’s teams with way less quality than we have available playing a much better brand of football
I’m not being funny but wasn’t this his entire appeal? A modern style manager that plays attractive football. 400m later and he’s talking like big Sam at Bolton battling for every point.
I’ve had it with this manager
I’m not being funny but wasn’t this his entire appeal? A modern style manager that plays attractive football. 400m later and he’s talking like big Sam at Bolton battling for every point.
I’ve had it with this manager
Wholeheartedly agree. I would back that man completely if I knew we would be this shit in 2023. He was the man for the job.
The guys clearly just laying the foundations to be sacked and get a pay out now. It’s blindingly obvious.
He’s actually trolling himself and his past managerial career.
Needs to be got rid of as a matter of urgency.
He’s actually trolling himself and his past managerial career.
Needs to be got rid of as a matter of urgency.
We would be so much better without the most creative player in the league and our top scorer by a country mile last season.
Nice to see we have new scapegoat. The guys that said getting rid of de gea would be transformational last season look so clever this year
he signed 7 of them so I do blame him
Am sure the poll would not be 77% keep, if opened now.
This statement just highlights the club's unstructure more than anything...
- Hire ETH > No idea what he wants to play > Doesn't sign players with the same profile that he wants.
I mean it's not like ETH is blameless but manager should never be in charge of transfer. He may have input but that should stop there
From Dejong to Casemiro, two very different players. Didn't replace DDG in first year. Sancho, probably not single person at the club knows what he's good at yet he was club's top target.
Fred, McTomminey, Bruno can't control midfield, have no patient to do so. Rashford, oh dear, he has the habit of switching off/on through the season.
The list go on. Blame ETH all you want, arguably he could've signed some systemic players instead of MM and Antony but how would you solve this in a year? Take it in mind that club takes forever to sell/buy a player.
"But he spent 400m", United tax. The real number is closer to 250m not to mention he inherited an unfuctional squad with lot of players out of contract/leaving. Give that money to Brighton, they would get you 2 teams not 7 players.
- Hire ETH > No idea what he wants to play > Doesn't sign players with the same profile that he wants.
I mean it's not like ETH is blameless but manager should never be in charge of transfer. He may have input but that should stop there
From Dejong to Casemiro, two very different players. Didn't replace DDG in first year. Sancho, probably not single person at the club knows what he's good at yet he was club's top target.
Fred, McTomminey, Bruno can't control midfield, have no patient to do so. Rashford, oh dear, he has the habit of switching off/on through the season.
The list go on. Blame ETH all you want, arguably he could've signed some systemic players instead of MM and Antony but how would you solve this in a year? Take it in mind that club takes forever to sell/buy a player.
"But he spent 400m", United tax. The real number is closer to 250m not to mention he inherited an unfuctional squad with lot of players out of contract/leaving. Give that money to Brighton, they would get you 2 teams not 7 players.
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Indeed. Reopen the sack thread, please. I would like to change my vote.
We are letting him buying all these players to make him feel more at home, perhaps.
Rashford and Bruno belong nowhere near a top team. Hate to break it to you.
Rashford has people under a spell, his form now and his lack of any consistency is not a surprise to anyone since he’s been a regular in the team if you have watched him.
He is a cnut, signed a mismatch of players and plays shite football. He is a fraud and we have wasted serious money and time with him. It was obvious we were never going to win any title with direct football, all the big teams can play both direct and indirect.
There's no one at the club who has the appetite to get rid of the likes of Bruno and Rashford and even lesser players like McTominay or even AWB. It's too much work and hassle for Murtough, Arnold and Joel.
'We will never play the football we played at Ajax here,' he told ViaPlay after the defeat. 'I now have other players, that's not why I came here.'
'The player material you have determines how you will play. That's why we play here in a different way than I did at Ajax. That will have to be the case, because I can't play the same way here.
So why buy so many ex-Ajax players?
'The player material you have determines how you will play. That's why we play here in a different way than I did at Ajax. That will have to be the case, because I can't play the same way here.
So why buy so many ex-Ajax players?
What a load of horsecrap!
Everyone thought Spurs are doomed when they sold Kane. Their talisman and by far their best player. What happened? They are playing better football than they have in a long time. And Kane is a better player than both Marcus Rashford and Bruno Fernandes. Sometimes you need to let go to move forward.
Some people just look at stats. They don't really watch United play otherwise nobody in their right minds would call Bruno 'most creative' player. There are so many random bs involved in stats these days that if you constantly throw shit at a wall hoping for some of it to stick, you can creep up on the stats table. One of worst performers since that Ole season.
That’s all good but when the manager throws his style in the bin and says we’ll go back to what we had before that is……… not a good look
Saying Bruno as player that isn't able to play in possession-based team is silly on so many level. He's done it for years, as one of crucial player in Portugal NT that play similar to possession-based one.
For what it is worth, he's not a new scapegoat for me, I don't like players that play the way he does, I think it gets away from the team aspect. I understand people do like him though.
True. Although he raised a good point about the goalkeeper. Everyone wanted a new one because everyone assumed we'd be playing quality possession football, which didn't suit De Gea. If we were going to stick to Oleball, we really should have just kept De Gea. Shambolic recruitment.
It wouldn't be, if it happened. As it is, Ten Hag is playing the closest facsimile he can manage with the threadbare squad he has available.
Although it is easiest to blame ETH and by all means he is not blameless in this. However, this shows the true state of disarray the club is in. If a manager - whoever it is - is not on the same page with the directors - whoever they are - who are not in constant discussions with the owners - whoever they may be - then all of the issues we have seen over the last decade or so will continue to persist. Add that to a lack of accountability, then you have a truly shit concoction, as we are witnessing.
It is easiest to judge the manager and players because they are the most front line staff - but there must be a lot of shit going on beyond the pitch that is leading to the horrid product on it.
This doesn’t relieve the players or managers of their part in this (especially not the players) but it does add perspective and context.
That being said, I feel with the current ownership situation everything will remain as is - if anything, Sir Jim’s 25% share might further add to the disarray as it adds another cog in a truly terrible machine.
It is easiest to judge the manager and players because they are the most front line staff - but there must be a lot of shit going on beyond the pitch that is leading to the horrid product on it.
This doesn’t relieve the players or managers of their part in this (especially not the players) but it does add perspective and context.
That being said, I feel with the current ownership situation everything will remain as is - if anything, Sir Jim’s 25% share might further add to the disarray as it adds another cog in a truly terrible machine.
They are still our best players so letting them go would be the quickest path to relegation. If you look at this squad and think they are the problem then I don't know what to say. Most of the signings have been wrong and they literally carried ETH to a trophy last year, despite the piss easy draws.
Let's be fair to him.
The crux of his great performance last season derived from the fact that he employed AWB, Varane, Martinez and Shaw as a back four and could more or less rely upon his best defence to protect and build out from the back.
The question you have to ask yourself is the following:
Would this season have looked the same if the above four had been fit for most/all games?
The crux of his great performance last season derived from the fact that he employed AWB, Varane, Martinez and Shaw as a back four and could more or less rely upon his best defence to protect and build out from the back.
The question you have to ask yourself is the following:
Would this season have looked the same if the above four had been fit for most/all games?
Selective outrage. How about those Di Maria, Pogba, Lukaku, Maguire, Varane etc summers I’ll add in CR7 for clout too.
Maybe he's not allowed to get rid of players like Bruno and Rashford who are clearly not suited to his system?
Of course it would've looked better.
No doubt the ETH OUT mob will disagree.
When you think about playing from the back, you naturally think of Maguire, Evans, Dalot and Lindelof, the titans of calmness, composure and skill.
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As pessimistic as it would've been to say at the time, the opener against Wolves was unfortunately a warning sign of things to come.
The team has, again, mentally checked out and I don't know if ETH (or even any other manager) can right this ship for some time.
The team has, again, mentally checked out and I don't know if ETH (or even any other manager) can right this ship for some time.
The transfer/recruitment argument is poisoning the whole argument. The window is not open for another 2 months and like most teams we won't be doing much in January.
The question should be with the players ETH has is he doing enough. The answer is NO. Forget about results, the football has been awful. With the talent he has, we should be saying better football. We've seen far less talented teams out play UTD.
The football and tactics haven't been good. This has nothing to do with transfers. It's down to coaching, game plan and execution. This falls on the manager and the players. Either the players are not following ETH gameplan or there isn't one. Because week to week, we see UTD poor in creating possessions. UTD are only dangerous on the counter. And there's is no attempt from this team to control the game.
The question should be with the players ETH has is he doing enough. The answer is NO. Forget about results, the football has been awful. With the talent he has, we should be saying better football. We've seen far less talented teams out play UTD.
The football and tactics haven't been good. This has nothing to do with transfers. It's down to coaching, game plan and execution. This falls on the manager and the players. Either the players are not following ETH gameplan or there isn't one. Because week to week, we see UTD poor in creating possessions. UTD are only dangerous on the counter. And there's is no attempt from this team to control the game.
Every manager has a set of quotes that turned the fan base and lead to their eventual sacking. Undoubtedly this is ETH's own.
He's been such a disappointment.
He's been such a disappointment.
Yeah, injuries to our defence have been brutal. Not an excuse but just the truth.
He has alternatives now though. He had Sancho and Garnacho at LW at the start of the season and he just spent big money on Mount. Maybe he can't get rid of them but they're not undroppable. Maybe the media and fans would have issues but I don't think either player is so loved that there would be collective outrage.
Whether he was right or wrong, Jose dropped Mata at Chelsea, despite putting him incredible number the season before at Chelsea, a far more popular player than Bruno or Rashford at United.
ETH can't complain that there's nothing he can do but play Bruno and Rashford all the time.
Erik "Shit on a Stick" Ten Hag.
What was the point of bringing him in then?