It’s not though. If you knew what you were talking about.
ESPN - Why Manchester United are still a mess under INEOS ownership
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My favourite was Tebbit's advice to get on yer bike.
Fair, that definitely makes sense
United are an easy target when things aren't going well on the field. It's a journalists wet dream, endless banter material, and guaranteed clicks. They will ride this train, and pile on with opinion pieces, until such a time that it all comes together and things start going well. Then the same people will write articles revealing how the brilliant and diligent work of Ineos started from the beginning, and detail their road to success. My point isn't so much that I believe future success is guaranteed under Ineos, more that if it does come, all these same commentators, will pivot expertly to knowing all along the sterling work done behind the scenes. Fact is, I don't take any of this seriously. None of these articles about shambles behind the scenes etc. None of them really know, they are just going for the easy clicks. It was always going to take at least 2 years to start to see the fruits of any labour to reinvigorate the club, and everything that comes in those first two years is just pointless noise. One does not simply wipe away over two decades of rot under the Glazers overnight. The task in front of Ineos is simply massive, and all this attention to every little decision, any little misstep is just pointless noise.
It reminds me of the articles that were doing the rounds 2-3 years ago talking about how embarrassingly terrible our academy was, and how far behind all our rivals we had fallen. Every bought into it. It became the big thing to talk about....United's academy in disarray and disintegration. Then, the same group of people put together some incredible youth sides, and some more graduates make it through to the first team, and suddenly any article on the subject is all about "Manchester United's secret to academy success". Just all bollocks designed for clicks. As with most things in life, major change takes a considerable about of time, will always include a necessary amount of failure along the way, things are never as bad as they seem, and are rarely as good as they appear.
None of this will stop the collective mouth frothing at every little thing, but my general advice would be to sit back and watch this unfold over the next 18 months, and then see where we are. This season will be a tough one, next season will be somewhat transitional, although we should expect some considerable improvement on the field. Recruitment will reshape the squad over the next three to four windows, and then we can have a real look at where we are. Until then, all the critiques, all the hyperbole, is just pointless.
It reminds me of the articles that were doing the rounds 2-3 years ago talking about how embarrassingly terrible our academy was, and how far behind all our rivals we had fallen. Every bought into it. It became the big thing to talk about....United's academy in disarray and disintegration. Then, the same group of people put together some incredible youth sides, and some more graduates make it through to the first team, and suddenly any article on the subject is all about "Manchester United's secret to academy success". Just all bollocks designed for clicks. As with most things in life, major change takes a considerable about of time, will always include a necessary amount of failure along the way, things are never as bad as they seem, and are rarely as good as they appear.
None of this will stop the collective mouth frothing at every little thing, but my general advice would be to sit back and watch this unfold over the next 18 months, and then see where we are. This season will be a tough one, next season will be somewhat transitional, although we should expect some considerable improvement on the field. Recruitment will reshape the squad over the next three to four windows, and then we can have a real look at where we are. Until then, all the critiques, all the hyperbole, is just pointless.
I forgot this site is left wing, if anyone has an opinion that isn't socialist, their opinion is basically invalid in your view.
Let them have their tartar sauce
Well, when your opinion is her off your arse and get a job, I’d say that certainly highlights who you are
I never even wrote that.
Yes, in some businesses, but is it true in this instance?
Suely you must have realised this by now.
Just put on some work boots, it will help you get more in tune the Caf
Great post and I especially agree on the highlighted bit. We can't expect miracles so soon, they've only been in the job a matter of months.
I owe you an apology it seems. I must have inadvertently tagged you when I was trying to reply to @BaguetteBoy who did write those things. I sincerely apologise to you. My ire was meant for him
Least if we had Qatar, they probably would of wiped debt away and we would have none of Sir Jim trying to run a football club like one of his chemical plants.
I do enjoy your posts buddy.
Massive shock that a forum of a traditionally left wing working class sport, for a team based in one of the most left wing parts of the country, would have a majority left wing membership.
Also it's not that your opinion isn't socialist, it's that trying to dismiss the idea that things like charging £66 for a kid to watch Man Utd is extortion as "socialist" is stupid.
As well the idea that this will somehow help Man Utd win the league as opposed to helping Ratcliffe save a few pennies also being both stupid and completely ridiculous.
The owner of my company is a right wing tory and has much less money than Ratcliffe, and he didn't cancel our Christmas party or expect all of us or company profits to pay for it. This is because being a tory and being an utterly detestable wanker aren't actually the same thing.
I was born in Cork and moved to Salford in 1964, (aged 4) so I am dual nationality. I am not left wing and I voted Brexit. Brexit was ruined, because of covid. £59 billion spent on that meant belt tightening. Its already happening that Labour is ruining the country and it took virtually 2 decades to get over the Bliar/Brown catastrophe. Saying that politics shouldnt be involved with sports in general and certainly not football. I hope that the mods/owners of this site are not poltically biased, as this is detrimental to football!
So in other words, we got another woodward owner?
Folks are willing to give managers 2 years to do a rebuild, but not even 6 months to owners who have a very messy situation on their hands.
No one really has a concrete answer anywhere, you learn by experimenting a bit and there are bound to be bumps, it takes time to build something when you’re starting from a downright negative position to begin with.
Regarding bonuses, by nature they are paid out by company performance also taken into regard. This club is a listed stock and bound to provide shareholder value, not do charity. We are performing at our worst, right call in my opinion to cut bonuses across the board.
I actually like the process where we are just reducing excessive/ overpaid staff and getting things under control for once. It’s a start, things will only improve gradually.
No one really has a concrete answer anywhere, you learn by experimenting a bit and there are bound to be bumps, it takes time to build something when you’re starting from a downright negative position to begin with.
Regarding bonuses, by nature they are paid out by company performance also taken into regard. This club is a listed stock and bound to provide shareholder value, not do charity. We are performing at our worst, right call in my opinion to cut bonuses across the board.
I actually like the process where we are just reducing excessive/ overpaid staff and getting things under control for once. It’s a start, things will only improve gradually.
“Those things” as in bonus.
Totally missed the point of the post where as bonus and wage or salary are two different things. One is a gift where the employer has the right to give or not to.
While some here crying how unfair or how it’s will almost hit their wallet hard the point that this will ruin their Christmas is farcical. And you help with their disillusions.
I don't think we are a mess. But experiencing teething problems.
Covid being to blame for the obvious negatives attached to Britain leaving the EU is one of my favourite shitty posts I’ve read in the football forum for a good while. Good job.
First I’ve come across that article in the OP. ‘Sir’ Dave Brailsford acting like a gigantic tit is no surprise to anyone who has followed him over the years. A dodgy bastard who has dined out on questionable successes in a completely different field.
Omar Berrada gives the impression of a man who seems to know how to operate a football club. As for the INEOS boys, the less said the better.
Omar Berrada gives the impression of a man who seems to know how to operate a football club. As for the INEOS boys, the less said the better.
Let's keep Brexit discussion confined to the CE. We don't want it polluting the football forums.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/brexited-the-worst-threads-live-the-longest.418898/
I love how you quote Yagami’s having family working at United as proof of this sire’s Left-wing alignment
To see people still romanticising the Qatar bid is so strange.
Jonathan Wilson shit-stirring in today's Guardian, pretending he both speaks for and cares about us.
Nothing sells gangbusters like 'United In Crisis' and having an objectionable character like Ratcliffe about gives sweet succour to the shit-stirrers.
My only concern is we Reds start to believe them. Seen a few on here genuinely believing Rock of Gibraltar is the reason we've been Glazered.
Nothing sells gangbusters like 'United In Crisis' and having an objectionable character like Ratcliffe about gives sweet succour to the shit-stirrers.
My only concern is we Reds start to believe them. Seen a few on here genuinely believing Rock of Gibraltar is the reason we've been Glazered.
I still wonder why people take it as fact that the club was bloated in terms of staff. Comparisons with other clubs doesn't really make sense unless we can 1:1 or 0.8:1 the roles considering the various departments. Maybe other clubs outsourced functions that Man Utd dealt with inhouse. And the costs associated weren't dissimilar.
I truly believe INEOS just cut staff because it's what they always do and would have found an excuse for it.
Well said.
Maybe it has something to do with all the shit coming from Jimbo and his mates and them appearing to be pretty clueless with what they've done.
Nope even with Brexit Jim doing typical Brexiteer Tory shite, it’s still nonsensical to be longing for the Qatar bid.
Can you explain what’s funny
The post.
Well, the club is being owned by american oligarchs and a british one. I don't see too much of a difference to be fair. And, if we're talking about a russian oligarch, of course Roman Abramovic comes to mind first. As a club owner he did a lot better job than the Glazers, in fact he did a really good job. Enthusiasm is the key. I also don't want to see oil-rich country as an owner though.
Obviously not. Top level football contracts have evidently little to do with 'standard business practice'. Don't think anyone would suggest we can sack Zirkzee without compensation since he is on his 6 months probation period..
Ashworth is a top level executive who was headhunted out of his Newcastle contract involving a lengthy 'gardening leave' period and a compensation several millions high, that he would have a contract with a 'standard business practice' probationary period where the contract could unilaterally be terminated without compensation within 6 months is patently absurd.
So obvious yet you don’t know and are just a speculating because it suits.
No one suggested there’s zero compensation just that there’s less to consider within 6 months, hence the mutual wording of the club statement.
That's a tad ironic isn't it.
For me that you used the word Bliar. Both in the fact you’re obviously over 12 years old, and also in the context of the rest of your ill conceived, early hours, presumably drink-fuelled-shit-post. Some good satire: 9/10. Would read again
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