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ThierryHenry14 said:
If Raiola is as bad as what people here claimed he would have lost all his clients and out of work already.
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And amazing how many clubs want his clients. For me, people haven't moved on with the times. For better or worse, football has changed. The power is no longer with the greedy football owners, the players are taking more control of their own careers.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Why would he lose them? His clients are apparently fine with being moved on, so neither his clients or him seem to have a big problem with it, i.e Pogba, Haaland, Zlatan. His clients doesn't perceive him as bad, as he convinces them the moves he does are the best moves, both before and after he has stirred up a shitshow.

It's clubs like us who want stable players we can count on that is a bad fit for Raiola as we have succes as our ultimate end-goal. Raiola has earning cash as his end goal, and some of his most profiled players are flexible as to whether they go to club a or club b. Hence he doesn't lose his work. Good for him, sometimes for the players, sometimes/rarely for the clubs.
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Just curious to understand, do you believe it's okay for clubs to keep moving on players/managers and not give them stability when they need it?
 
DixieDean said:
Real and or Barca normally get what they want.
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When you pay the biggest wages in the world and aren't averse to breaking transfer records it's easy to get what you want but things tend to get trickier once you aren't the only one with that capability ,it would be interesting to see how things pan out in summer.
 
Hansi Fick said:
I've been wondering and I can't come to a conclusion, whether Raiola, behind the annoying fanfare and in-your-face publicity, is actually achieving the best he can for his clients, or whether his obsession with playing the field and orchestrating high profile transfer moves is ending up shaping the careers of his clients in a way that might be detrimental?
For example, Ibrahimovic had a glorious career, I'm sure he made truckloads of money and is a global icon, but in terms of actual footballing achievements it somehow feels like he always was at the wrong place at the wrong time, like his moves never transported him into the center of footballing glory? Or am I wrong in that impression?
Pogba, slightly similar feeling. Was the United move really the best move for his career? Financially, probably yes but still I will say no considering Pogba hasn't managed to translate his qualities onto the pitch for the most part, and considering Raiola has been lobbying publicly for an exit ever since, and I can't imagine that this is ultimately great for a player's happiness.

But then again, it struck me in the bolded part of your post - both Ibrahimovic and Haaland are from Skandinavia, from countries with a relatively weak domestic league and no top level 'home club' of sorts where they could start of a career as a club legend. So, being top talents, their trajectory, their aim, will be that of moving elsewhere from the get go.
I wonder if that doesn't play a role here, too, with what kind of career Ibra had and which Haaland might have.
An English player, Spanish player, German player, can always, if they're top talents, move early to an adjacent top club in their country, or in the case of Germany Bayern, (if they're not from their youth already) which can serve as their 'home' club. The need to move, in order to have a top career with top achievements, wouldn't be so primary?
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As much as Raiola might seem to be a dick of most of us, if he is then why do so many players hire him. Answer, he gets top deals or them. If I was in a job where an agent could get me more security, better pay etc, why would I use Johnny Nobody instead?
 
Im not too sure why people are assuming he's coming to United with all the comments Riola has made about us. I think he's going to be the Aguero replacement unfortunately rather than Martial. Really hope im wrong, but if i was going to place a bet thats what it would be on.
 
RedDevilzFox said:
Bad manners annoy everyone when you have to deal with the person! We aren't robots. Flip side of your (somewhat weak) argument is that the club would be willing to give players even better deal if the agent wasn't such a pri.ck.
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If that was so evident I would run away from Raiola if I was a player. On the contrary, he manages to attract some of the best footballers in the continent. How is that possible?

People do all sorts of things out of spite. Just look at Jose and Ole. Only reason clubs tolerate Jose is because he won trophies, as soon as clubs realize that's not happening he is shown the door. On the other hand Ole is likely to get a contract extension, while winning nothing and generally playing mediocre football all year that sometimes looks less organized than a bottom of the table team. Why do you think that is?

Hell its better to have an average team mate who is pleasant to be around than a brilliant one who is a total tw@t. Not a direct analogy but you get the point.
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Difference being, Mourinho represents himself, Raiola represents someone else, and we are just focusing on the latter's techniques during negotiations and whether these (dirty) techniques favor his clients or not under very precise conditions.

Also remember he's an agent! He is not working for you as a player or manager. If Raiola was a player he could probably be the most pleasant guy you've ever seen during negotiations, or just whatever he needs to be to get the best deal.
 
Turnip said:
Im not too sure why people are assuming he's coming to United with all the comments Riola has made about us. I think he's going to be the Aguero replacement unfortunately rather than Martial. Really hope im wrong, but if i was going to place a bet thats what it would be on.
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If we are going by that logic he won't join City either as Raoila hates Pep.

Doesn't mean shit though. He'll join whichever club he wants to irrespective of Railoa's relationship to it.
 
gajender said:
When you pay the biggest wages in the world and aren't averse to breaking transfer records it's easy to get what you want but things tend to get trickier once you aren't the only one with that capability ,it would be interesting to see how things pan out in summer.
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We pay huge wages too, do you ever got the feeling we get who we want?
 
Turnip said:
Im not too sure why people are assuming he's coming to United with all the comments Riola has made about us. I think he's going to be the Aguero replacement unfortunately rather than Martial. Really hope im wrong, but if i was going to place a bet thats what it would be on.
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Raiola has these arguments with everything. It's literally his job. Just look at Ibrahimovic and Guardiola at Barca. Or more recently Donnarumma and Milan. We just have a hyper Utd focus so we think its just us he talks about this way.
 
GatoLoco said:
If that was so evident I would run away from Raiola if I was a player. On the contrary, he manages to attract some of the best footballers in the continent. How is that possible?



Difference being, Mourinho represents himself, Raiola represents someone else, and we are just focusing on the latter's techniques during negotiations and whether these (dirty) techniques favor his clients or not under very precise conditions.

Also remember he's an agent! He is not working for you as a player or manager. If Raiola was a player he could probably be the most pleasant guy you've ever seen during negotiations, or just whatever he needs to be to get the best deal.
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Its possible because Raiola takes care of his clients, but so do others without being nasty. Have you seen the clientele list of Jorge Mendes? And he never has to run his mouth.

You are deliberately trying not to see the point, not sure why.
 
Turnip said:
Im not too sure why people are assuming he's coming to United with all the comments Riola has made about us. I think he's going to be the Aguero replacement unfortunately rather than Martial. Really hope im wrong, but if i was going to place a bet thats what it would be on.
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He's not coming here, I would absolutely love that he does but he won't.
 
They are doing a European trip in the middle of the season, during a pandemic, after just a year at his current club and pimping him out to a bunch of new ones.

I honestly think the lad will bring a circus with him... At the first sign of a difficulty, Mino will be out in the press pleading sympathy for his enslaved charge.
 
gajender said:
No we don't to the Extent of Spanish Giants look at their Barcelona's wages to turnover ratio and it's just not because of Messi either.
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Ridiculous. United are consistently one of the top 3-5 paying clubs in the world.
 
A bit classless from Haaland's entourage, and disrespectful to Dortmund, but I'm assuming they all knew what the deal was going to be, especially given the team's struggles and potential lack of CL. This is clearly a show for the press, and now they got everybody talking, well done.
 
RedDevilzFox said:
Ridiculous. United are consistently one of the top 3-5 paying clubs in the world.
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Yes we are but you again are ignoring my initial point we are nowhere near Spanish Giants in terms of wages paid ,Real and Barcelona pay some crazy wages to individual players which make them highly attractive for players and weren't reluctant to pay big transfer fees on top of that atleast they used to along with their history but if they won't continue to do that they won't be getting the best players in the world .

Psg was suppose to be intermediate stop for Neymar before moving to Madrid atleast that's how many saw it but he is still there and don't be surprised if Mbappe doesn't arrive at Madrid either.
 
The reality is, you have to have good relationships with agents.

However, an agent will only do what a player wants to do. The agent represents the player, not the player represents the agent.
 
red thru&thru said:
Back in the days when Zlatan was at Barca.
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It's actually more recent than that. Pep leaked that Pogba was offered to City by Raiola whilst still being a United player, which pissed Raiola right off.

To be frank, that's what I want from managers and clubs, giving the agents a taste of their own medicine and not planning an entire summer around them.

red thru&thru said:
The reality is, you have to have good relationships with agents.

However, an agent will only do what a player wants to do. The agent represents the player, not the player represents the agent.
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I don't think anyone denies that, but no club needs to deal with Raiola's shit.
 
EngimaMK said:
They are doing a European trip in the middle of the season, during a pandemic, after just a year at his current club and pimping him out to a bunch of new ones.

I honestly think the lad will bring a circus with him... At the first sign of a difficulty, Mino will be out in the press pleading sympathy for his enslaved charge.
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Exactly. Serious alarm bells ringing about what it would be like to have this guy at the club.
 
As good as he is, if he comes here it’ll be 3 or 4 years max before Raiola’s European Roadshow is back...imagining him today like a young Clark Griswold, “look Erling, Big Ben, Parliament.”

Anyway, the figures being talked about are bonkers so I’d rather go balls deep on Kane (oo’er) with him being PL proven and we might get 3 guaranteed top quality years of him in his pomp. Still think he’ll stay at Spurs though the daft bastard.
 
VP89 said:
It's actually more recent than that. Pep leaked that Pogba was offered to City by Raiola whilst still being a United player, which pissed Raiola right off.

To be frank, that's what I want from managers and clubs, giving the agents a taste of their own medicine and not planning an entire summer around them.


I don't think anyone denies that, but no club needs to deal with Raiola's shit.
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100% true, nobody needs to deal with it. With that, they will lose out on some of the top talent. If they happy to do that, the club will need to make a stance and just hope none of their own youngsters team up with him.
 
Sayros said:
A bit classless from Haaland's entourage, and disrespectful to Dortmund, but I'm assuming they all knew what the deal was going to be, especially given the team's struggles and potential lack of CL. This is clearly a show for the press, and now they got everybody talking, well done.
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Nah, Dortmund knew what they were signing up to when they got Haaland. They were always a stepping stone club, a feeder club - and signed him knowing he wouldn't be there for more than a couple of years.

It would be foolish of them to dig their heels in this summer when he could leave for a cut price fee next year - and they know they'll have to let him go if a decent fee is offered, or they'll get stung again like they did with Sancho. A bird in the hand and all that...
 
How do we know that BvB haven't given their blessing for Haaland Snr & Mino to talk with potential suitors??
 
This tour now is also to put pressure on Dortmund to get their act together to finish top 4. For all we know the club might have agreed in the contract that the release clause activates early if they fail to qualify for the CL. Considering they finished top4 in 9 of the last 10 seasons that would be thought to be low risk a year ago.
 
RedDevilzFox said:
Its possible because Raiola takes care of his clients, but so do others without being nasty. Have you seen the clientele list of Jorge Mendes? And he never has to run his mouth.

You are deliberately trying not to see the point, not sure why.
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I see your point. I think the issue is just that we are speaking about very different concepts. You are speaking about economics and morals and I was merely speaking about the economics and how what Raiola does works very well for his players.

Think about a very particular negotiation:

- If Raiola manners are annoying to the club from a negotiation point of view, he's doing his job right.

- If they are excessively annoying and that means the club wants to break the negotiation even though the player was genuinely interested in the club, he goes against his client's best interest. Hence, players will avoid him like the plague.

- And if they don't have any effect, nobody should care in terms of negotiating the best deal for each part.

The summary is that Raiola is not an idiot, and he perfectly knows when he has to be aggressive and when he has to calm down. I don't say he's the best agent in the world, better than Mendes or anything like that (how can we possibly determine that?), but it's clear for everyone to see that his style of negotiation works very well for his clients, otherwise he would never attract guys like Haaland, Ibrahimovic or Pogba.
 
Pep's just said City can't afford him (or Kane) and that's there's more chance of them signing no striker than there is that they do
 
charlenefan said:
Pep's just said City can't afford him (or Kane) and that's there's more chance of them signing no striker than there is that they do
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No surprise, really. I think City can spend €70-80m max this summer plus what they generate from sales (Harrison, Ilic, Herrera). Some no.9 will be signed but maybe Andre Silva is more likely.
 
Barnslig said:
I mean we have players signed to Raiola? And he's done this multiple times already? Talking to Pep about Pogba a couple years ago springs to mind.



There's two sides to this though, isnt it? Is he good for the club his players play at? No. Is he good for his clients? Yes. I have no problems understanding why players chose Raiola as a client, he does an excellent job for them. However, for the club that has to deal with Raiola's thundercnut tactics there's a point where it no longer becomes worth it. And in my opinion, as for Manchester United, Raiola has shown time and time again he has no problems throwing us under the bus for his personal gain, our players, our club, our management and our pride.

As a club, I would like if we made it a policy not to deal with this cretin.
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So are you happy he does this with our players? I’m certainly not and I wouldn’t be as a Dortmund fan either.

I agree with your second point, that from his and his clients POV it’s probably great, which is why he is hired.
 
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