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Toxic? Haaland? haha

I do not get where people get these ideas from. Haaland is like a kid, he shows both happiness when all is well and does not take missing chances and loosing well. And he has humour. He is NOT toxic.. He is far too simple a being for that..
 
Cardboard elk said:
Toxic? Haaland? haha

I do not get where people get these ideas from. Haaland is like a kid, he shows both happiness when all is well and does not take missing chances and loosing well. And he has humour. He is NOT toxic.. He is far too simple a being for that..
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In fairness in those clips I saw of him being interviewed he came across as a absolute arseh@le
 
RedRonaldo said:
Isn't there a new rule limiting the amount of earnings of agent fees, which would be coming into effect sometime after 2021? I am sure Raiola will try to convince his biggest assist, Haaland, for a big move next summer, if thats the case.
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There was talk that the contract is structured so that Raiola and Haaland Sr. get part of the sell-on. It might be to circumvent the agent fee limit that he saw coming.
 
RUCK4444 said:
In fairness in those clips I saw of him being interviewed he came across as a absolute arseh@le
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It is not him being an asshole. It is just him not liking interviews. And he is from a place where the humour and way of being is different from yours. Amongst other things is not using too many words.

As for within the group of a TEAM, which would be the factor relevant to Utd - he means a lot in his team, for showing will and determination with his whole being, and at the same time, he has this Ronaldoesque regime with training, food and habits. And he jokes a lot.

He also is kind of different. Not asshole different. Just kind of.. strange maybe. He has no fear and he does not dwell on stuff.

I like it. It is refreshing. I hope he does not change too much. Political correctness in media is overrated.
 
RUCK4444 said:
In fairness in those clips I saw of him being interviewed he came across as a absolute arseh@le
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You are wrong about him. He has been very popular among his team mates in all the clubs he has played for. He is a weirdo- but in a good way. Jokes a lot, makes people smile, while he is 100% professional, totally dedicated to his training regime, and has an extreme winning mentality.
 
Cardboard elk said:
It is not him being an asshole. It is just him not liking interviews. And he is from a place where the humour and way of being is different from yours. Amongst other things is not using too many words.

As for within the group of a TEAM, which would be the factor relevant to Utd - he means a lot in his team, for showing will and determination with his whole being, and at the same time, he has this Ronaldoesque regime with training, food and habits. And he jokes a lot.

He also is kind of different. Not asshole different. Just kind of.. strange maybe. He has no fear and he does not dwell on stuff.

I like it. It is refreshing. I hope he does not change too much. Political correctness in media is overrated.
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I’m not questioning his dedication and ability.

I just think regardless of his culture there is a universally known way of handling yourself with respect.

I still want us to sign him of course :D
 
georgipep said:
For the rest of your post, I agree 100%, our relative strength with Haaland upfront would be greater than having Martial there and Greenwood+Diallo+James on the right. In an ideal world, we have Martial and Haaland as our two main striker options with Greenwood pushing for a spot too. Then on the right, fingers crossed Diallo and Pellistri both work out, in the meantime Rashford looks like a great stop-gap option.
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I don't think it's realistic for Greenwood to be our #3 striker and I think Diallo and Pellistri need time.

If we'd had say sold Martial and bought Ziyech this past summer we'd be better balanced IMO:

Rashford (James)-------Cavani(Greenwood)---------Ziyech(Diallo)

and then Pellistri can get the playing time he needs on loan or in cups and off the bench and for the U23 if he stays (he was 1 in 30 for Penarol so talented as he no doubt is he won't be ready right away) and probably look to replace Ighalo with a new cheap 3rd attacker, someone who can step right in once Cavani leaves in 18 months (or 30 who knows he looks good and if Greenwood becomes the starter...), ideally a chicharito type who can score goals off the bench but isn't expensive and doesn't mind being a number 2 to Greenwood once he grabs the 9 shirt for good as we all expect.

I do think CB and DM are bigger needs at the moment though. RB too if we're talking January, since Martial is doing okay and Rashford seems alright on the right and we still have Pogba on the left as an option.
 
georgipep said:
As for the potential of Haaland for Martial+Pogba, I would be completely against such a deal. Haaland should be coming to challenge Martial for the striker position, not losing Anthony and be left with Greenwood (who, I guess you are also listing for transfer?) and Cavani.
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Tonight showed why we'd be better off replacing Martial + Pogba (because he wants to leave, it's a different discussion if he was committed and wanted to extend his deal and all that) with a proper PFA team of the year level player like Haaland or Grealish and instead of Van De Beek coming on with 4 minutes to go or Greenwood with half an hour they could play with in my mind very little to no drop off.
 
NoPace said:
Tonight showed why we'd be better off replacing Martial + Pogba (because he wants to leave, it's a different discussion if he was committed and wanted to extend his deal and all that) with a proper PFA team of the year level player like Haaland or Grealish and instead of Van De Beek coming on with 4 minutes to go or Greenwood with half an hour they could play with in my mind very little to no drop off.
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Yeah hope that Grealish replaces Pogba if he does still leave as expected in the summer, we need another creative outlet other than Bruno and don't see anyone else in the team capable of being able to provide that right now. I would take Haaland but pretty certain he won't be going anywhere until next summer and find it unlikely we are willing to sell Martial in order to fund a move for him.
 
Cardboard elk said:
Toxic? Haaland? haha

I do not get where people get these ideas from. Haaland is like a kid, he shows both happiness when all is well and does not take missing chances and loosing well. And he has humour. He is NOT toxic.. He is far too simple a being for that..
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Yeah Mino is the toxic one not Erling
 
croadyman said:
Yeah hope that Grealish replaces Pogba if he does still leave as expected in the summer, we need another creative outlet other than Bruno and don't see anyone else in the team capable of being able to provide that right now. I would take Haaland but pretty certain he won't be going anywhere until next summer and find it unlikely we are willing to sell Martial in order to fund a move for him.
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we would 100% sell martial to fund a move for Haaland. I have zero doubts about that.

Martial is a good player, but that’s all he will ever be, and frankly he’s not good enough to be a no 9 at a top club. He could be an excellent inside left forward, but we have Rashford who is better than him. I’m not saying we should ditch him, but if he’s sacrificed to get Haaland, then it’s a no brainier of a decision. Gone.
 
He is like one of the most likeable eccentrics out there. What are people on about him being toxic.
 
Jibbs said:
He is like one of the most likeable eccentrics out there. What are people on about him being toxic.
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No idea to be honest, he may come across a bit odd in interviews but if he bangs in the goals for the team then quite frankly couldn't give a feck about that
 
He is the kind of guy that gets angry for missing a half-chance at 5-0 and already on four goals, Martial semi runs after a long ball on 0-1 and looks a bit miffed before strolling back home before the eventual goal-kick. Even Lukaku was hungrier than Martial, and he almost never scored more than one goal a game. Haaland would be a game-changer for many years.
 
James Peril said:
He is the kind of guy that gets angry for missing a half-chance at 5-0 and already on four goals, Martial semi runs after a long ball on 0-1 and looks a bit miffed before strolling back home before the eventual goal-kick. Even Lukaku was hungrier than Martial, and he almost never scored more than one goal a game. Haaland would be a game-changer for many years.
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Yeah no doubt about that and hopefully Ole sees sense on this one when he is available next summer
 
Its quite obvious we need a proven striker and not Sancho. Haaland comes with Raiola, probably the only downside to this. If I were to break the bank, it would be this kid. Martial and Rashford, while great in their own way, are NOT the strikers answer we need. I'd sell Pogba and Martial to finance Haaland although it would be ideal if we could keep Martial.
 
James Peril said:
Even Lukaku was hungrier than Martial
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No shit. He could have kept Manchester’s economy going with his trips to Greggs. Fat, unfit waste of space.

would take Martial over Lukaku every day of the week, but would take Haaland/ Calvert- Lewin over Martial as well. He’s just not good enough as a striker. Inside left forward is his best position, and him and Rashford should be fighting for the same position.
 
RedDevilzFox said:
Its quite obvious we need a proven striker and not Sancho. Haaland comes with Raiola, probably the only downside to this. If I were to break the bank, it would be this kid. Martial and Rashford, while great in their own way, are NOT the strikers answer we need. I'd sell Pogba and Martial to finance Haaland, if needed although it would be ideal if we could keep Martial.
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Yeah I would as well but they wouldn't sell him under Jose so not convinced they would next summer
 
croadyman said:
Yeah I would as well but they wouldn't sell him under Jose so not convinced they would next summer
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I could understand not selling under Jose as Jose is a toxic person that lost not just fans but also the people above him.

Now is different. Pogba has been quite clear he'd rather go. So that's a no brainer.
Martial I would prefer to keep, so if they can pony up the cash, maybe just sell Pogba. If not, bite the bullet and sell Martial.
 
RedDevilzFox said:
I could understand not selling under Jose as Jose is a toxic person that lost not just fans but also the people above him.

Now is different. Pogba has been quite clear he'd rather go. So that's a no brainer.
Martial I would prefer to keep, so if they can pony up the cash, maybe just sell Pogba. If not, bite the bullet and sell Martial.
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We need Grealish & Haaland in these next two summer windows in my opinion and selling Pogba would not be able to fund both signings that's for sure
 
NoPace said:
Tonight showed why we'd be better off replacing Martial + Pogba (because he wants to leave, it's a different discussion if he was committed and wanted to extend his deal and all that) with a proper PFA team of the year level player like Haaland or Grealish and instead of Van De Beek coming on with 4 minutes to go or Greenwood with half an hour they could play with in my mind very little to no drop off.
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I really hope our team doesn't make transfer decisions based on one game. Martial is our player of the year last season, btw.
 
we have to do everything necessary to get this guy. We need a top-class goal scorer and he seems to be the best one even vaguely available right now (Dybala?). If that means telling his tosser agent that said tosser is the greatest human being on the planet, then so be it
 
troylocker said:
I agree that their original plan was for him to stay for 2,5 years and then choose his next destination, but things have changed a bit since he signed that contract. The original plan when he went to Salzburg was also more long term than what actually happened. Dortmund is struggling at the moment, Favre is gone and they will have to up their game to get a CL spot next year. The Haalands could not know that he would hit the ground running like he did either. There is no reason why they wouldn't consider an offer before 2022 if BVB accepts it and it is the right club in the other end.
I think he will stay till 2022 though, but I would like our chances better if we cut off the competition and made an offer for marked value, which is a lot higher than his clause, before that.

We don't have to be the best in England or the world, but if that's our ambition; there lies our path
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If Dortmand sells their contract with Erling Haaland, there is no requirement or reason for the Haalands to negotiate and sign a new contract with the purchasing team. The Haalands are looking for a record contract for a football player in the summer of 2022. Because of the 68m release clause that becomes effective in the summer of 2022, the bidding war will be for the record contract that Erling Haaland will sign in the summer of 2022, not a record transfer fee for Dortmand. With the current contract and the release clause that takes effect in the summer of 2022, the Haalands control Erling's future, not Dortmand.
 
yo@Kirk said:
If Dortmand sells their contract with Erling Haaland, there is no requirement or reason for the Haalands to negotiate and sign a new contract with the purchasing team. The Haalands are looking for a record contract for a football player in the summer of 2022. Because of the 68m release clause that becomes effective in the summer of 2022, the bidding war will be for the record contract that Erling Haaland will sign in the summer of 2022, not a record transfer fee for Dortmand. With the current contract and the release clause that takes effect in the summer of 2022, the Haalands control Erling's future, not Dortmand.
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If Dortmund should accept an offer before the clause kicks in, there is obviously no guarantee Haaland would come to an agreement with a potential buyer, and I think the buyer would have to offer him very good terms for him to ever consider it. It is most likely that he will stay in Dortmund till the clause kicks in, but I would like our chances better if we went for him sooner with less competition for his signature.

Edit: I think I might have missed your point a bit here. I don't think Dortmund would sell his contract though. A world class beast of a striker on 100k/week with a guaranteed 68M payday 18 months down the road. Nope. I can't see who would buy him with that contract either.
 
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georgipep said:
I really hope our team doesn't make transfer decisions based on one game. Martial is our player of the year last season, btw.
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We were poor and Bruno was leagues above, even missing half the season he was far more valuable compared to a replacement 10 than Martial to a replacement 9. I hope we don't let our players make transfer decisions.

Martial is 25 and has massive holes in his game so he could shore those up and become say a 30th percentile striker in the box/from crosses for a prem striker instead of the 5-10th percentile he's at and be the quality 9 we need, because he's excellent at dropping deep to pick up the ball and normally a fine dribbler (not so much lately but probably that's not permanent).

But he's not on the level of a Bruno or Rashford and if Greenwood is going to be the 20+ goals in the league central striker he projects as based on his stats and frankly the eye test, then Martial is on the clock to make the leap, or he'll be a backup who wants a move.

1 in 25 for France is really astonishing.

I think a healthy United competing on 3 fronts is best with Martial backing up Rashford at LW and a first choice #9 like Haaland, with a RW and Diallo competing on the opposite side, but Greenwood is pretty damn good but presumably not ready to be our first choice #9 (though who knows he might score enough goals up top that playing him while he learns the overall game isn't a hard pill to swallow, the kid can really finish), so it's a bit of a puzzle.

Martial (Rashford, James)----Cavani(Greenwood)-----Rashford (Diallo, Greenwood)

is that enough playing time for Greenwood and Martial and is it worth moving Rashford at RW?

Replacing Cavani in 18 months in the summer of 2022 when his contract runs out with an elite #9 and selling Martial and moving Greenwood centrally seems like the obvious move to me:

Rashford(James, Pellistri)------Haaland(Greenwood)-------Diallo(Greenwood, Pellistri)

but that's putting a lot on the kids at RW, so maybe it would be:

Martial(Rashford, Pellistri)------Haaland(Greenwood, Martial)-------Rashford(Greenwood, Pellistri)

and James will be the one to go.

Need a survey:
1. How good will Martial be from age 25-28?
2. Is Rashford better on the left than the right and by how much? Is there a chance he actually be a 9?
3. Can, will and should we buy Grealish, Sancho or Haaland as the 2nd absolute feck off starter in the front 3 along with Rashford?
4. Who fits best with Bruno?
5. How good are Greeenwood and Diallo (and how quickly will they be good?)?
6. If we played Greenwood and Cavani up top instead of Martial how many more or less goals would we score?

Lot to unpack after the obvious conclusions of Rashford being our LW ideally and Greenwood needing playing time, for me.
 
I'd sign him. He's a top class player and those are the ones we should be looking to bring in. That fat agent of his of course will be pushing him to move like he does all his clients but it's worth the risk. In 2 years time Madrid might not need him and who knows he could become settled and happy here. It's definitely worth the risk. Besides if you look at our history, of all the great players we've had, very few actually wanted to leave that we wanted to keep. Ronaldo is pretty much the only one and it's borderline with Tevez. We've sold great players like Ruud, Beckham and Stam but those were sold because the manager or board (Stam, you can't convince me otherwise) wanted or needed them gone.
 
It's doubtful that Haaland will come to United...

United might be the biggest club on paper, but they are no longer amongst the top dogs in regards to wealthy ownership.

He will most likely go to a super team like Man City or Chelsea that can purchase as many players as they like on a whim to build a superteam. United is a bit like Liverpool...budget FC champions.
 
Why would people like to do this to themselves again? Riola comes with this kid so do we really need another warning?
He is very talented to say the least but I don´t want us to come close to Riola ever again so that outweighs it for me.
Apart from that it seems that Ole had been trying to get him to move to Utd well before he came manager but our club just wasn´t interested.
 
arthurka said:
Why would people like to do this to themselves again? Riola comes with this kid so do we really need another warning?
He is very talented to say the least but I don´t want us to come close to Riola ever again so that outweighs it for me.
Apart from that it seems that Ole had been trying to get him to move to Utd well before he came manager but our club just wasn´t interested.
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we wouldn't have cared about
Rialo's crying if Pogba wasn't a wuss. Haaland doesn't seem like someone who stops performing or giving his best, just because he doesn't feel loved. Dude has that Cristiano like hunger. Although he is also bit of a mercenary, so once he wins big trophies, would probably move away.
 
Lord SInister said:
we wouldn't have cared about
Rialo's crying if Pogba wasn't a wuss. Haaland doesn't seem like someone who stops performing or giving his best, just because he doesn't feel loved. Dude has that Cristiano like hunger. Although he is also bit of a mercenary, so once he wins big trophies, would probably move away.
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Sorry, what? Haaland is the latest person to receive the mercenary tag? :lol:
 
Brad2020 said:
It's doubtful that Haaland will come to United...

United might be the biggest club on paper, but they are no longer amongst the top dogs in regards to wealthy ownership.

He will most likely go to a super team like Man City or Chelsea that can purchase as many players as they like on a whim to build a superteam. United is a bit like Liverpool...budget FC champions.
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What an awful take - you know FFP is still a thing right?

Anyway nobody is going to bid more for him than we can, and if they do then they're massively overpaying.

The simple issue is he will end up where he wants.
 
Adam-Utd said:
What an awful take - you know FFP is still a thing right?

Anyway nobody is going to bid more for him than we can, and if they do then they're massively overpaying.

The simple issue is he will end up where he wants.
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ffp certainly did its job putting City in their place

Doubt they will really care about overpaying.

aHe will end up where his father and disgusting agent lead him.
 
Denis' cuff said:
ffp certainly did its job putting City in their place

Doubt they will really care about overpaying.

aHe will end up where his father and disgusting agent lead him.
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City haven't paid more than us in recent years so it proves it is working.

The fact is they just used their money wiser than we did. If Haaland is happy to come here then of course we will pay whats required.
 
Brad2020 said:
It's doubtful that Haaland will come to United...

United might be the biggest club on paper, but they are no longer amongst the top dogs in regards to wealthy ownership.

He will most likely go to a super team like Man City or Chelsea that can purchase as many players as they like on a whim to build a superteam. United is a bit like Liverpool...budget FC champions.
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Nonsense. We're not champions and don't compare our budget to Liverpool. Our spend in the last 7 years is second only to City I think. We may even be first.
 
Adam-Utd said:
City haven't paid more than us in recent years so it proves it is working.

The fact is they just used their money wiser than we did. If Haaland is happy to come here then of course we will pay whats required.
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you don’t know much about City, do you? if ffp was working, they would have the budget of Norwich

they haven’t. They just spent a lot more of somebody else’s money. Occasionally spent ”wisely” but that is relative.
 
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