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RUCK4444 said:
It depends on their financial situation though. Dortmund depend a lot on buying cheap and selling high.

They’ve made this exact mistake with Sancho last summer, they could have gotten a big fee from us and turned it down, he’s likely to leave a lot cheaper now with one year less on his contract and after a mediocre season, they will only compound that financial loss by doing the same with Haaland.

I guess we will see how deep Dortmund’s pockets are.

Personally I think they would be mental, these are players that are both earmarked to be leaving the club, its their obligation to get as much money as they can particularly when you factor in lost revenues from Covid.

In my opinion the financial loss for what are temporary players anyway outweighs the benefit of keeping him.
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Ideally they keep Sancho and Haaland as long as they can and build a solid team with them but now even with Haaland impressive record they aren't in a comfortable position. So like you said it depends on their financial situation so the more important for them to secure top 4. They do operate developing players and selling them much more expensive what they paid for but they do need to build some momentum with each iteration of their squad and plan ahead before selling their best players.

Like I said ideally they would want to hold onto Haaland as long as he's willing to play for them as I think he's an exceptional talent right now but like many people pointed out there's that clause in his contract which I interpret as a safe to avoid a situation like Pogba or Neymar, Mbappe where their club would set a ver high price to sell them and the player would feel stucked in said club. In fact I think is a good mechanism in order to stop overpricing players each season and getting them for a more reasonable price and the player having more freedom to move to a different club.
 
Harold_Giles said:
A question for the Real Madrid supporters.

For me it has always been a matter of time before you got Mbappe.
I'm really struggling to see how you bring in both Mbappe and Haaland.
You think Haaland is now the main target?
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The main target would be both of them but Haaland seems the more attainable at the moment and more reasonable priced. As for Mbappe Zidane definitely wants him and as long as he's our manager there are going to be strong links with him and he will be a target. So I think is doable, if they do want to join Real Madrid I'm sure they will end here eventually.

Personally I think we need more Haaland in our current state but Mbappe would be fantastic as well. I think most fans would be happy with getting any of them this summer after the massive failure Hazard has turned into. I'm thinking maybe we can ship Jovic to Dortmund and Hazard to PSG plus money in order to get them.
 
HJ12 said:
Werner + some cash?
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I dunno. I think werner is worth persisting with for another year. There's something there with him. Whilst he has missed a shitload of easy chances tbf to the lad he's not hid on the pitch like other I've seen in the past and he's kept going. If he can sort his finishing out (which has never been an issue for him like this) he will score a shitload for us.
 
Acheron said:
The main target would be both of them but Haaland seems the more attainable at the moment and more reasonable priced. As for Mbappe Zidane definitely wants him and as long as he's our manager there are going to be strong links with him and he will be a target. So I think is doable, if they do want to join Real Madrid I'm sure they will end here eventually.

Personally I think we need more Haaland in our current state but Mbappe would be fantastic as well. I think most fans would be happy with getting any of them this summer after the massive failure Hazard has turned into. I'm thinking maybe we can ship Jovic to Dortmund and Hazard to PSG plus money in order to get them.
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Just out of interest, but how are Real planning on financing either transfer? Last time I looked you:

A) Had a debt of €900m, with is rumoured that you have a €200m short term loan to a US Bank maturing in 2021.

B ) A squad of players that are either overpaid and old (so you cannot sell unless you're playing back of a fag packet maths) or young and developing (so you will want to keep)

C) No more access to dodgy deals with the Spanish government where you sell a a parking lot or something for €1bn then rent it for peanuts.

D) Currently renovating your stadium at around €500m.

I honestly just do not see where or how you can raise the cash, especially if Dortmund ask for a significant proportion upfront like City, PSG and Chelsea will all be willing to do owing to their owners own personal finances.
 
Pow said:
Gwaarn roman !
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You've got Havertz who doesn't seem to be an attacking midfielder as initially billed to be, but rather a second striker/false 9. As well as Werner who won't be easy to sell. Plus you spend an enormous amount last season too.

I still feel he will go in 2022 and all this hype right now isn't worth it. And I fancy Bayern, Madrid or City once that time comes - Teams that are ready to go big for the CL immediately.
 
ivaldo said:
Because you get him earlier then if you buy him next summer.
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Doesn't make any sense. He's available for half the price next summer. Given the Covid affected market, I don't see how clubs can justify spending an extra 75-100 million on a player for one extra year. Plus Raiola and Haaland stand to make more from the deal in terms of their bonuses if clubs spend less in terms of transfer fees.

Seems like speculation that just serves clubs in exciting their fans and bigging up their ambitions, and the players team in building up more hype.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
You've got Havertz who doesn't seem to be an attacking midfielder as initially billed to be, but rather a second striker/false 9. As well as Werner who won't be easy to sell. Plus you spend an enormous amount last season too.

I still feel he will go in 2022 and all this hype right now isn't worth it. And I fancy Bayern, Madrid or City once that time comes - Teams that are ready to go big for the CL immediately.
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? Both tammy and giroud are likely on their way out. We absolutely will be in for a striker. Neither werner nor havertz needs to be sold.
 
Pow said:
? Both tammy and giroud are likely on their way out. We absolutely will be in for a striker. Neither werner nor havertz needs to be sold.
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I didn't know Abraham was set to leave. But you can't compare Giroud with those two. He's happy being backup, they won't.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I didn't know Abraham was set to leave. But you can't compare Giroud with those two. He's happy being backup, they won't.
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Firstly, either of their form hardly warrants being able to kick up a fuss and demand starting berths.
Secondly both can play either side of the striker in this formation.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Doesn't make any sense. He's available for half the price next summer. Given the Covid affected market, I don't see how clubs can justify spending an extra 75-100 million on a player for one extra year. Plus Raiola and Haaland stand to make more from the deal in terms of their bonuses if clubs spend less in terms of transfer fees.

Seems like speculation that just serves clubs in exciting their fans and bigging up their ambitions, and the players team in building up more hype.
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And likewise from Dortmund’s point of view they will receive potentially twice as much if they sell him this summer.

If I am Dortmund and an offer of £100m comes in, late in the window, I take it. And as soon as one offer had been made/accepted, the floodgates open and the auction begins. It’s purely a question of which club is prepared to stump up a little more cash to try to get him a year early and with fewer rival bids.

If I am United and I can spend £100m to get him this summer, or £75m to be in a massive bidding war next summer, I know which one I choose.
 
Dave Smith said:
Just out of interest, but how are Real planning on financing either transfer? Last time I looked you:

A) Had a debt of €900m, with is rumoured that you have a €200m short term loan to a US Bank maturing in 2021.

B ) A squad of players that are either overpaid and old (so you cannot sell unless you're playing back of a fag packet maths) or young and developing (so you will want to keep)

C) No more access to dodgy deals with the Spanish government where you sell a a parking lot or something for €1bn then rent it for peanuts.

D) Currently renovating your stadium at around €500m.

I honestly just do not see where or how you can raise the cash, especially if Dortmund ask for a significant proportion upfront like City, PSG and Chelsea will all be willing to do owing to their owners own personal finances.
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Madrid have a €400mil credit line available to them that Perez hasn't decided to use yet.
 
Dave Smith said:
Just out of interest, but how are Real planning on financing either transfer? Last time I looked you:

A) Had a debt of €900m, with is rumoured that you have a €200m short term loan to a US Bank maturing in 2021.

B ) A squad of players that are either overpaid and old (so you cannot sell unless you're playing back of a fag packet maths) or young and developing (so you will want to keep)

C) No more access to dodgy deals with the Spanish government where you sell a a parking lot or something for €1bn then rent it for peanuts.

D) Currently renovating your stadium at around €500m.

I honestly just do not see where or how you can raise the cash, especially if Dortmund ask for a significant proportion upfront like City, PSG and Chelsea will all be willing to do owing to their owners own personal finances.
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I normally don't like to speak about things I don't know in detail, but my understanding is that Real Madrid has the best economic situation in La Liga alongside Sevilla. It is also one of the few clubs that, in spite of the pandemic, has obtained benefits.

Take into account Florentino has just made big investment in one out of the last five years. The rest of years he has been saving like crazy. It doesn't make sense that a club with huge income that saves so exhaustively turns out to be in a very bad financial situation out of a sudden. When I speak about saving like crazy I mean there have been several dozens of clubs all over the world that have spent more during that time, which for some reason, hasn't called anyone's attention here. This is one of the variables I thought of, that I believed barely nobody was contemplating here.

It is also my understanding that the first installment of the stadium will be paid in 2023, which is very handy for the club if it is finished in 2022 thanks to the pandemic (Real Madrid currently plays their games in the Alfredo di Stefano stadium).
 
By going in for him this summer you (hopefully) avoid a lot of the competition, who may be unwilling to ‘overpay’ this year.

It also demonstrates how strong your desire is to land him. Make him feel wanted enough and it may just tip the scales.

Add to that, given his obvious quality, the release clause seems like an absolute bargain (as opposed to 100-150m etc being ‘overpaying’).

If we manage to pull off the transfer next year for the release clause it would be incredible but I definitely think it’s smart to try and skip the line, especially considering there’s virtually 0 chance of landing Mbappe (unless something changes).
 
Crustanoid said:
Crucially the people at the top didn’t go all out to sign them, which is what we would have done before this ownership.

Hence, we don’t sign the best young players anymore because of a cross between greed, incompetence, and them actually not giving a shit about football
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We gave Bellingham and his family an tour around every corner of Utd and Carrington. We even had Sir Alex and Cantona trying to talk him into joining Utd. It's not our fault at 16 he feared whether he'd get games over the likes of Pogba and Bruno BVB were ALWAYS going to give him the game time he wanted as they do with youngsters of any age.
Solskjaer personally went to see Haaland and his Dad to talk him into coming to Utd but the insistence on a buy out clause was always going to be a turn off not even the likes of Madrid/PSG/Barca would agree to such demands other wise we were ready to pay the fee and wages. We all love to give Utd a berating due to how toxic things can be around the club and rightfully so in some instances but not getting Haaland/Jude is not one of them
 
Walrus said:
And likewise from Dortmund’s point of view they will receive potentially twice as much if they sell him this summer.

If I am Dortmund and an offer of £100m comes in, late in the window, I take it. And as soon as one offer had been made/accepted, the floodgates open and the auction begins. It’s purely a question of which club is prepared to stump up a little more cash to try to get him a year early and with fewer rival bids.

If I am United and I can spend £100m to get him this summer, or £75m to be in a massive bidding war next summer, I know which one I choose.
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IF we didn't have massive holes in the squad behind him at CB, CDM & RW then would totally be up for spending over £100m on him but feel we need to address at least two of these three main issues this summer but doubt it happens with this board
 
Dave Smith said:
Just out of interest, but how are Real planning on financing either transfer?
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Just like City and PSG have endless oil money, they have endless supplies of gold stolen from the Aztecs.
 
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Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
I imagine it's been mentioned and answered but why does anyone buy Haaland this summer?!
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In theory you can avoid the inevitable bidding war that will occur for Haaland's services next summer and get a free run now. I'm sure Dortmund would be up for that but I would imagine it's in Haaland's interests to wait out another year.
 
RkkMan said:
We gave Bellingham and his family an tour around every corner of Utd and Carrington. We even had Sir Alex and Cantona trying to talk him into joining Utd. It's not our fault at 16 he feared whether he'd get games over the likes of Pogba and Bruno BVB were ALWAYS going to give him the game time he wanted as they do with youngsters of any age.
Solskjaer personally went to see Haaland and his Dad to talk him into coming to Utd but the insistence on a buy out clause was always going to be a turn off not even the likes of Madrid/PSG/Barca would agree to such demands other wise we were ready to pay the fee and wages. We all love to give Utd a berating due to how toxic things can be around the club and rightfully so in some instances but not getting Haaland/Jude is not one of them
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Dortmund paid Bellingham more and we didn’t match it. Same thing with changing the Upamecano deal at the last minute. Ineptitude from the top. I get people are sick of all the negativity surrounding the club but a lot of it has to do the owners and/or Ed who are happy to give 33/34 year old and injured players massive deals but they mess around on transfers for players that could be potentially worth crazy money in the future. I hope we can work towards fixing this. leave the football decisions with the management. If Ole had got Haaland and Bellingham when he wanted them he’d have saved the club 100 million at least, we wouldn’t have to get involved in bidding wars we won’t win and the first team would currently be in even better shape
 
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Ali Dia said:
Dortmund paid Bellingham more and we didn’t match it. Same thing with changing the Upamecano deal at the last minute. Ineptitude from the top. I get people are sick of all the negativity surrounding the club but a lot of it has to do the owners and/or Ed who are happy to give 33/34 year old and injured players massive deals but they mess around on transfers for players that could be potentially worth crazy money.
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Heard on a reputable podcast (Totally Football Show I think it was) that Upamecano was close to us before Leipzig in fact. But we were being stingy on the accommodation for him as a teenager.
 
VP89 said:
Heard on a reputable podcast (Totally Football Show I think it was) that Upamecano was close to us before Leipzig in fact. But we were being stingy on the accommodation for him as a teenager.
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ya that’s what happened as far as I heard. He wanted his own place instead of digs. Not the worst when you consider he was getting interest from all over. Yet another cracking decision there in hindsight.
 
CM10 said:
In theory you can avoid the inevitable bidding war that will occur for Haaland's services next summer and get a free run now. I'm sure Dortmund would be up for that but I would imagine it's in Haaland's interests to wait out another year.
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Bidding war? He has a release cause?
 
CM10 said:
There are still signing on fees, agent fees and wages to pay for. That's why I still expect Haaland to stay another season, more interest means more money.
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I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if Raiola etc gets a cut of the buy out clause as well. Plus if its 180m this year and he stays 12 months he can go for 100m odd and pocket rest in bonuses.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
I imagine it's been mentioned and answered but why does anyone buy Haaland this summer?!
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I thought the answer is pretty obvious.

Buying him now for a higher price gives you a better chance of getting him than next summer when his price is guaranteed at a lower price but there are a lot more potential buyers.
 
Weird that some people are surprised he doesn't look as spectacular for Norway.

Ever seen Poland play with Lewangoalski?

Footy is a 11 v 11 team game and if your ten teammates are ... well, Norwegians, there's not much you can do.
 
Dave Smith said:
Just out of interest, but how are Real planning on financing either transfer? Last time I looked you:

A) Had a debt of €900m, with is rumoured that you have a €200m short term loan to a US Bank maturing in 2021.

B ) A squad of players that are either overpaid and old (so you cannot sell unless you're playing back of a fag packet maths) or young and developing (so you will want to keep)

C) No more access to dodgy deals with the Spanish government where you sell a a parking lot or something for €1bn then rent it for peanuts.

D) Currently renovating your stadium at around €500m.

I honestly just do not see where or how you can raise the cash, especially if Dortmund ask for a significant proportion upfront like City, PSG and Chelsea will all be willing to do owing to their owners own personal finances.
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Others have answered yet but it should be something very doable, in Haaland's case, if both parts are determined to it. Since Zidane first took over the team hasn't changed that much, and we only tried to spend big recently when signing Hazard but the team isn't winning champions league every season anymore and we haven't quite replaced Ronaldo properly so every season is more imminent a Mbappe/Haaland type of signing.
 
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Sarr is not a first 11 player. He's more of a bench player who can start occasionally. Once again we overload our squad with mediocre players. We need to get a player whose off a similar calibre as Sancho for the RW. It's been over a decade now where we've been using players who are not specialists to play in that position. And if we don't get Haaland, we're stuck with an average player for the RW and probably another mediocre signing for the ST role.
 
I have a feeling this thread could be locked later this summer after tonight's news
 
Everyone knew Aguero was gone this summer. Confirming it changes nothing. Why do people drama queen.
 
Nero said:
Everyone knew Aguero was gone this summer. Confirming it changes nothing. Why do people drama queen.
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Because it will make me feel physically sick seeing one of the best 9's in the world playing for our City rivals
 
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