Erling Haaland | Dortmund player

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Rashford has shown no where near the consistency in his ability as sancho. This season is the first one he has even been remotely consistent. Whereas as soon as sacho dropped into this level he has shown consistency. As potential talents sancho is a level above rashford. Haaland is a whole level above both.

The level between the Bundesliga and the Premier League is significantly different bar Bayern, Dortmund & Leipzig.

Even as a character there are many instances where Sancho hasn’t been completely professional, he even came out of lockdown a bit overweight. Rashford has a much better mentality and a higher ceiling. I guarantee Rashford would break records in the Bundesliga.

 

[Zehner]

If I try hard enough I can find your posts on Hazard saying numbers are not enough to judge players or something close to that.

So Sancho completes 1 dribble more in every 2 games and he is way better dribbler. This is the exaggerated posts I'm talking about, screaming for attention.

Yeah, that's what I summed up with "Haaland is a striker, Rashford is a winger". That point was effectively disproved by the "Haaland has special statistics for a striker, too, while Rashford has average statistics even for a winger"-part. And because you didn't want to admit that, you tried to change the topic to the argument that a winger doesn't define himself through scoring stats. Which is correct, by the way, but wasn't the point we were discussing. You only brought it up because you tried to distract from the fact that your previous argument was pretty hollow.

Do as you please, I agree with that and don't deny it. Thing is, Sancho is better at both output and general contribution.

So if I give list of forums I post, will I go up in your estimation?

That logic is just brilliant btw.

You will go up in my estimation if you post something that's not as openly biased and close minded as your posts in this thread.

Settle down, please! Surely there are better ways to iron out the differences of opinion?

@Zehner @roonster09

You're correct. Was my last post in this dispute, I promise

 

[roonster09]

You will go up in my estimation if you post something that's not as openly biased and close minded as your posts in this thread.

So saying Sancho is better dribbler but not much better dribbler or pure 9 numbers shouldn't be compared with wingers is biased. Sure

@Invictus I'm done too.

 

[mancan92]

Rashford plays in a tougher league for a struggling team.

For England he is as good or better.

Forget all that we are talking about the consistency of what a player has been able to produce and sancho has been playing in the champions league for 2 seasons so he has been playing at a higher level than rashford.

For England that's a different discussion since sancho has come in very young and has only 11 appearances where 6 were sub appearance not enough time to even have that discussion. The next qualifying campaign is when you could start judging since he will be starting.

 

[SportingCP96]

Yes of course i am because he is PL proven at the biggest team in the world and has shone on many occasion for his country. I can't believe i am alone in the opinion, people are so blinded by YouTube, Sancho has looked pretty shit in big games and for England and Haaland whilst scoring lots of goals isn't as good a player Rashford is.

Rashford the jury is still out on if he will be a world class player.

I have no doubt in my mind Haaland and Sancho will be world class.

I get It though because in England if a player comes through there academy they are hyped up until they finally drop.

Rashford is good...but if you give me all 3 players and say "pick 1 to start your team" Rashford would be the last of those 3 picked.

 

[roonster09]

Forget all that we are talking about the consistency of what a player has been able to produce and sancho has been playing in the champions league for 2 seasons so he has been playing at a higher level than rashford.

For England that's a different discussion since sancho has come in very young and has only 11 appearances where 6 were sub appearance not enough time to even have that discussion. The next qualifying campaign is when you could start judging since he will be starting.

IIRC Rashford numbers are better in CL than Sancho's.

 

[RedSky]

Rashfords a brilliant goal scoring wide forward. His numbers this season are incredible. Whoscored has him as 3rd in the top 5 leagues for goals per minute in wide positions (Messi 1st, Auba 2nd). Sancho is in a different world when it comes to creativity though thats why he'd be a brilliant addition to our forward line if we could get him.

As for Haland, he's clearly an awesome player already, scoring a range of different goals already for Dortmund.

 

[mancan92]

The level between the Bundesliga and the Premier League is significantly different bar Bayern, Dortmund & Leipzig.

Even as a character there are many instances where Sancho hasn’t been completely professional, he even came out of lockdown a bit overweight. Rashford has a much better mentality and a higher ceiling. I guarantee Rashford would break records in the Bundesliga.

What has the other stuff got to do with it?

We are talking about the players and their abilities. I don't see how anyone can see their ages and watch them play and say rashford has a higher ceiling. Sancho already has more to his game than rashford does and is 2 years younger.

I hope rashford can become that consistent player but let's be honest there were huge questions of him as a player at the beginning of the season. Let him put it together over a full season before hyping him up.

 

[SportingCP96]

Rashford plays in a tougher league for a struggling team.

For England he is as good or better.

What the hell does what he do in England have to do with it? for one he has played more games In the NT so has more experience there and 2 some players perform better for there country? I can name you 2 right now.

Bendntner for Denmark was always fantastic.

Crouch for England had a great record too and he is as bang average as they come.

 

[GledTheRed]

Rashford has shown no where near the consistency in his ability as sancho. This season is the first one he has even been remotely consistent. Whereas as soon as sacho dropped into this level he has shown consistency. As potential talents sancho is a level above rashford. Haaland is a whole level above both.

Disagree with the last bit totally.

 

[SportingCP96]

People are getting things confused here. No one is saying Rashford is bad but rather not better then superior talents.

Rashford is a good player?..yes

Is he better then Sancho or have a higher ceiling? no

is he better then Haaland? no

this is almost like the stupid debate of "Rashford vs mbappe" and we all know they don't even being in the same sentence.

PS: Haaland will probably be the best striker in the world in the future.

 

[Drainy]

What the hell does what he do in England have to do with it? for one he has played more games In the NT so has more experience there and 2 some players perform better for there country? I can name you 2 right now.

Bendntner for Denmark was always fantastic.

Crouch for England had a great record too and he is as bang average as they come.

Comparing two players who play similar positions for the same national team. Should be pretty straightforward for anyone with half a brain to understand why it could be used to compare their levels.

The Bundesliga is a lower level than the Premier league and man utd are in a difficult period so attackers are not being as able to show their level.

 

[Zehner]

I dont know whats vague about taking Uniteds attack on his shoulders and putting City, Liverpool etc constantly through the ringer. Not once or twice but some of the best defenders in the world constantly struggle to keep Marcus at bay.
I thought Demeble would be a world beater. Two footed, fast and a goal threat but when he isnt beating lower cannon fodder he has fallen off a cliff.
So no, terrorising lesser sides does not automatically translate.
You get players like Rashford who will find a way to influence a game no matter how good the opposition is and you have players like Zaha who has all the skills when the pressure isnt there.
Look, im not saying anyone is a bad player here but there are levels to this. Rashford has shown he belongs at the top table and this season he has added the consistency v lower sides to his game. Keep this rate of improvement up and we are talking about a serious player.
The problem with Sancho is that he doesnt have the opportunity to play in many big games for Dortmund so we dont know if he has that mentality.

See, that's what I mean, this is still vague. It's result-oriented thinking. With a player like Lukaku, it makes sense that he's a flat track bully because his skill set is limited. He's heavy on the ball, has a very high center of gravity and thus it's hard for him to create his own chances etc. But Sancho is a world class dribbler, he is a world class passer, he has great understanding of space and timing, he is a composed and skillful finisher, he's as composed as it gets, his accelartion is top notch and his top speed still very good - what makes you think he wouldn't perform against big teams? I just think your logic is flawed because there are so many variables he can't effect in the equation. I mean, Cristiano and Messi have never scored in the knockout matches of the WC - does that make them flat track bullies as well or are there simply coincidences that prevented them from doing so?

Here's a video of Sancho against PSG by the way. Although they went out he had a pretty good performance over two legs, comfortably outshining Neymar (whom I'm a great fan of, by the way):

 

[roonster09]

Amazing how everyone remember Rashford vs Mbappe but not Rashford vs Jesus and Rashford vs the Leicester kid from City.

Btw agree with Haaland is better 9 but Rashford is better wide forward.

Sancho's numbers are ridiculous for his age and looks better player too, I just don't get the ridiculous exaggerations, as if we are comparing Sancho vs Lingard.

 

[SportingCP96]

Comparing two players who play similar positions for the same national team. Should be pretty straightforward for anyone with half a brain to understand why it could be used to compare their levels.

The Bundesliga is a lower level than the Premier league and man utd are in a difficult period so attackers are not being as able to show their level.

Except its not as simple as that.

Mbappe is in a far inferior league then Rashford yet Rashford is no where near the level of mbappe. Its not even close.

As for this debate Sancho offers so much more and has shown so much more quality on a more consistent basis than Rashford. We still dont know if Rashford will ever be world class but there is a real possibility Sancho will.

 

[SportingCP96]

Amazing how everyone remember Rashford vs Mbappe but not Rashford vs Jesus and Rashford vs the Leicester kid from City.

Btw agree with Haaland is better 9 but Rashford is better wide forward.

Sancho's numbers are ridiculous for his age and looks better player too, I just don't get the ridiculous exaggerations, as if we are comparing Sancho vs Lingard.

Of course not, Rashford is a good player and he can potentially get better but, the way youth products get hyped up is crazy, No one can say another youngster like Haaland or Sancho is better then there golden boy or everyones panties get in a bunch.

Its not that deep. Its ok if 2 young talents are better than the on you have, it does not make Rashford a bad player but just not a batter one than the ones mentioned.

 

[do.ob]

The level between the Bundesliga and the Premier League is significantly different bar Bayern, Dortmund & Leipzig.

Even as a character there are many instances where Sancho hasn’t been completely professional, he even came out of lockdown a bit overweight. Rashford has a much better mentality and a higher ceiling. I guarantee Rashford would break records in the Bundesliga.

Let's be honest here. How would you be able to assess that? Especially this season where Liverpool are more dominant domestically (and like the caf just loves to point out - without even playing that well) than Bayern or Barcelona have ever been. Bayern in particular were in 7th place (and Dortmund 6th) around halfway through the season, because all those teams who are supposedly shit, because they don't play in England, took so many points off of them.

 

[Drainy]

Except its not as simple as that.

Mbappe is in a far inferior league then Rashford yet Rashford is no where near the level of mbappe. Its not even close.

As for this debate Sancho offers so much more and has shown so much more quality on a more consistent basis than Rashford. We still dont know if Rashford will ever be world class but there is a real possibility Sancho will.

I've consistently watched Rashford play from 15/16. He's got real quality and was just needing to improve on the decision making and physical sides.

Got to ask, have you missed this season? 14 goals in 22 games for a side lacking creativity..

 

[roonster09]

Of course not, Rashford is a good player and he can potentially get better but, the way youth products get hyped up is crazy, No one can say another youngster like Haaland or Sancho is better then there golden boy or everyones panties get in a bunch.

Its not that deep. Its ok if 2 young talents are better than the on you have, it does not make Rashford a bad player but just not a batter one than the ones mentioned.

Sancho is better than Rashford but the exaggeration is ridiculous, that's my point.

In the same way you can see other side getting their panties in bunch when someone says there isn't much between Sancho and Rashford. It's not just one side.

 

[SportingCP96]

I've consistently watched Rashford play from 15/16. He's got real quality and was just needing to improve on the decision making and physical sides.

Got to ask, have you missed this season? 14 goals in 22 games for a side lacking creativity..

Once again I never said he was a bad player.

Sancho had 12 goals 14 assists last season. This season he has 17 and 17.

Dont give me that "weak league bs" either because if you can do it in any of the top 5 leagues in the world then that aint a debate. He is not doing it in holland or somewhere else. If you have quality you have quality and the eye test will tell you that.

Bruno played in Portugal and the moment he joined United you could see he was on a different level to everyone in that starting 11. He has been United best player every game he has played.

Sancho is the real deal. Haaland is the real deal.

Just because they are better then Rashford does not mean Rashford is a bad player. No one is saying that.

 

[SportingCP96]

Sancho is better than Rashford but the exaggeration is ridiculous, that's my point.

In the same way you can see other side getting their panties in bunch when someone says there isn't much between Sancho and Rashford. It's not just one side.

I agree with that. Like I said I don't think Rashford is a bad player, the kid clearly is talented he is not lingard.

There is a debate to be made so that tells that Rashford is in fact a good player.

The only no debate example made was Rashford and mbappe because that one aint close obviously.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Jesus, you're not really suggesting right now that Rashford is a greater talent than Sancho and Haaland, are you?
Not only that, you're so convinced of this that you're attacking people suggesting the opposite?

II fear you're pretty alone with that opinion, mate. Even in a United forum. No offense, but I don't think outside of Manchester, Rashford is even considered a top 10 talent in the world right now.

That’s not true. Name me 10 players 22 and under more proven than Rashford please. I’ll give you Trent, Mbappe, Sancho, Havertz and Haaland (a stretch).

 

[Drainy]

Rashford would take the piss in Germany with how many teams go for it and have piss poor defenses.

They leave so much space its a joke.

In England every team below us plays low block defensive counter attack to deny the attackers space. Add on top of that before Bruno our only creative midfielder was injured the whole season and Rashford still is banging them in..

He'd be as recognised as Sancho and Haaland playing for that team in that league. Joke he isn't currently at least by some.

 

[Handré1990]

Consistently over the last year Haaland and Sancho have been better than Rashford, it’s not even a debate worth having. I think you might just be surprised by Rashford in the future though, @Zehner @SportingCP96, he has come very close to getting it all together. World class technique, an amazing shot, great vision and passing, the X-factor, and of course speed and strength. He has shown glimpses of all these qualities, this season though, bar a period where he was our only attacker this season, he’s been as good as any of them. He will become one of the best, I’m convinced of it.

 

[SportingCP96]

Consistently over the last year Haaland and Sancho have been better than Rashford, it’s not even a debate worth having. I think you might just be surprised by Rashford in the future though, @Zehner @SportingCP96, he has come very close to getting it all together. World class technique, an amazing shot, great vision and passing, the X-factor, and of course speed and strength. He has shown glimpses of all these qualities, this season though, bar a period where he was our only attacker this season, he’s been as good as any of them. He will become one of the best, I’m convinced of it.

For the sake of United I hope so I truly do. My heart will always have a soft spot for United and if they can get it together and return to the top then they need quality players to do so and if Rashford becomes one of those then I would be very happy about it.

 

[do.ob]

Rashford would take the piss in Germany with how many teams go for it and have piss poor defenses.

They leave so much space its a joke.

In England every team below us plays low block defensive counter attack to deny the attackers space. Add on top of that before Bruno our only creative midfielder was injured the whole season and Rashford still is banging them in..

He'd be as recognised as Sancho and Haaland playing for that team in that league. Joke he isn't currently at least by some.

Yes, you could see how little space he had in England:

 

[Pexbo]

Rashford would take the piss in Germany with how many teams go for it and have piss poor defenses.

They leave so much space its a joke.

In England every team below us plays low block defensive counter attack to deny the attackers space. Add on top of that before Bruno our only creative midfielder was injured the whole season and Rashford still is banging them in..

He'd be as recognised as Sancho and Haaland playing for that team in that league. Joke he isn't currently at least by some.

Agree with this. You replace Haaland with Rashford and the output would be pretty consistent.

Replace Rashford for Haaland in this United side and the output would be pretty consistent again in terms of personal numbers but you‘d lose a lot of what Rashford brings to the team.

 

[arnie_ni]

I would argue he's shown a lot more than glimpses this season, and is starting to come very close to putting it together.

I don't think there's a lot in it between Sancho and Rashford. You could argue that Sancho is probably better because he's shown more at a younger age, (he's certainly got a wider skillset) but I'd also make a strong argument that Rashford's growth was stunted by Jose for two years playing as a defensive winger. Sancho has much more freedom to express himself at Dortmund.

Guess the only way to know for sure is if they were to play for the same club as a control. For... academic purposes

I think re jose your right.

He came into the squad as a number 9, a box player, like halaand.

He had a couple of pretty awful years under Jose. He became very selfish as a player, and a bit of a hit and run merchant.

But the past 18 months for so he has developed his game massively and is showing great signs to become a top class player.

 

[Drainy]

Yes, you could see how little space he had in England:

do you even watch united play?

 

[do.ob]

Agree with this. You replace Haaland with Rashford and the output would be pretty consistent.

Replace Rashford for Haaland in this United side and the output would be pretty consistent again in terms of personal numbers but you‘d lose a lot of what Rashford brings to the team.

Rashford scored 9 np(non penalty)goals from 8.3 npxg.
Haaland scored 11 npgoals from 5.8 npxg.

What makes you think they have similar quality of finishing?

 

[Pexbo]

Rashford scored 9 np(non penalty)goals from 8.3 npxg.
Haaland scored 11 npgoals from 5.8 npxg.

What makes you think they have similar quality of finishing?

If you're going to bring xG into the discussion I'm not going to take you seriously.

 

[do.ob]

If you're going to bring xG into the discussion I'm not going to take you seriously.

Yes. Why use an objective measure of their finishing quality, when we can just randomly assume they are exactly the same.

 

[Handré1990]

For the sake of United I hope so I truly do. My heart will always have a soft spot for United and if they can get it together and return to the top then they need quality players to do so and if Rashford becomes one of those then I would be very happy about it.

Kind words, lovely to hear, so thank you! Seriously though, I was one of those idiots spending time on here after his debut season arguing for how much bigger Martial’s talent was. I was wrong, simply put. Rashford’s development has been incredible, it’s like he picks a weakness and works on it until it’s more or less gone, and adds new aspects to his game.

He will become one of those players worth tuning in to watch. In addition to being an incredibly hard worker he already has a filthy highlights reel, a lot of those came vs very good teams as well (City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea a few examples ). He has developed better than I could’ve imagined (though not unexpected according to those who saw him for the academy), and is still only 22.

Edit: Oh, and thank you for Bruno. What a player!

 

[Drainy]

Rashford's last start for United for those who don't appreciate what tactics other sides offer against us, before they compare players. (or use videos of goals when we are 2 nil up to Chelsea who are chasing the game to somehow claim the PL is similar to Bundesliga with how much space teams offer)

 

[arnie_ni]

Agree with this. You replace Haaland with Rashford and the output would be pretty consistent.

Replace Rashford for Haaland in this United side and the output would be pretty consistent again in terms of personal numbers but you‘d lose a lot of what Rashford brings to the team.

Do agree with that.

As no.9s go, is there a better finisher than halaand in world football at the moment?

Lewa for bayern maybe?

Rash probably has more to his game, but halaand is already one of the best box strikers in the world.

 

[do.ob]

Rashford's last start for United for those who don't appreciate what tactics other sides offer against us, before they compare players. (or use videos of goals when we are 2 nil up to Chelsea who are chasing the game to somehow claim the PL is similar to Bundesliga with how much space teams offer)

Sancho's last start for Dortmund for those who don't appreciate what tactics other sides use against Dortmund, before they compare players.

See, I can do that, too. I'm not saying that there aren't tactical (or quality) differences between leagues, but people really like to resort to lazy stereotypes (apparently in the PL everyone has an airtight defense, whereas in Bundesliga teams just don't defend and just randomly concede space) and blow up relatively small differences into huge chasms.

 

[He'sRaldo]

I think there's not much between the three.

In the same way you can imagine how devastating Rashford would be under Klopp, you can also imagine how Haaland's numbers would change significantly under our team, given our creativity this season. Hence, it's logical to start with the premise that comparing pure numbers is a poor style of judging who is better. After all, the main point of scouts isn't just to show numbers but to apply the right context to them in order to evaluate potential success.

With that said, based on their attributes I think Rashford would be the biggest talent in the PL, because he has a very good mix of physicality, mentality, and technique. Haaland might struggle a bit technically (outside the box of course) while Sancho's physicality isn't top tier. Not to say that there's much difference though, since they're all top level talents.

As someone else said, the only way to know for sure is for them all to play for the same team under the same manager. Wouldn't be opposed to that myself

 

[Drainy]

Sancho's last start for Dortmund for those who don't appreciate what tactics other sides use against Dortmund, before they compare players.

See, I can do that, too. I'm not saying that there aren't tactical (or quality) differences between leagues, but people really like to resort to lazy stereotypes (apparently in the PL everyone has an airtight defense, whereas in Bundesliga teams just don't defend and just randomly concede space) and blow up relatively small differences into huge chasms.

Why do bundesliga clubs concede so many goals then?

Please explain. Are all of the attackers just so world class? How amazing if so!

 

[Sayros]

Talking out your arse mate, serious under rating of Rashford. How many times have you actually watched Sancho and Haaland apart from highlights?

More than you, apparently.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Remind me when Sancho played amazingly in the CL, genuine question not a piss take.

I thought he played well against Prague, Leipzig and Barca, scoring in each match plus got a goal and assist against Bayern in the cup, which is quite impressive considering how good that team is.