Yep, agree with this.
Erling Haaland | Dortmund player
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Yep, agree with this.
Haaland at 19 is better than a 19 year old Rashford this shouldn't even be an argument
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Literally no defenders in the picture. Very confusing.
Debatable and there defiantly is an argument.
That's because it's a screenshot
No they shouldn't. And no, I don't, because you guys were pretty boring to watch for a neutral for a sustained period of time. But I watched many highlights of you and Rashford and since you're starting to play better again, I plan to watch a few games when the PL continues. Thing is, Sancho has scored 17 goals (0 penalties) and 16 assists in 29 games this season. Rashford has scored 14 goals (5 penalties) and 4 assists in 22 games so far. So even in his best season so far Rashford doesn't even come close to Sancho's output. And on top of that, there's the eye test. Sancho is technically in a completely different stratosphere, a way better dribbler and passer and much more involved in the buildup than Rashford.
And that's the reason why PL proven is bullshit. I'm not surprised you haven't heard of many Bundesliga teams because people who value "PL proven" are typically people that don't really like to leave their filter bubble and it has been proven countless times how stupid that assessment is.
Literally no defenders in the picture. Very confusing.
You clearly photoshopped them in to prove your point!
Literally no defenders in the picture. Very confusing.
But these are Bundesliga defenders mate, they're not PL proven.
Here we go again.
Only United fans would argue this
Right OK i'll stop the debate there.
And people who know what they are talking about.
That's what I thought when you started posting on players you barely watch, watched highlights but I know who is involved more.
And thanks for being representative of all the fans outside of Manchester.
Tbf you'd think like that if you are delusional
Rashford 17/18 season: 13 goals and 10 assist in 52 games or 2676 minutes. A goal or assist every 116 minutes.
Haaland: 42 goals and 10 assists in 37 games or 2481 minutes. A goal or assist every 47 minutes.
But let's fix some of the skewed statistics due to Haaland playing in a far inferior league for half the season.
Haaland if we remove the time at RB Salsburg that wasn't in the CL: 21 games, 22 goals and 4 assist in 1391 minutes, a goal or assist every 53 and a half minutes.
In terms of end product they aren't even comparable when both were at the age of 19.
It's unrealistic to think that Haaland would keep up the numbers, but for now he has definitely shown more than Rashford did at the same age.
Rashford is a brilliant talent and he is still developing and he has a fantastic attitude that will help him reach as far as he can. There is no need to play up his past achievements.
Yeah Haaland as a striker is so much better than Rashford, you are comparing numbers of a pure 9 playing in very attacking team with a winger who played for Jose's team.
Can Haaland produce same numbers as a winger? I doubt it. I don't understand this comparison anyway, comparing winger with pure 9.
We can easily prove Lukaku is better than Hazard too going with pure numbers.
So how do you access players? I guess you watch every game of every team with players you could be discussing in the future. By the way:
Rashford: 2 dribbles, 1.1 key passes per game, 76.4% passing accuracy
Sancho: 2.6 dribbles per game, 2.3 key passes per game, 85.3% passing accuracy
So I guess my assessment based on match highlights and the live games I watched wasn't too inaccurate.
I don't think Sancho vs. Rashford was ever a debate to begin with.
Haaland is doing it against shite in a sub standard league, his stand out impressive goals / performance was against PSG.
Rashford is a far better player and always will be.
Watch football with your eyes mate and don't read stat websites, it's a much better indicator.
What?
Well yeah, I do, that's why I literally wrote that Sancho wins the eye test by a landslide on top of having way better output.
I can't buy this arguement.
I've seen both Sancho and Haaland play amazingly in the Champions League and the Bundesliga isn't exactly the worst league. It's not like they're just smashing it in The Eredivisie.
I think they'll be fine in the PL. With that said, fair enough Rashford had been good in the PL but the others haven't played there so you can't compare. Also, don't forget, Rashford was wildly inconsistent when younger. Even last season, he went the last 8 or so games without a goal or assist and as a forward, that is his main job.
I don't watch international footy except the big tournaments so can't speak on that.
Rashford is more of a wide forward than a winger, and it's not just about the numbers being different, Haalands numbers are insane by striker standards as well. He has proven himself (short term) to be the biggest striker talent out there apart from Mbappe.
The debate was which had proved more at 19, and it doesn't look all that debatable to me.
Liverpool, Napoli and PSG sure are shit teams.
The argument used against Haaland about him playing against shit teams also doesn't wash when he performed for Salsburg against these top teams.
The idea that the English Premier League is far beyond the Bundesliga & La Liga is rediculous and just shows an arrogance that limits any conversation.
You two will never change your mind though, and any more energy spent on you will just feel like smashing my head against a brick wall.
I'm not a German league basher, I think the league houses lots of talent but I don't think it's wise to compare Rashford / Sancho's output considering the level of difference in competitiveness between English football and the Bundesliga. There's a definitive difference in the quality and level of football between both leagues. It's often exaggerated and taken out of context but it is there, you can see it in the tactical side of the game and the amount of space at the teams disposal.
For me it's the Liga Nos spectators saying that a 2017 Bas Dost is one of the best strikers in world football outperforming the likes of Lewandowski, Aguero and Europe's elite strikers based solely on his numerical contributions domestically.
Sancho is as would seem a generational talent, but the difference between him and someone like Mbappe is that Kylian has exemplified his talent extensively in the most competitive competitions. I don't think anyone really considers Mbappe's domestic form as a factor to regard his talent, no matter what opposition he faces he's going to be a problem. It's solidified in his imprint in performances against the best teams via the Champions League / World cup.
Sancho certainly needs to earmark his influence in the UCL and national team more if he's to be regarded as highly as he's touted. So far there's absolutely nothing to say that he couldn't go down a Kagawa / Mkhitaryan route, it's highly unlikely of course given his age but still a possibility.
If I had to take a pick out of who has shown more to progress further than Haaland for me would be the player for Dortmund that I could see excelling in almost any league because he's diversified his influential performances not just domestically but also in the UCL.
The lack of objectivity of some our fans sometimes astonishes me. It's fine to like out own and talk them up, but sometimes the comparisons are a bit ridiculous
Sure he does against SC Paderborn 07
It's a known fact hence why players who dominate those leagues struggle over here.
Yeah, and playing for the same team (England),
Sancho 2 dribbles per 90 mins
Rashford 2.3 and 3.1 dribbles per 90 mins
Key passes
Sancho 0
Rashford 0.2 and 0.5 per 90 mins
Sancho's key passes, 0.4 are from corners where every header is a chance created. So Rashford creates 1.1 chances per 90 mins from open play, Sancho creates 1.7 chances per 90 mins. Wow amazingly different stratosphere numbers where he creates 1 chance more in 2 games from open play. Likewise for club he completes 1 dribble more in every 2 game.
Completely different stratosphere.
And then we have records like this, his record against big 6 with most of the games playing as winger under Jose, wonder how good Sancho's big game record is.
| Opponent | Appearances | Goals | Assists |
|---|---|---|---|
| Liverpool | 7 | 3 | 0 |
| City | 6 | 3 | 0 |
| Chelsea | 10 | 5 | 2 |
| Arsenal | 5 | 2 | 2 |
| Spurs | 4 | 3 | 0 |
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While we are also using stats,
McTominay 1.7 dribbles per 90 mins,
Aguero - 1.5
KdB - 1.5
David Silva - 1.5
So can we also conclude McTominay is in different stratosphere when it comes to dribbling?
Remind me when Sancho played amazingly in the CL, genuine question not a piss take.
This season? Yes.
Under Jose? No.
Yeah Haaland had proved more at 19, his record is insane in CL too but still I dont understand why winger is compared with 9. Like I said, it won't be long before someone posts Lukaku and Hazard's numbers to prove who is better,
Reminds me of some posts from the Rashford vs Mbappe thread. The mental gymnastics seem repetitive.
Like Kevin De Bruyne? Eden Hazard? Bernardo Silva? Sergio Aguero? David Silva? Sadio Mane who came to the league from the same Salsburg team as Haaland?
Or are you thinking of Angel Di Maria who was our top contributor while he was at the club despite not even wanting to be here? or Radamel Falcao who was only a big name long since washed up by injuries? Or Shinji Kagawa? Mkhitaryan?
It seems tome that you are blinded by the failures of our club.
Im a United fan and wouldnt even argue it.
Rashford has only shown glimpses. He hasnt come close to putting it altogether yet i dont think.
He has potential to be great
If you can't see a difference between Lukaku & Haaland then that is your issue.
If you can't see the logic then it's your issue, it's always about comparing pure 9 numbers with winger.
First, you didn't answer my question. How do you assess players if you don't watch highlights? I mean, you're happily discussing players from other leagues and teams in here, so I guess you spend much time watching international football. Let's discuss this one first before we jump into another topic regarding statistics against top teams.
Nice numbers by the way, especially the England statistics, based on an impressive sample size of 568 minutes. In those 568 minutes Sancho as by the way contributed to 6 goals, translating to a goal contribution every 94 minutes. Rashford is at 115 by the way - which is still very good but not Sancho level. Which kind of sums up Rashford in general.
It is a known fact? That's funny because La Liga is by far the best league in the world in last 10-20 years. And many players who set the EPL on fire failed to do the same in La Liga. So I guess we should speak about "La Liga proven" in the future when Madrid or Barca want to sign a EPL player again.
And for every Mkhitaryan, I can give you a de Bruyne, Sané or Gündogan. Even fecking Matip is doing fine in the EPL.