Haah! I must break you
Erling Haaland | Dortmund player
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Gardener and tea lady not doing enough convincing it seems.
Is there any example of a player producing these kind of numbers who didn't become world class? The only ones I can recall from the top of my mind are R9, Owen, Rooney and Mbappe and all of them became at least one of the very best in the world.
Thing is, talents usually have the ability but lack the composure and decision making that is required for end product. Similarly to Mbappe, Haaland has both things at a very young age so I think his further development will rather be gradual than in huge laps. There's certainly potential for improvement but he already has everything a world class striker needs.
I can't really think of specific examples, but I have to imagine there's been players who have come out of the gates with great output and then got figured out by defenders and were never able to compensate and offer different challenges, maybe not to the extent of Haaland, but here's the thing about Haaland's output, it is simply unsustainable, and is largely helped by the fact that defenders in the Budesliga are pretty poor and reckless and that there hasn't been a lot of sample size of dealing with Haaland.
It wouldn't be the strangest thing in the world if Haaland doesn't dominate football as defenders figure out the best ways to limit him. Personally, I think he has enough about his game right now to adjust to what defenders will throw at him so he can remain a lethal striker, and whatever he's missing (consistent first touch and heading abilities come to mind) he will develop over time.
PSG are the first team that put forth a blueprint on how to possibly rattle him. Could be something, could be nothing and simply a poor game from him. The point is, let's see how he deals with defenders adjusting to his game as more and more potential questions can be raised about his game and how to stop him. I'm looking forward to seeing how he handles the pressure of his hot start, and keeps adding strings to his already impressive bow.
He will go through different stages in his career, as defenders get the hang of coping with him. He will have to learn how to cope with more and tougher physicality, and tighter, more organised defences. I think he would like to prove himself in the EPL sometime, and perhaps in two or three years time he will fancy his chances in another league, whether it is the EPL, or another I wouldn't really know. Whether he would come to United I'm not sure, if Leeds were playing in the EPL, then he may fancy his chances there.
Unless he flops big time at Dortmund there is absolutely no chance he would go to Leeds .
I just can't see him flopping at Dortmund, the team is solid with talent, although let's see what happens with Sancho, but it's a league that's really interesting for forwards like him who can beat the line for through balls. They press ridiculously high up and the quality of the defenses is just atrocious in the games I've seen him play. He's going to keep feasting. His next transition to a different league might be far more challenging. Just look a Jovic.
I am really not sure about that. Defenders never learned how to cope with Arjen Robben cutting in onto his left foot etc.
The whole line about 'people know what they're going to do' is a trueism that just doesn't count for the best players. They're the best precisely because people know what they're going to do and nobody can stop them.
With Haaland the only thing that will affect his career is the quality of playmakers around him. His movement in the box and the quality of his finishing reminds me of Ruud Van Nistlerooy's. Feed him and he will eat.
Genuinely think the only reason he didn't come was the uncertainty around Ole's future at the time. Would have been a completely different story if he still was at RBS and the window opened tomorrow.
I never credit this sort of stuff too much. That said, it's interesting that we wheeled out Fergie for young Jude Bellingham and made a special point of giving him an all-access tour of the facilities a few months later. A lesson learned, maybe?
Isn't that how it works? Manager uses scouts to approach a player because He is interested and got the permission from the club to do so, which means the club is also interested and ready to allocate resources to help with the transfer? 
Maybe what his father wanted was Roy Keane's approval as well.
Maybe what his father wanted was Roy Keane's approval as well.
Considering people here seemed to think he didn't fancy United the constant talk from him and his people now is about United. Lots of truth in what was said about United not wanting to pander to the release cause and over the top agent fees as muted it seems.
I agree with that, and if it was not the only reason, according to his father, an important reason. There were rumours Haaland wanted some sort of insurance that Ole would stay in his job. Not so strange when you think of what happened to Ole´s Norwegian signings at Cardiff after he left.
Not his best day. Minutes per goal took a beating.
The assist was very good though
He really does remind me of Lukaku sometimes with some of his touches. That one in the buildup to the third goal was very Lukaku like but he managed to make up for it and poke it away. Great pass for that third goal, and his finish for the first was nice. He undoubtedly has some flaws but he's rapidly improving, taken to the Bundesliga so easily
Man Utd has scored 44 goals in PL this season. Haaland has scored 41 goals this season.
He's really very good.
Exactly what I thought. Lukaku would tear it up in the Bundesliga I reckon.
haha.. Haaland is probably not a favourite of the reporters
But we don't need a striker
He scores goals and does Yoga.
What more do you want from a striker?
What more do you want from a striker?
To be fair we trashes on of the top teams in Haalands previous league
Haaland has almost the same goal ratio in CL/Germany, as in Austria. 21 goals in 1200 min in CL (10)/BL(10)/German cup(1). 57 min per goal.
20 goals in 1090 min in Austrian league (16)/Cup(4). 54 min per goal.
(Man Utd has scored a goal every 59 minutes i PL this season. Haaland has scored a goal every 56 minutes this season. That pretty impressive, I would say.)
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Proper striker this one. Would be a proper monster in a 2 striker formation.
And what? You'll be in the newbies a long time posting nonsense like that
Is there really a snowballs chance in hell United could even get this guy. Not this summer maybe next one.
Haaland is obviously a gifted striker, but these comparisons are kind of pointless. In Austria he was playing for a team on CL (groupstage) level against vastly inferior opponents, in Germany he's at a club that sets up their striker like few others. For example yesterday he scored his tenth goal after 541 minutes, which is a pretty insane ratio, but the next sentence of these info tweets tells you that Alcacer did it in 281 minutes. Before him it was Batshuayi who looked two classes above his level and before the Batsman it was Aubameyang who scored around 30 goals a season.
Or you can put this in another way, the only reason he might consider coming, is Ole's long term future at the club.
haha.. Haaland is probably not a favourite of the reporters
"I'm only doing this because I have to"
Stats alone are always pretty much useless without context. The context here is that Haaland is miles above those strikers you mentioned when they were his age.
haha.. Haaland is probably not a favourite of the reporters
The more I see of this lad... the more I like him.
If Ole is still in charge and we are looking very good then it’s possible.
I wasn't making the point that Haaland is nothing special, I was responding to someone who said: "look: Haaland scored more goals than the entire United team".
For a little context their left back scored 2 yesterday as well and already has 7 goals in only 21 games this season with their RB also having 3 goals, Dortmund have scored more goals than Liverpool and City while playing 2/3 less games this season. He does look brilliant though and ALWAYS looks a threat but doing all these goal comparison things is just stupid.
I didn’t see that part of his post, my bad
Just thought it was a bit of a fun fact that Haaland alone has scored as many goals as the entire United team. Wasn't really trying to make any point, except that Haaland has had a sensational season. I'll try to do better from now on, so that maybe I can get out of this sad newbie status. I'm sorry.
The issue is you skewed the "facts" to suit your agenda. Why only United league goals but include all of Haaland's?
Seems like a poor WUM to me.
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