Id have gøtze on a temporary basis over lindgaard anyday.
Erling Haaland | Dortmund player
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Id have gøtze on a temporary basis over lindgaard anyday.
Plenty of young players are signed every year and most of them don't have release clauses.
I would avoid both and sign players who can be sold when club agrees to the fee.
Sure, but i think it will become more and more common. Agents like mendes and raiola are here to stay. Eventually its hard to keep players against their will.
Yeah and now dortmund has a striker who is on fire and we dont.
Raiola have plenty of clients and not many of them have release clause, even the one De ligt have is around 150 million. In fact I don't remember when any big club signed a youngster with release clause.
Good luck to them. They might lose him for small fee when his development is completed and are about to rely on him to win trophies. Who knows it might be us who sign him at that time.
Edit: Do you really believe ManUtd rejected Haaland?
I havnt followed the saga enough to know. But isnt it you guys who said we were not willing to sign him with a release clause?
I didn't. I remember saying we can't do much when player rejected the offer and signed for the club which is better for his development. I also said football world doesn't revolve around ManUtd, we don't have the choice to pick every player, player also picks the club and like many players there is a good chance player might have rejected the club.
Ok. I agree.
You're perfectly illustrating his point. The decision to reject him is based on pride and delusions, not any rational decisions.
What has me being a Leverkusen fan to do with my opinion on the matter? It's not like I want you to act like Leverkusen on the transfer market. I',m suggesting you should act more rational. I mean, even if Haaland leaves after 2.5 years for a small fee, what's the matter? You guys yourself said that money isn't important to you. Meanwhile, the guy would probably have netted 40+ goals for you throughout those 2.5 seasons. It would've been the rational decision to sign him. The irrational one is to reject him because he doesn't want to commit himself long-term to a club who was once great and is in a uncertain change process right now. You could develop like Liverpool did or you could the same route as AC Milan. And you want those young players to commit themselves long-term to you? I mean, why would they do that? What do you think would the motivation behind that behaviour be? That they've been life long United fans? Good luck. The world doesn't revolve around you, there are much more attractive destinations currently than United. You need to arrange yourself with that situation. You're not in the same bargaining position as 5-6 years ago.
I think your club needs more pragmatism and less pride. More controversial, possibly unpopular but ultimately right decisions instead of the usual "we've always did it this way" mantra. I mean, imagine a world in which you'd have signed Haaland with the clause. There would've been a chance that you develop well and he wants to stay beyond those 2.5 years. But even if he leaves, what's the problem? Yes, it would be bitter for a short while but you'd have gotten 2.5 good years out of him, he would've improved your reputation as a club with a perspective for young players and you probably would've had enough time to find a replacement for him.
All the issues you're having with signing Haaland are ultimately of symbolic nature. And symbolism doesn't win you anything.
I have already explained, this will end up going in circles.
That's the difference. No fan would be happy to make profit on transfer at the expense of winning trophies, when you develop a player investing so much time and money, you want him to give his best years.
He might have clicked from day 1 or would have taken 2 years to adapt, develop into good player and the big risk is we would lose him in 1 year. So all the effort, time you invested in for nothing.
We might to in the route for AC Milan or might bounce back, who the feck knows. No one was predicting great things for Liverpool just 2-3 seasons ago. So just because we are in shit position right now doesn't mean it will be the case and we have to bend backwards to sign every player.
No it isn't. I have explained why the expectations are different, there is nothing to gain for ManUtd in developing him and losing him for small fee. All the time invested in developing him, he will play his best years at some other club and club won't be properly compensated for that. We won't be even in control of the situation.
It's not blind pride, it's what the club expect from players. Few clubs want to make money on the players, few clubs wants to win trophies building good teams so they expect players to stick for long time.
The lack of a structure, a DoF, and a plan leaves some traces here.
Like many have said before I don't think the issue is with the release clause. BVB has planned for this transfer and Haaland probably made up his mind even before Man Utd entered the picture. I personally don't think there is an issue with the release clause. BVB got the player on a relatively small fee (17M) and will have his service for 2 to 3 years at least. There may be a chance he will sign a new contract if he find the club is the best place for his career. Even without a release clause, a player can always run down the contract and the club that own him has to sell him on the cheap. So what is the issue?
Pogba is supposed to be in his prime, and does not have a release clause in his contract, but he obviously wants to leave. Does Man Utd get the best out of him now? He is running down his contract as well.
Having seen him in a Dortmund shirt, albeit a very small sample, I can see how special he is.
His speed and acceleration for a guy with that size is out of this world.
Definitely could be among the goats.
His speed and acceleration for a guy with that size is out of this world.
Definitely could be among the goats.
It isn't. It's expecting club to do the right thing.
Anyways all this is just pile of nonsense. He just rejected us as he found Dortmund as good club for him, nothing to do with release clause.
If he does this well consistently, £63 million will be a steal in a year's time.
We should not stop scouting him.
We should not stop scouting him.
As a club Man Utd has resource comparable to Bayern, Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG and Man City, just focus on making yourself as an attractive place players would like to join. Salary is never an issue for Man Utd. There is lots of reason why young players with potential should not choosing the top tier club. Expectation and pressure are too high. Just look at Frenkie De Jong and Demebele in Barca or De Ligt in Juventus.
If we could get Jared Bowen for a few million I’d take him on a three year contract at this stage.
Understood but I’m not football transfer expert. Just a normal fan. A release clause is a release clause in my view. Please fill me in with the minor details of his contract???
Release clauses can have dates set in them. For instance he could have a release clause that’s valid for summer 2022 and only summer 2022. That’s not his actual clause just as example, mind you.
I see. So what’s this lads release clause window?
This just goes to show how embarrassing Woodward's briefings were when BVB announced Haaland.
Do not want! We need a proven striker, not some prospect with just 13 goals and 1 assist from his first 433 minutes of CL and Bundesliga play....
Seriously though, his clause is now public and is set to 75M Euro and will kick in after the 21/22 season. I want this guy playing here so bad!
Seriously though, his clause is now public and is set to 75M Euro and will kick in after the 21/22 season. I want this guy playing here so bad!
If thats true, lets hope in 2 years we're back near the top of the pile and can grab him. 75m Will be absolutely nothing if he keeps this up.
If that's the clause then it really was good business for all parties involved and it would had been good business for a club like United as well.
Kicks in right as we'll want to replace Lewa. Can't wait to welcome him at our club come summer '22
Kicks in right as we'll want to replace Lewa. Can't wait to welcome him at our club come summer '22
To bad for you guys that he ain’t staying in Germany after his spell at Dortmund. His ultimate goal is England. So it’s all about which English club who is most attractive to him at that point.
Thats not the point and you keep missing it on purpose by the last few posts Ive read. We will always find another player. Dortmund won the battle but if he is as good as they say he wont last another year in Germany. Doesn't that question Dortmunds ambition? Why should we buy a young player only to risk losing him for cheap when real madrid come calling. Dortmnd are the best feeder club out there and they are happy building players only to sell. Its not the way things are done at a big club.
Kicks in right as we'll want to replace Lewa. Can't wait to welcome him at our club come summer '22
You can go get Werner
He'll be just 21 or 22 by then. So, there's ample of time for him to chase his "ultimate goal" later down the road. I fancy us being quite attractive by then, despite not being English, tbh.
So Liverpool then?
He'll be just 21 or 22 by then. So, there's ample of time for him to chase his "ultimate goal" later down the road. I fancy us being quite attractive by then, despite not being English, tbh.
It might be Liverpool, City, Chelsea or us. Who knows. What is less likely is that he is going to Bayern. That would severely limit his options for many years as Bayern historically don’t sell players they want to keep.
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Besides, it's not like certain plans are set in stone. He could like Germany and never wanna leave itHe'll be just 21 or 22 by then. So, there's ample of time for him to chase his "ultimate goal" later down the road. I fancy us being quite attractive by then, despite not being English, tbh.
If they really want out, we let them go, see Kroos. Thing is, most folks just like it here, and stay on their own behalf. It's not like we're having a tradition of shotgun-signings over here.
And how do you plan to sign those players? When Sancho, Haaland, Brandt, Reyna, etc. want to make the next step, they're already too good for you. Ambition-wise, yuou're even a step back from Dortmund since the CL is pretty much guaranteed there and the chances to win titles are also greater. Your only argument is money and as long as other clubs who are more successful than you can pay similar wages, that is worth close to nothing. The last players you signed in that talent mould are probably Martial and Pogba and those two came when your reputation was still much better than it currently is. And their development ever since is pretty much a warning sign for every talented player out there.
Of course you'll be able to sign a great player like Bruno fernandes occasionally by playing ridiculous amounts of money but I doubt that is a sustainable way of building a team.
Kicks in right as we'll want to replace Lewa. Can't wait to welcome him at our club come summer '22
I'm glad to hear that you guys finally moved on from that silly thought of signing Havertz
Wonder who you'll lay your eyes on when Haaland also chooses another club over you.Just kidding, I'm sure Salihamidzicz will convince both players to eventually join you. Can only imagine how inspiring a transfer conversation with him must be!