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Erik ten Hag or Gareth Southgate?
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Ole's downfall was inevitable in hindsight, looking at the transfers and decisions made in the summer of 2021, but I do not think it was because he wasn't good enough tactically. He wasn't on the level of Guardiola, Klopp, or Arteta, but he was way better than people give him credit for.
He wanted to switch to a more proactive, dominant style of football, but the squad was nowhere near built for that.
De Gea couldn't take part in our build-up, couldn't pass, couldn't use his feet, and provided 0 press-resistance with the ball.
AWB and Varane were weak in the build-up too, and not suited for a high defensive line.
Pogba and Ronaldo were passengers out of possession. Pogba wasn't good at pressing, and Ronaldo was straight up unwilling to do it.
McFred was a hard-working makeshift midfield, but not a pairing you can challenge for the league with.
Sancho was a link-up player who needs good movement from his teammates in order to be useful for the team (namely against low-blocks mostly). Not a to-feet player like Rashford for example, who you can give the ball to, and he can make something happen. Sancho wasn't a great dribbler or carrier. He wasn't the superstar impact player people expected him to be. He needed more space to be created for him in order to have an impact, than your to-feet players like Rashford, Saka, etc.
Martial was always injured. Cavani left. Ronaldo was unwilling to press and by that point he wasn't much more than a good box striker who should've just taken the Giroud role where he comes in with 30 minutes left and tries to get himself in good finishing positions.
Lindelöf was alright for the high line but Maguire needed a fast, athletic, sweeper type space-eater next to him who could cover for his one weakness, his pace. He was not that player...but Ole still built one of the best defenses in the league, with just Shaw and Maguire being the two truly elite components of it. Lindelöf was alright as I said. AWB and De Gea were shite.
Shaw was great but often injured as well I think.
I can keep listing the reasons but ultimately I think I can go back to my earlier sentence which is that Ole wanted to switch to a proactive, dominant style of play, but the squad wasn't suitable for it...and at the same time the expectations skyrocketed after signing names like Sancho, Ronaldo and Varane. I think Ole said something similar on the Overlap, that the team wasn't as good as they themselves believed about themselves.
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Southgate is not better than Ten Hag, Jesus God what you lot want to subject us to. I'd rather have Carsley FFS.
Sir Gareth.
Southgate.
I want to be miserable at someone else.
I want to be miserable at someone else.
I’ve spent the last 5 years desperately wanting Southgate out of the England job. But ETH is so fecking bad that I’d take Southgate over him 10 times out of 10.
ETH. rather him hang on and get canned vs giving that boring stiff 2 years to right the ship.
This isn’t even a question.
Ten Hag is a complete fraud and clearly incompetent, but Southgate is probably the only option I would not take. I would rather keep the fraud.
Well we know for sure EtH won't achieve anything here,
This
Both aren't good coaches....we all know that since the last months.
But England were mostly very good in the defence under Southgate therefore him over Ten Hag.
EtH
FFS!
Can we get a poll going on which ex manager we want back out of Jose, Ole or Moyes?
Can we get a poll going on which ex manager we want back out of Jose, Ole or Moyes?
When you think you have already seen the most ridiculous thing this forum could ever produce, and then you see the OP asking if Southgate is better than Ten Hag...
What the feck. Southgate? I'd rather have the tea lady take charge over that coward. I'd take every one of our post SAF managers over him, including the interims.
We need to ban the word Southgate here as there is absolutely no chance we are even considering him
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Not so sure anymore. ETH is arguably the worst manager in the post Fergie era and it's hard to imagine anyone doing worse than him. I mean this guy was given a carte blanche on recruitment and went on to recruit his ex-players or the players he knew about in droves to have us 14th with 5 goals scored in 7 games in his third season. It's shocking how bad has this clown been.
EtH Out fans are themselves a weird, debilitating, self-serving holier than thou cult.
The proof?
Some of them genuinely would prefer Southgate as manager.
He suits our fanbase, though.
A guy who wins trophies over two seasons is worse than proven failures because we can't go on twitter and lord it over rival fans.
'I'm so tired get Southgate in. Even Moyes and Solskjaer were better than this knob head clown. If you don't agree with me you are a danger to my precious club. Liverpool are first...'
Please don't poll this, as it'll add fuel to one of the dumbest ideas entertained - hiring Southgate. Choose between ETH or a rock would be a similar poll.
Hahaha....The irony of calling others "self-serving holier than thou cult" when that has been your whole scam on the forum. Your posts are quite literally have been the worst addition on this forum over the past few months. But don't worry, you can join some other stalwarts (DM me for names) of the forum and may be eventually lead them if you continue in your merry way. Bravo!
There has been no bigger failure than ETH at this club. We are not Wigan to gloat over some mickey mouse cup win. ETH and his disciples have been seeking refuge under those when he has been utter shambles in the league after having spent GDP of a small nation. In this third season, he hasn't improved the personnel or the tactics to even have us on path back to a functioning team. At least with Jose or Ole there were periods of hope where it looked it that may be with a couple of signings that team can compete. Under this joker we have never looked like we are going anywhere.
Last season he hid behind the injuries despite having us play suicidal football and we have to bear him and his nonsense this season because he won two mickey mouse cups. Buzz off!
Just rename the thread Turd vs Crap manager edition.
Southgate hasn’t managed at Club level for nearly 10 years.
Last time we hired someone who had t been in club management for a long time, even as an interim, was a disaster.
Proven upgrade or stay with.
Last time we hired someone who had t been in club management for a long time, even as an interim, was a disaster.
Proven upgrade or stay with.
I would pick the rock easily, not even joking.
No, just a rock.
ETH any day, Southgate has the most talented national team on the planet by a distance (other than France) but still plays like a minnow.
There would be fan protests and Southgate Out banners from the first home game *if* Southgate was appointed. The board would have to have pretty strong tunnel vision and lack of awareness if they made that decision
Ten Hag every day.
If Southgate's performance as England manager puts in him good stead to manage a top club let him try (and probably fail) somewhere else.
If Southgate's performance as England manager puts in him good stead to manage a top club let him try (and probably fail) somewhere else.
If Southgate were manager, matches like Villa would become the norm. The upside would be we wouldn't get smashed easily.
Uh oh
Southgate - which says it all.
At least he would play a recognisable system which the players could understand
At least he would play a recognisable system which the players could understand
Neither.
No credible journalist has ever linked us to Southgate so a mute point anyways but some will have a meltdown anyways.
No credible journalist has ever linked us to Southgate so a mute point anyways but some will have a meltdown anyways.
No way, Southgate's football would be torture to watch as we'd rarely score a goal, but we wouldn't be wide open and getting absolutely destroyed by most half decent teams.
With Ten Hag, we still don't score goals (most of the time), get played off the park regularly and concede a lot of goals.
Noone should have to be subjected to either of them, but if I had to choose at this stage, I'd take Southgate's boring dross over being utterly embarassed every other week.
I've had enough of Erik and his delusions of grandeur, and want him out of the club. If Southgate was genuinely the only other option then I think I'd have to take him on the belief that he would probably get us better organised and harder to score against. Would we be entertaining and free-scoring? Possibly a bit and unlikely. But overall we would finish higher up the league and be more competitive week in week out.
Either way, Southgate can't make us any worse than we already are. I've not wanted him in charge but I would take him today - and it really pains me to say that.
Either way, Southgate can't make us any worse than we already are. I've not wanted him in charge but I would take him today - and it really pains me to say that.
I'd actually stop watching if Southgate came.
Rather Rooney
Rather Rooney
Might as well keep ETH if Southgate is the only alternative.
Thankfully, he is not.
Thankfully, he is not.
I can't imagine any one being worse than ten Hag.
He's egotistical, petty, naive, takes zero accountability and commands zero respect from the players.
Southgate is just as weak tactically but he's got enough common sense to realise it's a fool's errand to back Rashford, and seems to be pretty well liked by the England players.
He's egotistical, petty, naive, takes zero accountability and commands zero respect from the players.
Southgate is just as weak tactically but he's got enough common sense to realise it's a fool's errand to back Rashford, and seems to be pretty well liked by the England players.
Imagine being so consumed with hate for ETH that you actually think Gareth Fecking Southgate is better manager. Utter delusion and not sure you can take anyone seriously with that point of view.