If it was between these two, I would keep ETH. I am not at big fan of Southgate.
Erik ten Hag or Gareth Southgate?
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I’m ETH out but if it was a choice between the 2 I’m keeping ETH
Southgate only as an interim manager, otherwise ETH until the end of season and then bring in a proper replacement.
For someone not living in the UK, or following your press, for me Southgate produced terrific results with the english national team. But I guess there is more to it that we "outsiders" doesn't understand. But to me he at least seems like a likeable bloke, compared...
But our national coaches, Sweden, has never been anything else then just that, national coaches. So I guess I see your point.
But our national coaches, Sweden, has never been anything else then just that, national coaches. So I guess I see your point.
Why do Ten Hag supporters keep bringing up Southgate as a way to fearmonger fans to back the manager?
I don't get the point of this question at all. It's not like Southgate is the only manager on the planet, nor does thinking ETH is better/worse than Southgate tell you anything meaningful about either level.
Mays well ask Garnacho or Dan James... like what's the point???
PS - not being an ass, would genuinely like to know why the Southgate comparison keeps coming up as if it's justification to keep ETH.
Southgate and that's only because it's the evil we do not know (yet)
But seriously neither.
But seriously neither.
Is that what's happening? Seems like a genuine question, as shit as it may be.
Neither
I'd rather a collaborative Caf effort than either of those
I'd rather a collaborative Caf effort than either of those
I definitely don't want Southgate, but he has good man management skills and if he had a decent coaching team with him (not Steve Holland BTW, he went stale), he would be better than ETH.
I would take southgate at this rate, he has more positives to him than eth at this point, he wouldn't constantly put his foot in his mouthand alienate players for a start and would deal with it in the correct and diplomatic which I know sounds boring to some but it is the correct way to handle team moral which you can't fault southgate for during his time at england. He also know how to handle a high pressure managerial role, something ten hag is not good at.
Southgate is very mediocre, but EtH is absolutely terrible. So Southgate every day of the week.
Devil or the deep sea? Lemme see...how about, none of them? Ugh..
Variety is the spice of life. Give me another manager to dislike. Give me Southgate.
ETH miles better
I’d rather the Glazer’s liquidated the club than either in charge
Surely the latter is worse?
Yeah, I am genuinely baffled as well, it seems Southgate works here as sort of scapegoat / lightning rod for who knows what national sin… maybe he is posh, living in the ‘50s, mediocre at best as a coach… and yet…….
This question is like asking, would you prefer to sleep with your mam or your nan..... neither thank you very much and the same goes to the question of the thread.
Anyone of Us would.
This is like the "Lennon or Macartney", but for bad things.
C) Eboue
On a serious note, I’ve no doubt that Southgate would get us significantly better results than we’ve seen from ETH. Heck, maybe even top four. It would just be an absolute misery to watch.
Kind of like being asked do you want kicked in the left nut or the right nut
I think Southgate is complete excrement dressed in a waistcoat with less charisma than the average Tory Party member. His club record is risible.
But I'd take him over the fraudulent cue ball right now.
But I'd take him over the fraudulent cue ball right now.
It's just such a shame that we can't have both. Maybe a Roy Evans style joint manager setup, Ten Hag focussing on midfield stability and Southgate on exciting forward play.
International football ruined for last eight years, so why not give him an eight year contact with us and then I can finally lose interest in football altogether.
Would take Gareth Barry over The Hag.
Jesus what a choice. Would you rather have a tooth pulled out with a set of pliers or your big toe nail?
As much as I never want him anywhere near the club, if Southgate was I charge he’d be doing a damn sight better than ETH has done.
Ten Hag's accomplishments, particularly with Ajax, show a level of tactical brilliance that I doubt Southgate could replicate. The side he built at Ajax was truly remarkable.
Unfortunately, things haven’t worked out for Ten Hag at United so far, but he's certainly not the first manager to struggle under the immense pressure that comes with the job. Managing United is a monumental challenge, with every decision scrutinized by the media and fans alike. However, the results just haven’t been good enough, and at this rate, I doubt he’ll be in the role beyond next season—if he even makes it that far.
That being said, I don't believe Southgate is the right person to step in. If INEOS decides to go in that direction, I’d seriously question their judgment. Southgate may have done relatively well with England, but taking over a club like United is an entirely different level of responsibility.
Unfortunately, things haven’t worked out for Ten Hag at United so far, but he's certainly not the first manager to struggle under the immense pressure that comes with the job. Managing United is a monumental challenge, with every decision scrutinized by the media and fans alike. However, the results just haven’t been good enough, and at this rate, I doubt he’ll be in the role beyond next season—if he even makes it that far.
That being said, I don't believe Southgate is the right person to step in. If INEOS decides to go in that direction, I’d seriously question their judgment. Southgate may have done relatively well with England, but taking over a club like United is an entirely different level of responsibility.
You sense under Southgate we'd get quite good at beating bottom half clubs but fall short against the top 6. Probably end up finishing about 5th....
Which is a hell of a lot better than Erik Ten Hag can manage that's for sure.
Which is a hell of a lot better than Erik Ten Hag can manage that's for sure.
People moaning about mediocrity and then picking southgate. 
Easily Southgate. In fact there isn’t a manager in the world that I’d not have over Ten Hag I think.
I promise, not trolling, even though I'm an Arsenal fan.
Even United supporters tend to agree that it's a disparate, mismatched squad right now. And one thing that national team managers are good at is fitting together players from multiple clubs who rarely train together into something that looks vaguely like a football team. It would produce utterly boring matches, but Southgate as head coach for 18 months while an actual director of football assembles a squad that fits together wouldn't be that bad an option.
Even United supporters tend to agree that it's a disparate, mismatched squad right now. And one thing that national team managers are good at is fitting together players from multiple clubs who rarely train together into something that looks vaguely like a football team. It would produce utterly boring matches, but Southgate as head coach for 18 months while an actual director of football assembles a squad that fits together wouldn't be that bad an option.
Those who are saying Southgate, don't realize how bad and outdated he is tactically
Done nothing at club level, and a complete tactical revolution had taken place in these last 15 years since he left Middlesbrough.
And in international football, a much more "arcade" version of club football, where tactics don't even matter as much, as it's tactically lagging at least a decade behind club football, Southgate still managed to be one of the worst managers out there tactically, in a sea of washed up coaches that have no chance of getting a gig at the elite level anymore (except Nagelsmann currently).
He handicapped his overpowered and stacked England teams in every single major international tournament with his unbalanced elevens and cowardly tactics.
Even ten Hag's pre-United managerial career is light years ahead anything Southgate has ever, and will likely ever achieve. Just because he's stubbornly trying to make an unusual tactical approach work at United, that probably won't ever work, that doesn't mean he, as another poster said, still won't likely have a good managerial career after United sack him. He's already one of the best managers Ajax have ever had, and he will probably manage to rebuild his career in the Bundesliga or somewhere else, and will probably even work himself up to another top job in the somewhat distant future. He has also shown a lot of tactical prowess before, both at Ajax and United. Southgate has never shown any, either for England or at Boro. He has shown the opposite: absolute cluelessness.
Southgate will never manage a top club unless they have owners with abysmal decision making. I'd even argue that there aren't any current Premier League managers who aren't light years ahead of him. Nuno and Cooper are the two closest but not sure Southgate is better than them either.
Done nothing at club level, and a complete tactical revolution had taken place in these last 15 years since he left Middlesbrough.
And in international football, a much more "arcade" version of club football, where tactics don't even matter as much, as it's tactically lagging at least a decade behind club football, Southgate still managed to be one of the worst managers out there tactically, in a sea of washed up coaches that have no chance of getting a gig at the elite level anymore (except Nagelsmann currently).
He handicapped his overpowered and stacked England teams in every single major international tournament with his unbalanced elevens and cowardly tactics.
Even ten Hag's pre-United managerial career is light years ahead anything Southgate has ever, and will likely ever achieve. Just because he's stubbornly trying to make an unusual tactical approach work at United, that probably won't ever work, that doesn't mean he, as another poster said, still won't likely have a good managerial career after United sack him. He's already one of the best managers Ajax have ever had, and he will probably manage to rebuild his career in the Bundesliga or somewhere else, and will probably even work himself up to another top job in the somewhat distant future. He has also shown a lot of tactical prowess before, both at Ajax and United. Southgate has never shown any, either for England or at Boro. He has shown the opposite: absolute cluelessness.
Southgate will never manage a top club unless they have owners with abysmal decision making. I'd even argue that there aren't any current Premier League managers who aren't light years ahead of him. Nuno and Cooper are the two closest but not sure Southgate is better than them either.
Southgate gets more out of this group of players then ETH I reckon, Ole showed that with very little tactical nous but a arm around the shoulder approach it can inspire decent performances.
The thread signifies the choice between both given the current state of affairs, for the last 12 months I would have Erik was one of the worst managers in the league.
The thread signifies the choice between both given the current state of affairs, for the last 12 months I would have Erik was one of the worst managers in the league.
Ole is light years ahead of Southgate tactically.
Someone with "very little tactical nous" doesn't achieve half of what Ole did at United.
Please don't compare bums like Southgate (or Lampard) to Ole.
I didn't compare but contrast that both fit in the same category irrespective.
Ole on the overlap self-admittedly recognized where the transcendence was for the team to reach new heights and he was unable to do so which I would put down to lacking the capacity.
I would actually prefer Ole / Southgate to Erik, I think given hindsight and an objective view that Ten Hag is one of the most overrated managers to have graced the club given his perceived value and the expectation given what he achieved at Ajax.
It's not an astute choice, I would take neither in a contemporary managers market but with the decision the OP granted it's Southgate all day over Ten Hag.
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