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Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In what way are my posts hypocritical? As far as I am concerned we are doing well under ETH, the evidence of that is a) comfortably top 4, b) already won a trophy, c) in the final of the FA Cup, d) some good signings e) highest win rate of any United manager in his first 50 games. Therefore defending that is justified.
What is hypocritical is people who defended Ole even through periods that were FAR worse than anything that ETH has served up, sticking the boot in on ten Hag at every opportunity - in spite of him outperforming Ole by every metric in his first year. Do you not see the difference?
What are you on about? Wout didn't start.
He was the number one target. The recruitment team let him down in their attempt to get the deal done swiftly and we quite literally paid for it. It was obvious to everyone that Antony was our top target in that position and we had to show that we were backing the new manager and get him.
That is categorically not on Ten Hag
Same as Frenkie.
Which is down to Ten Hag
Still think he's doing a great job this season, but I'm certain that if he isn't ruthless in the summer with some players, he won't be here for the next one.
Expectations are ridiculously high for a team that was absolutely horseshit last season, the season before, the season before that and the season before that. In fact, we've been fecking horrendous for about 10 years. ETH has tried to challenge in every competition and had to cope with numerous, and I mean numerous, injuries. We're now missing our first and second choice defenders, our only CF has spent the entire season on the sidelines, our most creative CM was out for 3 months, our only good DM has missed 7 games through suspension. Yet after all that, here we are, in pole position for top 4, a trophy under our belt, a cup final against our bitter rivals. Yet, you'd think we were facing relegation with all the commotion after a draw.
A lot of that is because our finishing has been largely shit.
According to Understat, we've underperformed xG by 7.6 for the season so far. Only Chelsea, West Ham, and Everton have had worse finishing by that measure. Spurs have scored 12 more goals than us from 5 less xG (and yeah, xG is a bit shit for several reasons, but one thing it's decent for is long term trends like that).
I'm in the same boat. Can't we just persuade Overmars to come here?!
What are these expectations you think are "ridiculously high" ? For someone claiming we're talking a lot of nonsense, you do imagine points and then post replies on them.
Apologies for not hearing myself in the mirror, I should pay more attention. Only a very strange football fan would describe remaining comfortably in the top 4 and qualifying for the FA Cup Final - in the midst of an injury crisis as a 'shitshow'. Do you even enjoy football?!
1. He got fired for sexual misconduct
2. He recently had a stroke
Edit: Those two are not related
reductio ad absurdum
You literally complain every time we lose. I assume you're expecting us to win every game. Hell, we made the FA cup final and this thread moved more after we picked up a point against Spurs. Like I said, expectations are ridiculously high.
We have a chance to win 2 of the 4 competitions we were in along with a top 4 finish and you're still complaining. Again, I can only assume that's not enough, so what are your expectations? The only thing that could better what we're achieving so far is a title challenge.
Yes, and that's why I realize when we're playing good football and when we're shit, and I don't put excuses for it.
Complaining after dropping points is now "ridiculously high expectations".
I have seen it all I guess.
we haven't had a fecking centre forward! Have you only just noticed our goal difference? We have most clean sheets (in spite of the narrative of us constantly getting spanked) - it's our offensive stats that need improvement...
Not entirely on him but he had the final say on transfers. He should've known the guy was not worth that much, or is too limited to be our starting winger.
Also, not defending our recruiting, but they prioritized Timber first because cb was more important. If we signed Antony first then maybe they ask for more for the defender.
It's not his job to decide how much players are worth. He is also our best player on the right. We are noticeably worse when he doesn't play so I categorically don't agree that he's not good enough to be our starting winger.
Our first 2 subs were made on 61 minutes and one of them was Martial, hardly a pressing machine to push Spurs back. The other was Fred, who I wouldn't be surprised if he was playing for Spurs next season given the amount of times he played it to their players.
On 71 minutes he brought on Malacia and Weghorst for AWB and Antony meaning both our left and right side was distorted from the changes and that where Spurs threatened the most.
Poor in game management.
I meant for a club with titles and cl winning aspirations. Not just be better than Elanga and Pellestri for 85m.
What does this mean?
"Well he can't be a very good manager because if one of his players scored fewer goals the results wouldn't be as good."
Who would you have subbed on?
If Pep played me in goal for City, they'd get relegated. What a b.ald fraud!
I feel we play well in some games and really shit in others.
We need to learn to controll games better.
Hopefully the cup final is like vs Barcelona.
We need to learn to controll games better.
Hopefully the cup final is like vs Barcelona.
It just means that ten Hag isn't the first United manager who has taken over a hot mess and had to deal with it.
Why don’t you let the lad settle in first before deciding he’s shite. Christ.
Each situation is different, though, even if broadly speaking United were "a mess". A mess can have varying degrees of hotness. If you are suggesting the club wasn't in complete shambles when Ten Hag took the job, then I'd have to disagree vehemently. If you're arguing that other managers also took over the club when it was at a low ebb, you've just stated the obvious that applies to every manager who takes over a club.
Yep, and so far he's doing better at it than anyone else.
We went in late precisely because of ETH. He spent the entire summer chasing a Barca midfielder who clearly didn't want to come.
Can't blame the club on this one even though some will do. The manager dictated the window this time. The Frenkie De Jong chase was embarrassing.
Yeah, it was the first time we fecked up with a deal because of incompetence, that definitely didn't happen before ETH arrived and it's all his fault.
It's the clubs fault that he had to rely on targets selected by him.
Exactly how it looked as well.
Bruno the biggest culprit, unfortunately, even if he gives a lot of effort. That miss was a joke.
The club was a shambles when ten Hag took over. But so it was when every other United manager took ever. That's the point. I don't see anything special here. Is the football better than last year? Sure it is! But so it was for all the other managers too in their first year at the club.
It's not the improvement over last year that I doubt, it's the statements that claim he is doing an miracle job. A miracle would be to challenge for the league, but we are certainly not doing that. There are no miracles here, just a good job.
Of course it did but I think this time it was on the manager. We wanted Frenkie and clearly couldn't afford both players.
Casemiro was 20-30m cheaper and probably allowed us to get it done and it cost us.
Antony hasn't even been good either. He's actually been largely poor.
Sabitzer for Eriksen and pressed from the front. Sabitzer has more match rhythm and sharpness than Fred.
We should've made as less changes as possible and let the players on the pitch sort it out.
I think this season was half-decent but by no means good or great. We’’really showing a bit of cohesiveness and some proper patterns of play are starting to show but we’re being let down by a number of players who just aren’t good enough at this level.
Some of our early statement wins against City, Barcelona and the Carabao cup final might have overshadowed our persistent deficiencies in the basics like ball distribution and passing etc.
We are a work in progress and a few years away from a title challenge.
Some of our early statement wins against City, Barcelona and the Carabao cup final might have overshadowed our persistent deficiencies in the basics like ball distribution and passing etc.
We are a work in progress and a few years away from a title challenge.
It's sad when you think how far we're off from challenging for the CL as well as the PL, we're a good 3-4 years off from that.
I'd be more focused on United and on what progress has been made on last season which was 6th place finish in the league and knocked out of the two domestic cup competitions in the early rounds at home by West Ham and championship Middlesbrough (that is what was really a poor United team) A top four finish with a trophy won will be a good first season for Ten Hag who's had to deal with a lot of injuries, little strength in depth to cover such injuries and the circus that the man child Ronaldo caused. Erik after this season should have fair idea on which players he'll want to keep and offload
Ya hopefully, as i said I love the work he's doing