Tom Van Persie
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You did not understand what I said. What I mean in simple language is " ETH now have proper people to report to. People who demand good performance and result. The glazers are not football people, they are businessmen and Fletcher does not have that power to question ETH"ETH's failings are Darren Fletcher's fault" is a new and original argument, I'll give you that.
We've traded one dysfunctional ownership model for another. Seriously not a good look for the people running the club to not have a shared vision on how to move forward.Tweet
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This gets funnier everyday.Tweet
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You definitely have it in you to be a sports journalistIt is entirely possible that the "review" entails a lot more than the manager, which if true would be a good idea. That said, this needs to come to a conclusion very soon so that whatever the results of the review may be the to-do items can be put into motion. Last week I wrote that Tuesday (today) would be about right to announce the decision on ten Hag and I stick to that, but this may drag on through when ten Hag comes back from vacation, which presumably is this weekend, so that he may be informed in person first and then the announcement can be made, rather than letting him know by text or phone call while he's on vacation.
He wanted full control over transfers when he joined and has started building his own team, you cannot interrupt this in the middle of the process. If you refuse to buy him his own targets and instead fill the team with the players he didn’t ask for, you can’t expect him to perform better.His only 'successful' signing is Martinez and you want him to be indulged again? So fans want more expensive duds like Anthony? What is it with Ten Hag that he is able to hoodwink so many people?
What a load of nonsense. That Jacobs guy has no idea.Tweet
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This is the bloke who said it was nailed on that Qatar would buy the club so yeah, pinch of salt maybe.What a load of nonsense. That Jacobs guy has no idea.
Well obviously, but don't let the truth get in the way of a few clicks.What a load of nonsense. That Jacobs guy has no idea.
Don't think he did this.This is the bloke who said it was nailed on that Qatar would buy the club so yeah, pinch of salt maybe.
I disagree.The excuses trotted out by those who refuse to accept that he is a substandard manager are pathetic.The litany of excuses run the gamut from 'lengthy injury list ' to 'new style of play' to 'poor structure' and the latest I have seen is 'doesn't understand the currency'.
Sure, but why wait until the end of the season? They've had the keys to the castle since February and plenty of access under the hood since the beginning of the diligence period over a year ago.It is entirely possible that the "review" entails a lot more than the manager, which if true would be a good idea. That said, this needs to come to a conclusion very soon so that whatever the results of the review may be the to-do items can be put into motion. Last week I wrote that Tuesday (today) would be about right to announce the decision on ten Hag and I stick to that, but this may drag on through when ten Hag comes back from vacation, which presumably is this weekend, so that he may be informed in person first and then the announcement can be made, rather than letting him know by text or phone call while he's on vacation.
I mean this is just a joke, whether you are for or against.They should have give some of us the 'for Ten Hag' and 'against Ten Hag' roles. I reckon we'd have had their heads spinning.
You don't just give any old manager time. Doing that to a manager that isn't good enough is a 100% guarantee of failure, far more than changing managers is. And it's incredibly clear that all of our previous managers were not good enough, so utilising them in an argument to say that sacking them didn't work so we shouldn't sack any further managers is a terrible argument. The decision to keep ETH has to be based on ETH himself, not some imaginary scenario where if we'd kept Moyes/LVG/Mourinho/Ole they would have turned things around and we'd be successful which is effectively what you are doing.I agree, he has been stubborn and deluded this seasons saying we play good football etc..
The same way Ten Hag is stubborn and hasn't learn, the fans dont learn either do they? We are an up and down club for 11 years, yet we want to see short term managers come in, get sacked. New manager, then call for his head...
I cant tell you that he will be playing fast free flowing football next season, but I can tell you we can sack him fine, we will be having the exact same conversation 2 years from now. "manager x" needs to be sacked because we finished 6th.
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Yeah it is ridiculous. If they're all for, or against, just make a fecking decision. To be honest I'm calling bullshit on this one. I don't know if he's more reliable that that Phil De Brun, or whatever he's called, but he said Blanc wanted to give him another year but Wilcox and Brailsford disagreed. So contradicting stories straight away.I mean this is just a joke, whether you are for or against.
Its something you see in primary school.
well tbh, some in this thread are acting like oneStopped reading at fan boys.
Post seriously and wel give it another go.
To be fair United fans in general are way more patient than the fans of most big clubs. And what the fans think or say doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. After 2 years it's fair game for a fan to be pissed off with the lack of progress.I agree, he has been stubborn and deluded this seasons saying we play good football etc..
The same way Ten Hag is stubborn and hasn't learn, the fans dont learn either do they? We are an up and down club for 11 years, yet we want to see short term managers come in, get sacked. New manager, then call for his head...
I cant tell you that he will be playing fast free flowing football next season, but I can tell you we can sack him fine, we will be having the exact same conversation 2 years from now. "manager x" needs to be sacked because we finished 6th.
You don't just give any old manager time. Doing that to a manager that isn't good enough is a 100% guarantee of failure, far more than changing managers is. And it's incredibly clear that all of our previous managers were not good enough, so utilising them in an argument to say that sacking them didn't work so we shouldn't sack any further managers is a terrible argument. The decision to keep ETH has to be based on ETH himself, not some imaginary scenario where if we'd kept Moyes/LVG/Mourinho/Ole they would have turned things around and we'd be successful which is effectively what you are doing.
If INEOS (or to be more exact the people they hire to make those decisions) judge that ETH isn't good enough, it'd be utterly idiotic to keep him just because sacking previous incompetent managers didn't work.
They aren't. It's just lazy name calling by opposition schools of thoughts that don't have a case of their own.well tbh, some in this thread are acting like one
No, I think you don't get my point, I never said none of those managers should be sacked, they deserved to be sacked.You don't just give any old manager time. Doing that to a manager that isn't good enough is a 100% guarantee of failure, far more than changing managers is. And it's incredibly clear that all of our previous managers were not good enough, so utilising them in an argument to say that sacking them didn't work so we shouldn't sack any further managers is a terrible argument. The decision to keep ETH has to be based on ETH himself, not some imaginary scenario where if we'd kept Moyes/LVG/Mourinho/Ole they would have turned things around and we'd be successful which is effectively what you are doing.
If INEOS (or to be more exact the people they hire to make those decisions) judge that ETH isn't good enough, it'd be utterly idiotic to keep him just because sacking previous incompetent managers didn't work.
I disagree.The excuses trotted out by those who refuse to accept that he is a substandard manager are pathetic.The litany of excuses run the gamut from 'lengthy injury list ' to 'new style of play' to 'poor structure' and the latest I have seen is 'doesn't understand the currency'.Stopped reading at fan boys.
Post seriously and wel give it another go.
Everyone's been busy playing football, and I imagine rather than wading in like a fanny, they've decided to take their time.Sure, but why wait until the end of the season? They've had the keys to the castle since February and plenty of access under the hood since the beginning of the diligence period over a year ago.
We can't move ahead with our transfers or prep plans for next season the longer this drags on. We need to know who the manager will be.Everyone's been busy playing football, and I imagine rather than wading in like a fanny, they've decided to take their time.
It's not like we're sabotaging next season or anything; there's nothing to lose as far as I can see...other than some bullshit image of "being decisive".
Agreed, but we carry on as if its only the manager to blame. Look at the arguments we have been having for 2 years.To be fair United fans in general are way more patient than the fans of most big clubs. And what the fans think or say doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. After 2 years it's fair game for a fan to be pissed off with the lack of progress.
Yeah take what he says with a pinch of salt and all that. Still won't stop people from overreacting to reports.What a load of nonsense. That Jacobs guy has no idea.
Name me 1 manager that gets 100% signings that come off.I disagree.The excuses trotted out by those who refuse to accept that he is a substandard manager are pathetic.The litany of excuses run the gamut from 'lengthy injury list ' to 'new style of play' to 'poor structure' and the latest I have seen is 'doesn't understand the currency'.
But his fans do not bother to explain why the likes of Newport,Coventry and even Sheffield gave him a hard time(I will not mention the thrashings by epl teams).They cannot explain the poor substitutions leading to loss of points in the dying minutes of games or even the buying of duds like Anthony.
All we hear is that he will do better next season.Will the new guys at INEOS handle substitutions?Will they intervene when he employs his suicide donut formation where the midfield is a yawning hole?What guarantees are there that there will be no injuries to Martinez and Shaw or even Bruno?As a well-paid professional why is Ten Hag unable to adapt when there are forced changes to the playing unit? These are matters that any manager worth his salt should be able to handle. If he is not sacked and he is getting thrashed again next season I am sure his support base is preparing another excuse-'taking time to adjust to the new structure'.
"To be sacked, or not to be sacked, that is the question"Only we can turn a managerial keep or sack decision into a Shakespearean play.
Also all of those clubs don’t have a history of dithering in the market anyways. And Arsenal are going to wrap up Sesko soon, and Chelsea have already snagged Estevao and are wrapping up Tosin while also possibly taking the lead on Olise.I love this tactic that fans use. Liverpool, Arsenal, City dont need squad overhauls.
Chelsea have completed 2, sacked their manager, hired a manager, almost signed Tosin, in talks with Ollise.
The other teams only need fine tuning, they need 1/2 players, whereas Manutd need like 6.
The manager is never the only one to blame, every United fan knows about the Glazers. But how the team performs game to game is ultimately the managers responsibility. Did we have a giant hole where our midfield should have been and got overrun in the middle of the pitch all season because of the Glazers. No it was because of Ten Hag. Yes there has been issues at the club which have not helped managers but that doesn't mean the managers have been good enough either.Agreed, but we carry on as if its only the manager to blame. Look at the arguments we have been having for 2 years.
Is Rashford good enough
Is Maguire good enough
Is Shaw good enough
Is AWB good enough
Is Lindelof good enough
Is McT good enough
Is Bruno good enough
Is Martial good enough
They all have 3/4 good game and yes they are good enough, then 3 months later we are having the same argument.
These conversations for most of the players have been going on for 6 years yet ofcourse, its the manager who need to worry about.
Lets be clear, there's no excusing the league position. If you bothered to properly analyse the school of thought that some posters had, you'd see that.I disagree.The excuses trotted out by those who refuse to accept that he is a substandard manager are pathetic.The litany of excuses run the gamut from 'lengthy injury list ' to 'new style of play' to 'poor structure' and the latest I have seen is 'doesn't understand the currency'.
But his fans do not bother to explain why the likes of Newport,Coventry and even Sheffield gave him a hard time(I will not mention the thrashings by epl teams).They cannot explain the poor substitutions leading to loss of points in the dying minutes of games or even the buying of duds like Anthony.
All we hear is that he will do better next season.Will the new guys at INEOS handle substitutions?Will they intervene when he employs his suicide donut formation where the midfield is a yawning hole?What guarantees are there that there will be no injuries to Martinez and Shaw or even Bruno?As a well-paid professional why is Ten Hag unable to adapt when there are forced changes to the playing unit? These are matters that any manager worth his salt should be able to handle. If he is not sacked and he is getting thrashed again next season I am sure his support base is preparing another excuse-'taking time to adjust to the new structure'.
Who carries on like it's only the manager to blame? That's quite a generalisation.Agreed, but we carry on as if its only the manager to blame. Look at the arguments we have been having for 2 years.
Is Rashford good enough
Is Maguire good enough
Is Shaw good enough
Is AWB good enough
Is Lindelof good enough
Is McT good enough
Is Bruno good enough
Is Martial good enough
They all have 3/4 good game and yes they are good enough, then 3 months later we are having the same argument.
These conversations for most of the players have been going on for 6 years yet ofcourse, its the manager who need to worry about.
I can already guess another one " the board didn't show total confidence in him after the FA cup win, so how can you expect him to be motivated to work hard for them?"All we hear is that he will do better next season.Will the new guys at INEOS handle substitutions?Will they intervene when he employs his suicide donut formation where the midfield is a yawning hole?What guarantees are there that there will be no injuries to Martinez and Shaw or even Bruno?As a well-paid professional why is Ten Hag unable to adapt when there are forced changes to the playing unit? These are matters that any manager worth his salt should be able to handle. If he is not sacked and he is getting thrashed again next season I am sure his support base is preparing another excuse-'taking time to adjust to the new structure'.
Oh look these clubs make deals happen before the window. Look at Chelsea, they wrapped up Estevao during the season but the caf will say, no we can't talk to players before 14th June.Also all of those clubs don’t have a history of dithering in the market anyways. And Arsenal are going to wrap up Sesko soon, and Chelsea have already snagged Estevao and are wrapping up Tosin while also possibly taking the lead on Olise.
Name me a top club that is fighting for top honours that has 7/8 regular starters that they argue is / isnt good enough for 6 years.The manager is never the only one to blame, every United fan knows about the Glazers. But how the team performs game to game is ultimately the managers responsibility. Did we have a giant hole where our midfield should have been and got overrun in the middle of the pitch all season because of the Glazers. No it was because of Ten Hag. Yes there has been issues at the club which have not helped managers but that doesn't mean the managers have been good enough either.
As for is player xyz good enough. Maybe or maybe not, same with every players at every club.