Thanks, that shows things are not as bad as some are portraying them! A bit of perspective is always helpful.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Votes can now be changed
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A weekend away from the ETH discussion has been great 
I think if he doesn’t get sacked tomorrow, which seems very unlikely at this point, then he’s not getting sacked at this point at all. It does make me wonder what the executive have in mind here. If he wasn’t sacked for what has happened thus far, at a point when the season is still salvageable, then I can’t imagine what it would take for him to actually be sacked, when the season past this point, if we continue our current trend, will go beyond being salvageable.
It’s hard to imagine them being okay with an entire season being written off from the start, but the lack of movement on this seems to suggest just that.
I think if he doesn’t get sacked tomorrow, which seems very unlikely at this point, then he’s not getting sacked at this point at all. It does make me wonder what the executive have in mind here. If he wasn’t sacked for what has happened thus far, at a point when the season is still salvageable, then I can’t imagine what it would take for him to actually be sacked, when the season past this point, if we continue our current trend, will go beyond being salvageable.
It’s hard to imagine them being okay with an entire season being written off from the start, but the lack of movement on this seems to suggest just that.
Imagine if Ten Hag genuinely turns us around this season (it won’t happen), it will be lauded as a genius masterstroke pulled off by any footballing board in recent times. A revival of fortunes would (to me) entail a top 4 finish and another cup.
I think if he gets 10th or above he stays. I personally think that's our level, 10th
I am very sure they are not ok with it and would like very much to sack.A weekend away from the ETH discussion has been great
I think if he doesn’t get sacked tomorrow, which seems very unlikely at this point, then he’s not getting sacked at this point at all. It does make me wonder what the executive have in mind here. If he wasn’t sacked for what has happened thus far, at a point when the season is still salvageable, then I can’t imagine what it would take for him to actually be sacked, when the season past this point, if we continue our current trend, will go beyond being salvageable.
It’s hard to imagine them being okay with an entire season being written off from the start, but the lack of movement on this seems to suggest just that.
Two possibilities 1) They are just as incompetent as the previous board and screwed up the contract clauses and cannot afford to sack him. 2) they are a very competent board and they want to get the right man who will work with this squad rather than splashing another 500M to get their own squad. So still trying to find them.
Yeah, he’s been objectively dire.
When we are sitting here as fans, watching the same tripe served every single week, it makes you wonder, how on earth does that guy still have a job? I don’t think INEOS managing the football side of the club was the relief that we were seeking after all those years under Glazers and Woodward.
Totally agree. It's like he's not even trying. I wouldn't mind so much if there was some kind of evidence that he's trying to change things up to make us better. But he so rigidly sticks to his "philosophy" that it's going to cost him his job and perhaps the next couple as well.
I think the bar he and INEOS will be setting for success will be much lower than that - probably top 7-8 will be enough. Thing is, even a top 4 finish would still be an underwhelming return considering where we were when he took over and that we spend more than half a billion since, most of that to sign players he handpicked himself, yet we would probably perceive it as something that would grant him another 3+ year contract.
I think they are playing the long game now. He’s been blabbering about process, long term plan and all, so behind the scenes he’s probably adamant it will take us 3+ more years before we can become competitive, hence extremely low expectations for this season and lack of reaction to poor results (which are ‘normal’ for the stage of the project we are in).
It’s Monday! Quick!!!
Someone put a sign outside Carrington reading “Average Eredivisie Players” with an arrow pointing left towards an open shed
As soon as Erik excitedly runs in with his tongue hanging out, someone shut and lock the door behind him
Someone put a sign outside Carrington reading “Average Eredivisie Players” with an arrow pointing left towards an open shed
As soon as Erik excitedly runs in with his tongue hanging out, someone shut and lock the door behind him
But you see he did that for the long term gains of the players getting used to his 'system'. And we're reaping the benefits of it this season or did you forget those 45 minutes against Palace and the 20-25 minute periods in the Southampton and Fulham games where we looked nothing more than decent?
If we stick with him 3-4 years from now we might look like a good side for 60 minutes or even entire games.
Yeah because we’ll be in league 1 with Barnsley
Tearing League 1 up you mean?
The only way a non-top 5 finish is acceptable is if we win the Europa League and qualify for the CL that way - anything less than that is unsustainable for our ability to build a squad capable of competing. However, that alone is not enough. We also need to actually play some good football and see som proper on-field progress, because where we are right now is very far away from where we want to be.
Considering we've won 1 of our last 11 games in Europe under him, and even that one was very lucky with Copenhagen missing a last-minute penalty, I don't think we are very likely to win Europa League at all. In the league top 5 is also a tough ask as we are already miles away not just in points but also performance. I honestly don't see how we can expect to finish ahead of any of Chelsea, Spurs, Villa or even Brighton or Newcastle, all of whom look far more solid than us. I'm obviously not even looking at City, Arsenal and Liverpool as we are much closer to Fulham, West Ham and Bournemouth than we are to them and it's not even debatable.
Agree.
The frustrating thing is that we could become more solid almost overnight. These players are good enough to not be the ridiculous outfit we are.
I'm hoping the last few weeks have been so brutal that ETH has no choice but to go back to basics. The Villa performance maybe a glimpse of that.
Oh great, perpetual survival mode.
This guy really has got expectations on the floor. His record that is being highlighted over the last few weeks has been just horrendous to read. I’m just amazed that his inability to improve the teams performances and results for 3 seasons is still been rewarded. I’ve never been at a lower point supporting United.
What’s more annoying that ETH’s stubbornness to adapt to the players he has, and wanted, is the lack of action from football people in the club - if they are happy with this poor manager then what are we in for in the long run.
Depressing stuff for United fans and when you can’t even look forward to match day anymore, it really is the end of days as a football fan.
What’s more annoying that ETH’s stubbornness to adapt to the players he has, and wanted, is the lack of action from football people in the club - if they are happy with this poor manager then what are we in for in the long run.
Depressing stuff for United fans and when you can’t even look forward to match day anymore, it really is the end of days as a football fan.
talk about being overly dramatic.. give them a couple of weeks we'll surely look better, if not, he'll be sacked
How many shots per game though? Progress.
Also, this is after signing his first choice RB and CB this summer too.
The Manchester United disease is thinking there's somehow virtue found in loyalty to a manager up to and beyond the point where his continued employment has completely written-off an entire season.
It's based in this ridiculous notion that Alex Ferguson was just some chump who benefited from time, and if time is afforded to someone else that they will easily be as successful.
There's nothing that needs to be seen about Ten Hag. The house is on fire yet there's a reluctance to call the fire bridge just yet, as doing so isn't the "Manchester United way" and it would be rash not to let the fire continue until at least we've mathematically missed out on Europe.
It's based in this ridiculous notion that Alex Ferguson was just some chump who benefited from time, and if time is afforded to someone else that they will easily be as successful.
There's nothing that needs to be seen about Ten Hag. The house is on fire yet there's a reluctance to call the fire bridge just yet, as doing so isn't the "Manchester United way" and it would be rash not to let the fire continue until at least we've mathematically missed out on Europe.
This is an offensive stat.How many shots per game though? Progress.
Also, this is after signing his first choice RB and CB this summer too.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/europa-league/teilnehmer/pokalwettbewerb/EL
Sort this by market value and let it sink in. United have twice the squad value than the next relevant team (we all know Spurs can't win anything, so we can ignore them). Yet we not only doubt if United can win the tournament (given the resources United should be massively favoured to do so), but are talking about winning matches at all.
And yet EtH hasn't been sacked yet. Half the teams in the EL would have sacked their managers already if they were in the same position in their domestic league United is in.
The sad thing is, saying we looked decent at any point during that Fulham game is actually a stretch.
I don’t think you are allowed to question that performance here. It’s up there with 45 mins at Palace and those 25 minutes at Spurs last season as an all time great.
But I agree with you. I thought we looked rather poor for majority of that game, barring a short spell in the first half.
Oops. Mitigating factors though — we’re missing Luke Shaw in the buildup.
You joke, but we are actually a much better team when Shaw plays. Shaw United.
He's not getting sacked. Why would they sack him in two weeks for poor performances, when they could have done it now whilst there's a chance to get things in order? He's here for the season, no matter where we are in the league (bar maybe relegation zone). I think it's clear that INEOS have written this off as a transition season for him.
Dalot offers more than Shaw in some aspects, even if he's out of position. His energy and tenacity is something Shaw can't match, for a start.
I disagree. I think 7 or whatever games we're in was sought as too early, but if things don't improve in 2-4 weeks, he'll be gone.
We're only 2 seasons and 7 games into his tenure. Give it another few weeks and we'll magically transform into a great team
I mean 7 games is way too early to judge. If this was Man City you could easily have a 28 game unbeaten run from here until next year and then we would all look like fools.
INEOS aren’t no mugs.
Honestly though how hard is it to get competent people in charge of your club. Even Barcelona have more intelligence and they’re like Paul Merson with money.
If the board did do that, then we're in deep deep trouble.
Because there's no excuse to not sack him now.
If they sacked him 2-4 weeks later with continued poor results, they'd have shown an indefensible lack of foresight.
This is how I see it, they've practically shafted themselves by sticking with him in the summer. Anything now looks like an admittance that they were wrong, and that is only compounded even further by the fact that they have stuck with him again when they had the perfect opportunity to part ways. If we continue as he have for 2-4 more weeks, the season is over.
7 games is too early to judge, but EtH has managed us for 124 matches, and has been utter shit for around 75% of that time. Director of football changing from Murtough to Ashworth doesn't make his tactics less insane, neither our results better than midtable.
The trouble I have with him is the trouble I had with Ole at the end of his tenure that he's showing no signs of progress and we are going backwards thus is despite being heavily backed with his already questionable strategy of signing loads of ec players
The football is absolutely insipid, we can't score and can't defend either. I'd be slightly less disgusted by his staying if we were at least playing good football just things hadn't quite clicked yet, but no it's slow, horrible football and we can't even pass the ball
Let's not forget the results and finishing position last season were appalling, yet we kept him just because we won the FA cup
I'd love to know their reasons for backing him when so many other clubs would have sacked him and with very good reason
The football is absolutely insipid, we can't score and can't defend either. I'd be slightly less disgusted by his staying if we were at least playing good football just things hadn't quite clicked yet, but no it's slow, horrible football and we can't even pass the ball
Let's not forget the results and finishing position last season were appalling, yet we kept him just because we won the FA cup
I'd love to know their reasons for backing him when so many other clubs would have sacked him and with very good reason
It’s actually been trending the wrong way since fergie left. Aside from Ole it’s been going down
Disappointing lack of leaked pics of him walking into Carrington this morning, sombrero at a jaunty angle while carrying loads of duty free bags full of huge Toblerones and litre bottles of vodka to be met by Omar and Dan saying 'Welcome back Erik. Have you a minute...'
He’ll be meeting Ashworth this morning to update his PDP and to be put on a 3 month action plan with some specific and measurable goals.
Tomorrow he’ll ring in sick and will say his GP has signed him off for a month with some ambiguous stress related illness.
Tomorrow he’ll ring in sick and will say his GP has signed him off for a month with some ambiguous stress related illness.