Is there enough in the bank from Ten Hag's time at the club to suggest we could be about to turn a corner?
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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So not only has INEOS fecked up by not sacking him in the summer, they now run the risk of missing out on the best replacement on the market in Tuchel because of their dithering about on whether to sack him now. They’re really making an arse of this manager situation.
Very true mate, our European campaigns have been let's say poor.
Not just ours, most of his campaigns with Ajax are also not impressive at all. The 18-19 campaign and the CL group stage of 21/22 are doing some heavy lifting.
Our form has been pretty much consistently poor from March 2023 over the course of 3 different seasons now. So I would say no, what we're seeing is what Ten Hag offers. There'll probably be no corner turning, we're just going round and round in a circle.
And then didn’t they immediately get knocked out in 21/22 by a weaker team than what they faced in the groups? Benfica was it?
Indeed, it's the same with his first 6 months at United that does most of the heavy lifting in his United stats. Using mostly someones elses squad and tactics with Rashford in the form of his life we looked a decent side. Not so much since.
Indeed.
If you insist, you're going to have to highlight which part of the post you quoted is either hysterical or drivel. If he is here for that period it means a lower standard has been ushered in already, so why do you assume it is not par for the course now as opposed to the wishful thinking that it isn't? 'The likes of West Ham' who beat us 2-0 at home last season?
Truth is we have no idea what is or is not acceptable to keep him in a job, given we slump lower in regard to standards by the season.
Feel free to make up your version of acceptable standards in countenance, which will be as speculative as what was written. The tilt goes in the direction of the underlying belief, neither is hysterical or nonsense until we find out what standards we are being held to account for.
You, having written more, have not deviated from your initial post, or, do you think, I've failed in my comprehension for a second time?
Why would we have gone out to Coventry?
I know. The other fanbases support their team, we support the manager and the team. Albeit, the team part is optional, considering that underperforming players (even academy ones) get abused online and booed at Old Trafford while the underperforming manager get applauded.
I dream for the day United becomes a more normal club, instead of a religious organization tasked at worshiping the manager.
Yeah that’s a weird take. Also if the “refs had done their job” for us last season we’d have been about 15 points better off.
I supported him till a couple of weeks ago but this is madness. He’s going to get sacked. Just get it over with.
You have zero clue about the club or the fanbase. It’s evident with the comments you keep making.
On a serious note though how many times do you go to OT and when did you last attend? I’m interested as to how you have gleaned this very specific perception of the club and fanbase.
Aye. I don’t recall anything specific that refs did wrong v Coventry. If anything I’m sure they denied us a penalty.
Hopefully @Fortitude can clarify.
The sad reality. The fans are bizarre
I see it's all still very reasonable in here.
People joke about it but I think the most impressive thing he’s done (from his perspective) is lower the expectations considerably
Solskjaer was sacked when we were 7th, Mourinho sacked when we were 6th. And both times it was a point of ridicule that we were so low.
Ten Hag has us in 14th after a piss easy start to the season. After finishing 8th last season.
If he gets us up to 7th or 6th before Christmas, then he’ll be seen as successful and having improved us, and won’t even be considered for the sack
Ineos didn't make a mistake. If Eth was sacked at end of last season, people would keep saying man utd has no patience and is a club that likes to sack managers. No patience with LVG even after he won the fa cup.
14th.
What does this add? Seriously
We are only 2 goal difference away from 12th TBF. Some positivity
It's not bizarre. It is what being a football supporter is about. Win together, lose together.
What does this add?
over 2 seasons is about as far from short sighted as you can get! if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd and manages like a turd....
It's ok ut context can work both ways, I do agree this isn't the worst period we have endured.
If we get outplayed and battered by Brentford watch the links to Frank start appearing rapid.
Don't be hysterical.
Ooooh this might have predicted the future!
Is there something having on the training ground that we're not yet seeing on matchday that is on the cusp of coming together?
Admittedly clutching at straws here.
Admittedly clutching at straws here.
Is it possible the club has taken stock, understood we’re a bit of a basket case, and lowered expectations accordingly in order the issue can be resolved ?
If so, I would imagine Erik has objectives, set by the club, that he’ll be measured against that align to the approach. He alluded to this in the Neville interview last year.
On the opposite side, many fan’s expectations will always be optimistically biased, and based on ‘Pashun’ more than logic - especially as they’re not party to the inner workings of the club.
It feels like the manager (any manager) is caught in between the two. It’s not an enviable position to maintain that pressure and keep working on improvement.
Nope. If that would have happened, we would have seen periods of good football on the pitch. However, when we are at best, we play like a mid table team and that lasts only for around 20-30 minutes, followed by playing like a lower midtable team, or a relegation fodder.
To add to that, EtHs substitutions seem to disrupt your momentum and your performances nearly always suffer when he makes in game changes.
I would compare that with Scaloni (a manager who wouldn't have a chance of getting the United job even with a world cup win) whos substitutions nearly always make a positive impact on the game.
I agree with this. His in game management rarely seems to deliver a positive impact. He seems quite inflexible.
Aye, I'm not sure if my memory is tricking me but I think I recall his changes being positive initially. Lately though you are right.
You can just see it man. Always happens. It’s like when there’s a manager who is the flavour of the month everyone jumps on the bandwagon and then a year later they don’t do aswell.
That’d basically indicate there was nothing wrong with performance as it merited 75 points (a very respectable tally which would have comfortably earned us a top 4 spot) only biased referees took 15 away.
Frank might use that games as an ‘interview’. In the 4 games they’ve played so far Brentford won the first 4-0, we then narrowly beat them 1-0 in return leg in 22-23, and last season we pulled off the miracle 2-1 McTominay comeback at OT and got a 1-1 win we didn’t deserve at their ground (they probably outplayed us worse than they did in a 4-0 but couldn’t finish). Fair to say Brentford were the much better team in two of these games, one was close and one we were slightly better in.
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