I’m not sure anybody knows anything including INEOS.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Yeah it’s pretty accurate actually.
Because not qualifying for Europe and finishing in mid table wouldn't be more expensive?
That's what I assumed too. But it seems like these guys are obsessed with being deliberate. So it's up to the football people (mainly Ashworth) to make the call. It's stupid, because we've all seen this before, but there you go.
Has he? Didn't know that.
Sorry I m uzuallee grate at spellin.
But we're not making things up. You're the one who thinks there's a mythical kind of data that only utd staff have access to that seems to be affecting their decision. Which you obviously think goes against the rest of the data.
You are saying Utd are the only club who have access to this other data which is affecting their decision, where every other club around the world uses the same data.
What other data could there possibly be?
I know
Naked pictures of the Board's wives?
Erm... We know it's going to be expensive yet they added more on to it in the summer.
Eww don't!
Maybe they're happy with the performance and Ten Hag is meeting targets
You make it sound like a binary choice.
Maybe it puts them in a position where they're stuck with the next manager come hell or high water - being stuck with Rangnick for 18 months+ for instance. Maybe it means they couldn't attract the higher regarded managers who might command respect and have to gamble on McKenna or the likes who they dont think the players will respond to?
Take care
This is a disgrace why weren’t the caf told about ?No one would know how to react to that
Someone makes a meme gif:
"Ten Hag when Eleven Hag walks in"
They won't miss the chance of a new manager playing the piano scene though
I’ve given away my tickets for Leicester at home. No point in the 7 hour round trip to watch this team under this Head Coach. No more.
This argument doesn't really hold up because there's countless cases of people with 'more data' to work with than the average person that still make horrendous decisions that most people can see from a mile away.
Would it not be true that Woodward, Arnold, Murtough etc. had more data than the average fan too? It's not a given that they then make good decisions with that data.
If we're going to make the argument that there's been too little time to judge INEOS, then by the same account, isn't it true that it's been too short a time to have full faith in them? If we're able to praise them already as many have, then they should also not be immune to doubts or concerns over some of their actions.
Running the club is far more than simply making a personnel decision, sacking EtH is just a personnel decision, you look at the performance and then decide, they are paid the big bucks to hire the right head coach, support that head coach, and do a lot more work in terms of football operations, you make it seem like it's the biggest decision ever to sack Ten Hag and it really is not, finding the best replacement is far more harder, building a successful team is far more harder, Ashworth and Co have a huge job ahead of them.
My bad if my response came as if you said the management celebrated cup win or anything like that
I'm plugging out the dodgy box and watching RuPaul with the missus when the Brentford game is on. If INEOS are hell-bent on having a bald man ruin my Saturday, it'll have to be him.
Anyone else wanna give away tickets? I prefer sometime in the spring.
He’s going if he continues to lose.
The one positive out of this is no leaks from the meeting unlike in the past.
This stuff about mysterious secret 'data' relating to ETH is a joke right?
The only 'data' that Ineos have on him that we dont have access to is what's written in his contract, obviously. Even then, we know roughly what it'll cost to sack him based on £9m a year that would probably take £12-15m for the club to pay off in a lump sum.
The only 'data' that Ineos have on him that we dont have access to is what's written in his contract, obviously. Even then, we know roughly what it'll cost to sack him based on £9m a year that would probably take £12-15m for the club to pay off in a lump sum.
Is it not possible to be happy and celebrate an FA cup final win while at the same time wanting the manager to feck off because it doesn't overwrite 18 months of dreadful, depressing form?This is indeed a new low. Now we are not allowed to be happy we beat the team that won the league 6 times in the last seven years in a final
If we won the CL he’d be like “Big clubs winning CL is not a big deal, we have a small club mentality.”
Also, comparing the FA cup to a CL win is ridiculous.
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Not according to Mr M.
Exactly. How so many can't see this is beyond me. You just have to keep trying until you find someone that does work and brings you success.
Also as we've seen at many a club you don't have to wait until everything is on fire to make a change.
I was also going to say hopefully we've moved on from giving them too long but here we are.
I suppose there are three options here.
1) It has been decided that Ten Hag has been sacked, but the news just hasn't been shared yet. In that case, no need for all the over the top stuff in this thread.
2) Ten Hag hasn't been sacked yet despite the situation being terrible, because of reasons that are valid (or at least, have some level of validity), but haven't been shared publicly. These reasons can have to do with still working on a replacement, financial issues, a long-term plan, something else I haven't thought of, or a combination of those. That's the 'unknown data'. In that case, fans might be right to ask for those reasons, but a bit of patience would still make sense.
3) Ten Hag hasn't been sacked because the management doesn't think the situation is that bad, despite everyone and their blind mum and dead ancestors knowing that the situation is indeed completely fecked. In that case, everyone proclaiming Ineos as bad as or worse than the Glazers is right.
The new management has had a pretty good summer and have had good careers at other clubs and contexts, so assuming their complete incompetence in this matter now seems unreasonable. Consequently, the other two options are more likely - in which case a large portion of the posts in the United forum from the past few days are ridiculous.
Take your pick.
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3 Trophies heh.
Data is also just information. You seem to be thinking in football terms, and I don't suppose anyone thinks there's a way to look at United's matches that makes them look good after all. (No, not @moses either. He's said many times that United are playing terribly.) But there can be all kinds of business reasons why a firing doesn't make sense right now - and we, the general public, likely don't have all the data (information, arguments) that underlie those reasons.
Please spare a thought for Redlambs' mental health.
Haha, pure cinema! This is what OT is all about.
But there's a twist. Eth rips his face off again and he reveals the real person managing united all along. Frank de boer
The absolute worst case scenario would be that he does just enough to somehow stay on beyond this season.
Anyway, hopefully, none of these scenarios eventuate and he is gone soon.
Simeone anyone ? He's probably due for a change after such a long stint at A. Madrid.
"A clear head" "MAYBE CONSIDER sacking him if he gets us into a relegation fight".
Im sorry but by "us" you mean Everton right? I swear standards are getting lower and lower under baldy and some supporters are ok with it.
I never claimed information made anyone infallible, in fact I explicitly said it didn't in this thread, only that it in this situation (the are Ineos rubbish) , not having it creates a grey area.
I agree the previous regime were shite, and mostly because we have a wide spread of information to show us. I think it's harsh to condemn INEOS on one decision, considering they've been here a short while and been so positive and proactive in bringing about what they see as positive change.
I've never said anything but that. People are at fever pitch and going mad over very mild statements.
Fergie's brain in a vat, like Morbius, until mid-March when Ruud will take over.
Then Gristlin' Jim decides who we wants: Jenrick or Bad enoch.
I'd take a spider with four arses and a whole host of other cultural references over Bald is Burst and his myriad excuses.
Also, rescind the membership of the fanbase. How dare we celebrate winning the cup? Holier than thou attitude is holding us back.
Then Gristlin' Jim decides who we wants: Jenrick or Bad enoch.
I'd take a spider with four arses and a whole host of other cultural references over Bald is Burst and his myriad excuses.
Also, rescind the membership of the fanbase. How dare we celebrate winning the cup? Holier than thou attitude is holding us back.
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