Yep. If he is still here next season we're in for an amazing turn around.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Yep. If he is still here next season we're in for an amazing turn around.
Hope this is the end of United fans thinking every manager needs time and we need to stick by them.
It will be Potter until the end of this year
It still needs to be hammered home - and the best way to do it is, to see out the season and then make the fans pay for the ramifications in ticket prices.
It's a lesson that needs to be learned the hardest way.
He is on a holiday since last season given how nothing about our play ever changes
That would definitely earn him another season. Can’t dismiss a serial winner.
SJR will never make back the money he has spent, he is 71 years old ffs.
which better candidates are available in the summer then?
- Nagelsmann: wants WC with Germany, so not available this summer
- Ancelotti: said multiple times Madrid is his last club
- Alonso: probably waiting for Madrid and probably doesn’t want to come to us because of his Liverpool connection
- Zidane: said he doesn’t want to come to England and is waiting for France job
- De Zerbi: just signed for a big project at a new club where he seems really supported in what he wants. If United wanted him they could have got him last summer but decided not to do it.
All the others are the same risks in the summer as now:
- McKenna: not a lot of experience at a big club, can he do the same as at Ipswich?
- Amorim: doing a great job but in not a very strong competition. He hasn’t done better in Europe than Ten Hag at Ajax. Can he do the same at a big club in a big competition? Could the result be the same as Ten Hag?
- Tuchel: always a risk. Did some great things at big clubs but also bad things. Could go either way but is very experienced and would get respect from the players.
- Frank: did great things at Brentford. But can he do the same at a bigger club.
- Hoeness: did great last season but inexperienced. Can he do the same multiple seasons? Can he do the same at United?
- Allegri or Simeone: are they a gamble outside of Italy? Can they do the same in the Premier League?
- Emery: doing really great at clubs just below the absolute top it seems. Failed at Arsenal, but also in a difficult situation.
- Ole: pfffff, oke
What does waiting for the summer change? Except for the millions they have to pay Ten Hag.
Unlike last season, it looks like ETH is in the process of losing the players. Constantly absolving himself and palming pressure onto those who were still following terrible instruction looks like it’s taken its toll. As @Robbie Boy made the point of: if the manager stays on, we’re going to be in a perpetual state of survival with him making decisions that are not conducive to constructive development of the squad; basically limping from one game to another with players who he most trusts. That’s a terrible state of affairs and it’s guaranteed to kick the can down the road with an undeveloped squad in tow. It’s not sustainable and we’re very familiar with ETH’s penchant for running favourites into the ground and then being at a loss when they burnout.
Rolling the dice with that against an interim carries consequences of its own. A squad in disarray where fractures will start to widen because of sunken morale. The situation is more precarious than just this season, not to mention the vital development aspects that get lost in times of crisis.
We’re supposed to have “real football men” in charge now. None of the above should be foreign to them, which makes things all the more strange; football clubs rid themselves of coaches to avoid the rot, not just for optics - you cut out the problem before it spreads, otherwise you’re every bit to blame for the fallout.
What has Southgate got to do with anything? This is the same flawed fecking logic that got us in this mess.
Apologies for the confusion, but no it was just in regards to ETH staying.
It's not impossible of course, but for me he's not improved things, it all seems stagnant after nearly 3 years.
If a new manager came in, I'd be more optimistic. I would take Harry Redknapp at this point!
"We have no idea what's going on."
Headline: Monthly meeting between executives takes place as planned.
It's ok blaming the fans for putting pressure on them but football fans are fickle and emotional. Ineos should be making decisions with no emotion at all. They should have a plan that they stick to and stand by it. Not flip flop because fans are whinging. If that is indeed what has happened.
Harsh reminder that just because people have risen to the top of organisations, or have become very rich, it is in no way a guarantee they have any idea what they're doing or are immune from making disastrous decisions. You can see it in the corporate world week in week out. Unfortunately we seem to attract this kind of idiocy, from SAF handing the manager job to David Moyes on a six year deal to Woodward saying performances on the pitch have no bearing on the club's success, to the Glazers letting the stadium and training facilities rot and having no director of football for a decade.
Now the supposed saviours INEOS have come in and made bad decision after bad decision - primarily by immediately sacking half the club's workforce and removing any job perks (imagine the mood around the place after that) then not only undermining ETH by openly interviewing other candidates but then keeping him and handing him yet another £200million to spend on dross (totally negating any savings made by firing everyone).
And now they are going to have to fire him at a cost of £17million. Plus find a way of getting rid of all the terrible players he signed, at a huge financial loss. Plus they'll have to financially back a new manager. But that's still better than if they don't fire him, because we will not get in the Champions League (missing out on that costs £50million). And as Fortitude said, every week he is at the club does more and more damage to the brand and the chances of any top players/managers wanting to be involved with it.
ETH has to go, and go now. Managers do not come back from these situations. And also he is abysmal and deluded. Far from us winning the league in 2028 (another stupid quote to come out with from INEOS) it is going to take at least that long to undo the damage done in terms of how poor the first team squad is.
Now the supposed saviours INEOS have come in and made bad decision after bad decision - primarily by immediately sacking half the club's workforce and removing any job perks (imagine the mood around the place after that) then not only undermining ETH by openly interviewing other candidates but then keeping him and handing him yet another £200million to spend on dross (totally negating any savings made by firing everyone).
And now they are going to have to fire him at a cost of £17million. Plus find a way of getting rid of all the terrible players he signed, at a huge financial loss. Plus they'll have to financially back a new manager. But that's still better than if they don't fire him, because we will not get in the Champions League (missing out on that costs £50million). And as Fortitude said, every week he is at the club does more and more damage to the brand and the chances of any top players/managers wanting to be involved with it.
ETH has to go, and go now. Managers do not come back from these situations. And also he is abysmal and deluded. Far from us winning the league in 2028 (another stupid quote to come out with from INEOS) it is going to take at least that long to undo the damage done in terms of how poor the first team squad is.
Yep, that is a good point. The corporate world is full of incompetent high ranking employees holding management positions that get a pass always because they know the right people/are buddies with the top brass.
I think it had a bearing on things for sure. Given the want of the fans, they probably saw it as a cheap and easy win to let them get their feet under the table, instead of having to get straight into something so onerous at an early stage. But it is definitely on the fans too. Have we not learnt over the last 10 years that, if we don't uphold the values and standards of the club, then nobody will? Did we learn nothing with the whole Ole dabacle? They absolutely do listen to the fans, every club does. Hopefully they listen this one last time, but given what happened just a few months ago, they probably won't. They probably expect the same fans to flip flop again if we get a win or two this month, and they're 100% right.
What really pisses me off is the narrative that last season was because of injuries, yes injuries played a part but the main reason is because of the way ETH set us up last season. While the back four at times last season was very thin, common sense should suggest that you change tactically to protect the back four and make it harder to break down.
Instead what ETH did was make the midfield so open it was basically open season for opposition attackers on our back four. Resulting in defensive statistics that had us on par with the worst sides in the league, even breaking some records regarding shots faced. Yes the injuries were bad and maybe out of his control, but the way he set up despite that was HIS decision, even when we were a laughing stock it was HIS decision to change absolutely nothing. He's made a rod off his own back because of HIS own decisions last season not because of the injuries and I'm sick and tired of hearing otherwise.
A good comparison would be the Spurs match against Chelsea last season where Spurs went down to 9 men. Now at that point Spurs were still in the match either winning or drawing (can't remember which), but Ange changed nothing, persisted with the stupidly high line and in the end Chelsea won 4-1. Now while Chelsea may have probably gone on to win the match anyway, a big factor in the final scoreline was because Spurs made it so easy for Chelsea in that second half to cut through them. There's a difference between having a philosophy and accepting you need to make changes to adapt to certain situations. But ultimately what Ange did in that game and ETH for the whole of last season was naïve if you're being kind and stupid if you're not. The difference between us and Spurs though is ETH has spent way more than Ange but Ange's Spurs side at times plays football we can only dream of under ETH.
So you're saying.. There's a chance?
Good post.
The fact that they’ve not publicly come out and said his jobs safe tells us that they are indeed planning on a change. Hearing all the outside noise would instantly make them shut it down if they came out and publicly backed him but they haven’t. Which says they could indeed make a change. But the sooner the better. By next week everyone’s back in training. Maybe the end of this week could be when they hold a meeting with ETH face to face when he’s back of holiday.
This new contract offer refusal should've been the end of the twat too never mind the rest of the shit.
If you as a club offer a new contract that takes away his veto etc because you believe he's bought a load of shit in the rest of his tenure why the feck would you do a complete u-turn and spend another 200 million or whatever it was for him after he refused it. You'd surely just say "You need to sign this or there's the door."
They're cretins
I agree, 100%. But most wouldn't listen to this at the time. They blamed injures and our ability to only put out a £500m team instead of an £800m team, as reasons for struggling against the likes of Palace, Brentford, Forest, Fulham, Burnley, Bournemouth, all the average teams in the CL group, Coventry etc. There were just some very obvious red flags with it all, but our supporters chose to ignore it. They ignored the 8th place finish because of a cup win, as though we are some mid table team.
Like others have said though, there's a big chance they say nothing at all. There's a chance that the subject of sacking him was barely discussed, and we're all waiting for nothing.
Theres no statement going to come out backing the manager if they have decided to keep him, as it will be seen as business as usual and following their process. No reason to back the manager publically again when they only did that recently.
No noise in this case isnt a good thing.
No noise in this case isnt a good thing.
I like this but Luckhurst is clearly wanting him to go so he will be biased in that regard.
We’re not owed a public announcement if he’s staying. The one in the summer was different, it had been made clear his future was being debated and discussed. We’ll only hear something if he’s gone I think.
They’d brief he’s staying though. They don’t have to release a statement. Every journalist in football will be checking with the club asking if ETH will still be in charge for Brentford and currently they’re saying diddly squat.
Everybody said in the summer that they don't have to say anything if they keep him, which is obviously true. But I think there will be a 'brief' eventually to that effect. It's the first thing a journo will ask when they manage to speak to anybody involved.
Yeah every journo in football wants to break this story. Twice as much with it being an international break and there is not much going on. Sort of explains why they are coming out with shite constantly to fill the news.
By announcing he is staying they would be acknowledging there is a problem. Which there isn't of course, all is well. Tickety boo old pip.
Of course. If they say that he is staying they are just sending a message that he is close to sack. And if poor results continue and they sack him in a month then that will make them look incompetent.
Maybe they are in talks with new manager and they don't want to sack Erik before they have a deal with next manager.
But, my guess is that he is staying. They decided to give him last chance.
This is like that board meeting in Chernobyl (the HBO series) where they decide to keep information about the disaster contained.
Do a performance review.
Based on the transfers we brought in, we are targeting success long term by building a squad with young world class potential.
A measured approach is the right one.
Yep, it was there because of the America's Cup. INEOS are backing the British team.
Writing a season off is an absolute no-no. We have plenty of good young players, and someone like Tuchel could turn things around quickly. We’ll be cutting it for CL, but we could still get there. Tuchel would have us deep in the Europa league. ETH is not turning this around. He should have been gone after the Liverpool game.
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