You aren't nearly as informed or qualified as they are to make that conclusion to be fair.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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The signing and constant playing of Wout Weghorst was the first horrific sign. Barely played a good game since February 2023.
Give it to @horsechoker until the end of the season. Training sessions would be amazing.
"You want us to do what with it's neck?!"
But its important for owners to find the root cause of the problems. It's easy for us to say it's always going to be the manager. We might be right in many of these scenarios, but if you have well respected people with a lot more information to hand choosing for a different view, maybe they are evaluating the root cause to be elsewhere.
Yes but you can say the same thing about most fans compared to Woodward, Murtough & Arnold. Were they not informed and qualified? This argument doesn't make sense unfortunately.
Yeah we’ve never had such a prolonged period of shit. Near enough every game since March 2023 has been awful. Thousands of minutes of shit on a stick.
We played three finals (if you count the Shield) against Cheaty and were better in all of them.
What do we think will make the fans at OT properly turn?
They've been loyal, almost too loyal, so far but is there going to be a result that truly lights the touch paper?
They've been loyal, almost too loyal, so far but is there going to be a result that truly lights the touch paper?
No you can't. Murtough, Woodward and Arnold are not remotely as qualified as Wilcox, Ashworth and Berada. These guys have big pedigree and a strong CV in their respective roles and are well respected in the industry.
When players look like they aren't making any effort and have hands on hips, the match going fans start to turn quite quickly.
Sounds a dig at INEOS more than anything else - unless we are assuming Ten Hag hand picked all the signings this window
Yes but my point is that most fans aren't as informed or qualified as the people I mentioned were and yet anyone could tell they were terrible. So far, INEOS haven't really shown us enough for our unconditional trust. On the contrary, there have been more worrying signs than positive.
Which is truly bizarre, considering how consistently pathetic we are on the pitch. Maybe it's like the performance raising Liverpool did against SAF's United.
I see what you mean, but it's one thing pointing to incompetence when the CEO can't even point to the Stretford End and its another when the decision makers are actually qualified in their roles.
Of course he did. Former players or dutch were signed this year. Again.
I still think he'll be sacked this week. I'm guessing they want to have their new man in place first and announce the new guy at the same time
Who is easier to bash and play hindsight with now than ETH? It's a free for all for any former player / pundit across the globe! It's all just noise to me now. He will be gone soon.
I don't think you've put much thought into your analysis there.
Marco forget about City, Madrid etc.
That isn't who we're struggling to keep pace with right now. I mean we are but let's catch up to Villa and Spurs first.
Ten Hag staying was announced by Ornstein at 10:10PM.
Just saying…
Just saying…
Is the point incorrect?
Watch this space when we are sitting there next Summer, all happy with 9th place finish that Erik has led us to on top of getting to League Cup final and only narrowly losing to Liverpool, reviewing Brobbey, Neres and Tagliafico signings.
Where would that be? Do other big clubs evaluate everything else but the manger in charge of how the team go about approaching games of football before, and during games, or is there another elephant in the room they choose to evaluate instead. I personally can't see it, maybe we're just a unique club who does things differently...
Could simply be that INEOS are aware they haven’t brought him the right players and coaches and will need to have another two windows to address that. In the meantime we should not judge him. I think we will need to spend another £500m on players and replace coaches as well before we give that performance evaluation thing another go.
I think it's been leaked in part to Melissa Reddy as psychological problems being a factor.
Yes, it's weird to criticise Ten Hag for transfers this window unless he's spearheaded the recruitment.
Nothing tbh.
Tommy Tuchel is the answer you're welcome
I'm all for giving people time, especially new owners who need to evaluate things. But when you buy a business, walk through the front door, and see the manager shitting into his hands and smearing it on the meeting room flipcharts every hour, on the hour... Well, you shouldn't just shrug your shoulders six months later if he's still doing it.
And he can talk it up as much as he wants, tell you it's a process. That's great but I really don't want any process that involves shit, thanks.
And he can talk it up as much as he wants, tell you it's a process. That's great but I really don't want any process that involves shit, thanks.
Bizarre , inexplicable, frustrating, bonkers.
You're not wrong. I've hope for Ruud McNistelrooy though, Scots are much better.
They need to blrlrlrlrlr him.
Athletic wrote that he was a leading voice in recruitment again this summer
We weren't the better team in 2023. We had a few decent chances at the death. We were lucky to even get back into the game. A generous penalty was awarded to us.
We played well in the final in May. Rode our luck at times, but generally defended well. Clinical as well.
The Community Shield is a glorified friendly. Pep treats it as a fitness exercise. They had the likes of O'Reilly, McAtee and Bobb starting. They lost their previous 3 CS's in a row.
Most tier one sources have had a deep dive I'm sure. None suggest he's spearheaded it, feel free to share your article and we can consider the other bits too.
But Yorro and Ugarte don't sound like Ten Hag pursuits and De Ligt was name dropped as an INEOS Suggestion (ironically). Zirkzee fits that Ashworth mould of young talent with high potential at decent value.
EDIT - pulled one article and it certainly wasn't Ten Hag spearheading it. For example Ugarte:
Ugarte was always at the top of United’s list of targets and had admirers in the club’s newly-formed recruitment structure, particularly technical director Jason Wilcox. Support for the signing was not initially unanimous, however. Ten Hag was cooler on Ugarte, partly because his arrival was always likely to necessitate the sale of Scott McTominay.
Surely the links he has with previous players have always suggested this was the case?
Maybe Yoro was a board decision but not many of them I would guess.
Yoro and Ugarte are two INEOS signings. I think I remember it was Berrada who was heavily involved in the Yoro deal.
The rest are up for debate. I think it's pretty obvious that Mazraoui and de Ligt are players ten Hag was happy to sign.
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