Drainy
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That was only a 45 mins disasterclass.
Brentford was a 93 minute battering. We looked like a Carabao Cup team in the first round.
Exactly!
That was only a 45 mins disasterclass.
Brentford was a 93 minute battering. We looked like a Carabao Cup team in the first round.
League Cup is a classic 'springboard' trophy. It's not on the same level as the other trophies but when you are building a squad it is a good one to get your mojo pumping
Eh ?It was a terrible result and the second half display was depressing, but let's be honest it was a completely freak game where we could have run away with it first half and then everything went in for them in the second
There have been worse overall performances
It was a terrible result and the second half display was depressing, but let's be honest it was a completely freak game where we could have run away with it first half and then everything went in for them in the second
There have been worse overall performances
Ironically that wasn‘t the worst performance.Have we all collectively scrubbed our brains of getting beat 7-0 by Liverpool?
He is talking about performance, that 7:0 game we were on par with them in first half and fell apart in second. Far from worst performance. Result doesn't reflect the game at all. One of the freakiest results I have ever seen.Have we all collectively scrubbed our brains of getting beat 7-0 by Liverpool?
Yeah, the 0-7 wasn't a true reflection of the match.
Then again, it wasn't an absolute freak result either. It told its story, you could say.
But anyway, with regard to tomorrow: the idea that he has to win in order to keep his job is obviously ridiculous. You don't judge a United manager on how "he" (i.e. the team he selects) performs against Liverpool.
Whether ETH deserves to keep his job will become clear in the coming weeks, it will not become clear tomorrow (almost regardless of what happens).
To be clear, if it were up to me personally, he would've been gone already. But that didn't happen, and now I very much hope that he'll prove me dead wrong.
(And I wouldn't mind it if he started to change my mind by totally humiliating Liverpool tomorrow - but, again, that single match doesn't mean all that much in the grand scheme of things.)
He blamed last season on injuries. How annoying indeed?!?.
So you think we should not be a team in transition? What are we then?
Challenging for PL and CL we are not, therefore we are in transition to get there where we belong. Challenging for everything.
For sure it has. It was evident in the last 4 games that the team performances have improved. We beat City in a high stakes game under all the media scrutiny. Unlucky in Community shield. Beat Fulham and things just didn't go our away against Brighton. Apart from the results, they have actually played better and playing a lot more together as a unit. It's not perfect, but it is improvement.
An improvement of 8-12 points is a fair assessment.
I think you have to consider the circumstances. I'm sure Fergie was your first memory of a United manager, like most of us. Fergie, was simply a different breed. He had control of all aspects of the club, even when Malcolm Glazer took control. The problems United have, it wasn't a major concern with Fergie (in fans eyes) because United were successful on the pitch.
No United fan should be happy finishing outside of competing for the title. Whether than be finishing 2nd or 3rd if they don't win it. The fact of the matter is, United have fallen so far behind. United were, and I'm sure soon again, the benchmark of English football. They should be the standard - the team and club you aspire to be as good as.
We simply aren't that, right now. Finishing 8th is not good, 100% agree with that. The problem is, it was a long time coming. I'm happy to accept last season as a complete wake up call, it showed the reality of the level United are at. I'm also happy with this season, after clearing out 9 players and replacing them with 5 decent signings, to just do better than last season. The reason being, expectations have to be realistic.
If we finish worse than last season then yes, a serious decision should be made. I think CL qualification is a must and another trophy (any of the cups of EL) would be an improved season.
We could have abandoned the high press to accommodate our back line. Ten Hag said he didn‘t want to change his strategy for the season because it would set back the progress.
You could argue the backline wasn‘t brave enough to step up.
Just a thought...He is talking about performance, that 7:0 game we were on par with them in first half and fell apart in second. Far from worst performance. Result doesn't reflect the game at all. One of the freakiest results I have ever seen.
Of course not. I previously mentioned 8 - 12 points better which would have brought us into 3rd/4th. Expectations is to get back into CL positions, not winning the league.So if we finish 6th ot 7th we're satisfied?
That’s a very good question. The last example of something like that would probably be our 8-2 win over Arsenal thirteen years ago. We beat Chelsea 4-0 five years ago, which is a bigger margin than losing 6-3.Just a thought...
Why can't we have such a freak result against Liverpool or City? Why?
Why is it, it only happens to us, 7-0 or 6-3 and not the other way around?
But we've also been beatenThat’s a very good question. The last example of something like that would probably be our 8-2 win over Arsenal thirteen years ago. We beat Chelsea 4-0 five years ago, which is a bigger margin than losing 6-3.
He is talking about performance, that 7:0 game we were on par with them in first half and fell apart in second. Far from worst performance. Result doesn't reflect the game at all. One of the freakiest results I have ever seen.
I know. We were also beaten 4-0 by League One MK Dons in 2014. We’ve had way too many embarrassing results over this dark decade.But we've also been beaten
Crystal Palace 4-0 Man Utd - May 2024
Brentford 4-0 Man Utd - August 2023
So the question persist, why is it easier for us to be beaten by 4 goals or more, yet we don't beat other teams by 4 or more goals...
Can't be always about freak result
Ole’s United put 9 past Southampton.That’s a very good question. The last example of something like that would probably be our 8-2 win over Arsenal thirteen years ago. We beat Chelsea 4-0 five years ago, which is a bigger margin than losing 6-3.
It has to be ETH. If we're consistent, it'd be unfair to expect the next manager to make us title contenders or make the later stages of the CL with ETH's players. We'll have to give the new guy a minimum of 3 more years and a lot of money before the team is really his.
There can be 3 results tomorrow, win, lose or draw. What matters is how we play more than the result.If we lose tomorrow, do you think this thread will be calm and considered, as it’s only the 3rd game?
If we lose tomorrow, do you think this thread will be calm and considered, as it’s only the 3rd game?
Its not Ten Hag's third game is it? It's Ten Hag's 118th game not counting pre-season games. He needs to win tomorrow. It's that simple. Don't care what the club structure is or isn't. A good coach is a good coach no matter the circumstances. Can't keep making excuses.If we lose tomorrow, do you think this thread will be calm and considered, as it’s only the 3rd game?
Its not Ten Hag's third game is it? It's Ten Hag's 118th game not counting pre-season games. He needs to win tomorrow. It's that simple. Don't care what the club structure is or isn't. A good coach is a good coach no matter the circumstances. Can't keep making excuses.
Of course not. I previously mentioned 8 - 12 points better which would have brought us into 3rd/4th. Expectations is to get back into CL positions, not winning the league.
Yeah that had a tight first half and that they won 1 - 0.
The Brentford game had a tight second half that they won 1 - 0.
Brentford game we had nearly 70% of the ball, more shots, more shots on target. Doubt you could say that against the Liverpool game.
I think people are talking about the Brentford match last season, which we drew 1-1. Despite that, it was definitely one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen from a United team. Shredded through time and time again as they set their record total of shots - was it 32 in the end? Midfield non-existent, no sign of any coached patterns of play or structure. It was probably not quite as bad as the Palace match a couple of weeks later but I can see why people are listing it as one of the worst performances under ETH.
My post history on ETH would show I don't make excuses for him.Forget these guys. Absolute idiotic excuses used again and again.
way too early to judge, the manager needs time to set up the team.If we lose tomorrow, do you think this thread will be calm and considered, as it’s only the 3rd game?
If we lose tomorrow, do you think this thread will be calm and considered, as it’s only the 3rd game?
My post history on ETH would show I don't make excuses for him.
It was tongue in cheek. I think this thread will explode tomorrow if we lose. As was always the risk with keeping him and not starting the season well.
Should he lose again tomorrow, he would of lost two in a row to managers new to the PL. With much less time to set their teams up than him, and far less money spent.way too early to judge, the manager needs time to set up the team.
Spouting nonsense that we've been the best performing team after City since his tenure, no team has won more trophies. Style of football is subjective, trophies is what's important.
This doesn't follow his ambition he came here with, he wanted to get United to play attractive, attacking football.
He's in his Ole-stage, speaking all sort of nonsense to protect himself. An United manager shouldn't speak in this way, should be sacked very soon.
Spouting nonsense that we've been the best performing team after City since his tenure, no team has won more trophies. Style of football is subjective, trophies is what's important.
This doesn't follow his ambition he came here with, he wanted to get United to play attractive, attacking football.
He's in his Ole-stage, speaking all sort of nonsense to protect himself. An United manager shouldn't speak in this way, should be sacked very soon.
Spouting nonsense that we've been the best performing team after City since his tenure, no team has won more trophies. Style of football is subjective, trophies is what's important.
This doesn't follow his ambition he came here with, he wanted to get United to play attractive, attacking football.
He's in his Ole-stage, speaking all sort of nonsense to protect himself. An United manager shouldn't speak in this way, should be sacked very soon.