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Me of courseI didn’t see the game but I’m confused: a few posts above yours, someone is criticizing his unwillingness to play for a draw, yet you’re claiming the opposite. Which is it?
Me of courseI didn’t see the game but I’m confused: a few posts above yours, someone is criticizing his unwillingness to play for a draw, yet you’re claiming the opposite. Which is it?
This has been a really depressing weekend to be a United fan. City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal all cruise to easy wins. Meanwhile we shit the bed a concede a last minute goal to Brighton.
If we don't beat Liverpool on Sunday, INEOS need to get out their manager short list and start reviewing options. We can't afford to spend another season drifting along and giving Ten Hag time in the vain hope that it might magically improve. Sunday is do or die for me.
If you're referring to Slot, Ten Hag didn't beat him regularly, their record is equal, two wins each.So depressing watching a manager he beat regularly more competent in a league he’s only just joined while Erik has been here 3 years. Not good.
Irrelevant to my post.
Irrelevant to my post.
Our next 10 league games are pretty brutal. Southampton and Brentford are the only straightforward fixtures you would think. 2 wins out of our next 10 is a real possibility, and he won't come back from that.Just waiting patiently for the inevitable
He basically found that Ole's squad wasn't built on technical quality with the ball. Logic would have told him that this was one of the major reasons Ole failed here, and so should try take us down a different path. Instead of aiming to improve us so we're able to keep possession of a football, he basically abandoned it in favour of playing hot potato football, handing out contracts left and right to turnover machines who love nothing more than giving the ball away.It's interesting cos I actually watched an Ajax home match while he was Manager in 2019. They absolutely dominated the ball... but Ajax are the big fish in a small pond (or at least they were at the time). Beyond the level of opposition, the technical level was very high. de Ligt and Blind were playing CB and literally every member of the team were comfortable on the ball. It seems he quickly figured out that he wouldn’t be able to recreate that at United, so now is implementing tactics he doesn't really believe in and can't thus cant communicate to his players well.
He basically found that Ole's squad wasn't built on technical quality with the ball. Logic would have told him that this was one of the major reasons Ole failed here, and so should try take us down a different path. Instead of aiming to improve us so we're able to keep possession of a football, he basically abandoned it in favour of playing hot potato football, handing out contracts left and right to turnover machines who love nothing more than giving the ball away.
And many fans on here lapped it up because "the United way" or something.
I was Ole out, but I’d take his football 10/10 over this shit. ETH is not the man to take us forward.Ole's team would have passed the ball around our current team at will and probably scored a hat full.
I was Ole out, but I’d take his football 10/10 over this shit. ETH is not the man to take us forward.
It's interesting cos I actually watched an Ajax home match while he was Manager in 2019. They absolutely dominated the ball... but Ajax are the big fish in a small pond (or at least they were at the time). Beyond the level of opposition, the technical level was very high. de Ligt and Blind were playing CB and literally every member of the team were comfortable on the ball. It seems he quickly figured out that he wouldn’t be able to recreate that at United, so now is implementing tactics he doesn't really believe in and can't thus cant communicate to his players well.
Some serious rose-tinted copium going on with these Ole posts.I was Ole out for the right person. He had gotten us 3rd, 2nd, a Europa League final and also had us scoring a good amount of goals. I also have very little doubt that if we kept him when he went we would have dropped our backline a bit deeper again and got top 4.
I had realised he was not the man to challenge Pep and Klopp but even at the time I felt getting rid of him only to get the wrong person would just set us back further.
(Anyone who loves Ten Hag I couldn't care less about your predictable message of "Pfft we won the FA Cup") But Ole made FAR better Man Utd teams with less investment.
Got me excited to watch us on the weekend with Rashford, Pogba, Martial, De Gea, Maguire, Lindelof, Wan Bissaka, Fred, McTominay. And with all that got us above Liverpool, Arsenal ect.
Not sure how this is an improvement personally.
Some serious rose-tinted copium going on with these Ole posts.
His football was terrible. Could not negotiate a low-block and had the fallow McFred on speed-dial. Best signing was Cavani. Improved nobody.
Never ought been our full-time manager. Never. Man’s a bona fide United icon. Still never.
If Garnacho's shot was just a bit higher and Amad takes a touch instead of trying to hit it on the volley would you still have posted this?
Pretty much perfectly sums up the last 6 years.He basically found that Ole's squad wasn't built on technical quality with the ball. Logic would have told him that this was one of the major reasons Ole failed here, and so should try take us down a different path. Instead of aiming to improve us so we're able to keep possession of a football, he basically abandoned it in favour of playing hot potato football, handing out contracts left and right to turnover machines who love nothing more than giving the ball away.
And many fans on here lapped it up because "the United way" or something.
The football was better than the majority played under Ten Hag.
Your last paragraph makes no sense.
He signed Bruno didn't he? Although Cavani is probably our best striker signing post FergieSome serious rose-tinted copium going on with these Ole posts.
His football was terrible. Could not negotiate a low-block and had the fallow McFred on speed-dial. Best signing was Cavani. Improved nobody.
Never ought been our full-time manager. Never. Man’s a bona fide United icon. Still never.
The difference between hoijlund and success is a manager that wants to play football, our wingers are constantly passing backwards not taking on the defenders and getting the ball into the box, take amad yesterday the 1 time he drove at the defence he got a goal, every other time he passed backwards that’s the system, Antony simply doesn’t have the pace and physical attributes to be a winger in this league.The only thing I feel close to your level is the irony that Antony is a complete failure at £80M and 24yrs of age, yet Hojlund (according to some) is destined for success and the next best thing at £75M and 21 years of age.
I've seen neither from either to warrant their price tags.
The best compliment I pay to EtH is he has made us a resolute, formidable cup side. Solskjaer failed in every competition he managed.
The opposition knew how to play him and most matches under him were excruciatingly predictable. EtH is better. not by any great distance, but much more practical.
Also, the last paragraph makes perfect sense.
Solskjaer should never have been our full-time manager, despite his deserved legend status at the club from his playing days.
I’m totally with you mate.I was Ole out for the right person. He had gotten us 3rd, 2nd, a Europa League final and also had us scoring a good amount of goals. I also have very little doubt that if we kept him when he went we would have dropped our backline a bit deeper again and got top 4.
I had realised he was not the man to challenge Pep and Klopp but even at the time I felt getting rid of him only to get the wrong person would just set us back further.
(Anyone who loves Ten Hag I couldn't care less about your predictable message of "Pfft we won the FA Cup") But Ole made FAR better Man Utd teams with less investment.
Got me excited to watch us on the weekend with Rashford, Pogba, Martial, De Gea, Maguire, Lindelof, Wan Bissaka, Fred, McTominay. And with all that got us above Liverpool, Arsenal ect.
Not sure how this is an improvement personally.
I’m totally with you mate.
He really didn't. The mood might have been a little different, his off-hands-approach provided a few moments of brilliance but it wasn't going anywhere. Granted, I would have hoped, that with ETH, the changes would be more significant and fast. Maybe he isn't it. Doesn't mean Ole was somehow less of a mis-appointment. His time at the club was a waste of time.I was Ole out for the right person. He had gotten us 3rd, 2nd, a Europa League final and also had us scoring a good amount of goals. I also have very little doubt that if we kept him when he went we would have dropped our backline a bit deeper again and got top 4.
I had realised he was not the man to challenge Pep and Klopp but even at the time I felt getting rid of him only to get the wrong person would just set us back further.
(Anyone who loves Ten Hag I couldn't care less about your predictable message of "Pfft we won the FA Cup") But Ole made FAR better Man Utd teams with less investment.
Got me excited to watch us on the weekend with Rashford, Pogba, Martial, De Gea, Maguire, Lindelof, Wan Bissaka, Fred, McTominay. And with all that got us above Liverpool, Arsenal ect.
Not sure how this is an improvement personally.
Results don't necessarily mean good football. I find it suprising that this lesson hasn't been learned until now. Oles "good results" made sure we haven't made any deeper rooted changes. ETHs first season with the good results was also hyped up when it was mostly Ole ball continued with a better playing out from the back. Last season we at least started to apply some semirecent methods. You can look my posts up, I am the least of an ETH fan but there was always going to be some pain, years of bad decisions aren't rectified with simple spending. Especially if there wasn't even a real plan behind it.Nah one made us a good football team the other hasn't. It's incredibly simply. Not even considering one having far more support.
Where was that resolution in the Europa League or this year's league cup or when we decided to throw it away against Championship side?
He really didn't. The mood might have been a little different, his off-hands-approach provided a few moments of brilliance but it wasn't going anywhere. Granted, I would have hoped, that with ETH, the changes would be more significant and fast. Maybe he isn't it. Doesn't mean Ole was somehow less of a mis-appointment. His time at the club was a waste of time.
Results don't necessarily mean good football. I find it suprising that this lesson hasn't been learned until now. Oles "good results" made sure we haven't made any deeper rooted changes. ETHs first season with the good results was also hyped up when it was mostly Ole ball continued with a better playing out from the back. Last season we at least started to apply some semirecent methods. You can look my posts up, I am the least of an ETH fan but there was always going to be some pain, years of bad decisions aren't rectified with simple spending. Especially if there wasn't even a real plan behind it.
No doubt, scoring goals for fun occasionally against bad teams and playing the underdogs reasonably well against good teams. At least made for watchable football most weeks, if not a project that was ever going anywhere.
It really is nuts. All this spending to have a team that scored 57 goals in the league last season and isn’t looking much better in attack this either either. Maybe we’ll score 65 - yaay.700 mil spent in 3 years and ETH is still finding his feet. Maybe if we give him a couple of more his Ajax players he will probably learn that you can't isolate your strikers of wingers like that. I think another billion would do that trick.
United are pressing better, though. I know it was ''by the skin f our teeth'', beating Fulham. The football is far from perfect, but it's been far from perfect since Fergie left. There hasn't been one amazing United team since he left. We are so far behind of the 'best' teams. Its shocking that I actually just posted ''we had 4 games in a row where we weren't bad''. We have to accept we fell so far behind that 4 ''not horrible'' performances is an improvement.I think this a bit of a rose tinted view, as has been said we were ripped open too often by Brighton, we beat Fulham by the skin of our teeth, it's last season all over again, anyone who can't see that needs to gie their head a wobble.
I'm not convinced that he will change the tactics (or lack of them) when these new signings are bedded in.
His stubborness in not dropping underperformers, or those that are hit and miss amazes me and others, his subs are beyong explanation, even for seasoned managers and professionals, £700m spent, and the prospects are more of the same.
A man who engineered zero goal difference for the first time in decades, is not only given a transfer kitty, has backing of the board and many CAF people will question the legitimacy of your support if you question ETH. Tbf, i don't question his coaching, i am denying its existence. This legendary man who worked with Antony in ajax for years one day decided "wow this one footed man will revamp old trafford as such, i must have that foot here even it will cost 80 millions"It really is nuts. All this spending to have a team that scored 57 goals in the league last season and isn’t looking much better in attack this either either. Maybe we’ll score 65 - yaay.
I really don’t know what coaching ETH has been doing for over two years. Our pressing - definitely, we’ve started this campaign pressing extremely well so I’ll give him that - but on the ball we look so mediocre and a team shouldn’t look so listless in attack in a managers third season.
How much of this pressing improvement is down to starting a 4 man midfield and the intensity of Mount and how much is it to us becoming a better pressing team?It really is nuts. All this spending to have a team that scored 57 goals in the league last season and isn’t looking much better in attack this either either. Maybe we’ll score 65 - yaay.
I really don’t know what coaching ETH has been doing for over two years. Our pressing - definitely, we’ve started this campaign pressing extremely well so I’ll give him that - but on the ball we look so mediocre and a team shouldn’t look so listless in attack in a managers third season.
Brilliant post. 117 games managed.1) That you think our problem vs Brighton was tactical
Welbeck's goal came from an unopposed cross from the right half space. Your midfield offered zero resistance. Then Mitoma played a cutback from within your penaly area. I've seen United concede that goal countless times over the last two seasons. If something happens that often, you have a tactical issue.
A 38 year old James Milner was able to waltz into your box and beat your keeper with a shot that had to be saved off of the line. He didn't blow away your defenders with pace. He didn't dazzle them with skill. He didn't bully them with strength. He just identified the yawning gaps in your backline that are a result of a poor tactical set up.
Welbeck hit the bar with a free header of a free kick that you were poorly set up to deal with.
This mistake was repeated with Brighton's winner (except there were two unmarked Brighton players on hand who could have scored). Preparing for set pieces is critical part of the tactical planning. Arteta, like other Managers, hired a Coach to focus purely on it. United were poorly set up to deal with the threat Brighton posed.
2) You'd take a 1 game sample size to conclude our readiness for season 3.
I haven't mentioned United's readiness for season 3 - that's your own invention. I said that "in his third season at United hasn’t managed to tactically set up his team to a level that comfortably exceeds that of Brighton." But you knew that, seeing as you quoted it in an earlier reply.
ETH has managed 117 games for United. This weekend is game week 2. You keep mentioning the second of those facts, but I would have thought the first one is more relevant when assessing how well United are coached.
"At least we competed well and almost earned a draw against a Brighton"
Surprised neither of you got the sarcasm but then that's because there are genuine ETH cultists here I suppose.I've mentioned this a few times, but a shockingly large portion of our fanbase talks about our club as if we were the likes of West Brom or Numancia and we should just be happy to be allowed to play in the same league as the big boys.
Careful, people will school you in how the top folks in United doesnt communicate so Ten Hag had no way of knowing what the price would be for Antony. None. Kept in the dark.A man who engineered zero goal difference for the first time in decades, is not only given a transfer kitty, has backing of the board and many CAF people will question the legitimacy of your support if you question ETH. Tbf, i don't question his coaching, i am denying its existence. This legendary man who worked with Antony in ajax for years one day decided "wow this one footed man will revamp old trafford as such, i must have that foot here even it will cost 80 millions"