People generally say this when a manager is hard on his players and says the 'right things'. Nothing quite sparks excitement like a millionaire authoritarian telling other millionaires they're not working hard enough to justify their salary.
Its total defeatism. People get like this whenever we need to sack a manager. They invested so much emotionally in wanting Ten Hag to work that now they're convinced there's absolutely nothing that can be done any more. It's either that or accept they're a shit judge of character and backed a shit manager, that level of reflection is too painful though.
I actually meant Fergie, but point still stands!
I wanted Conte over ten Hag, I've got no investment in him whatsoever.
Pep did not need his entire Barcelona staff, he won the league at Bayern without them, he would have done the same at City or United because he's a good coach, and if you offered Pep a billion quid to spend he'd go nowhere. You're rewriting narratives because we haven't won the league since Fergie left, if we had won a league title everyone would have been saying we were doing something right. This club is 'rotten' stuff is absolute bollocks. We've won every trophy except the CL and PL since Fergie retired.
Conte probably would have done a better job over the last 2 seasons to be fair, league wise anyway.
That's a bit revisionist. There's so many stories from managers, agents, reliable journalists criticising how the club has gone about its business for the last god knows how many years.
If you're at the point where you're saying he's got x amount of games to save his job, just sack him, he'd need a brain transplant in the mean time to turn things around. There just hasn't been any form of improvement throughout his tenure that suggests anything will improve over the next 100 games, let alone 2.
When it comes to signing players and squad building, yes there has. We've over paid, we've been naive, we've lost targets to rivals, all that is true, but we've still had the makings of a good squad at points, a top 4 squad at least and that's still true today. I keep hearing we need to clear the dead wood but there's practically 4 players around from when Jose was here, and those lads aren't exactly bad eggs and on social media/leaking news causing massive issues.
Midfield I agree to a point but Mainoo I’d personally like to see as an attacking 8 - I’m not sure about him in a pair.
It's comical. Mind that "2 trophies" was just recently used as justification to keep Ten Hag in place, just a few months ago.Thanks. What a weird little man.
Funny guy, and can’t really argue against it, to be fair
Agree completely. The asshole side of me however says we bought Rooney just a month after Smith and in the month Smith was here and Rooney wasn’t Smith was killing it.
It requires a lot of hope, but then it also requires a lot of hope that the next manager will be any more successful. I was for Tuchel in the summer and I'd still be up for him, but not sure he's even an option.
Good points. Ive been open minded about this approach for a while. We don't need someone in who's 'won things' we need someone in who can get the players buying into his philosphy. Doesn't need to be a big name.
There's nothing crybaby about what I said. They screwed up before due to changing their minds after 1 game and they've screwed up again by not immediately kicking him out the door.
Yeah I think Mainoo would be best in a possession-based 3 man midfield, not to say he couldn't do the role we're talking about. For example Christie was a number 10/wide player before Iraola repositioned him in the midfield so it's not like he's playing two poor technical players in there. Plus he does have licence to go forward sometimes so I feel Mainoo could do that role quite well.
Yeah I mean I understand “loving” how some of his Ajax teams played. But that’s about it, his football since coming here has been hilariously table, he’s unlikeable and arrogant as feck with the press, and in general doesn’t inspire at all to the point where I could see anyone “loving” him
Calling them worst dithers is crybaby nonsense. I’d much rather be where we are in terms of the current structure than the Glazers shit show.
I mean you just have to read my next sentence to know I don't think that? It doesn't have to be binary, I can think Ten Hag can still be a success and think someone else can be as well. I think Tuchel would at least structure us better and has a bit of pedigree. Not sure he's a particularly long term choice though, if we were to gamble on someone, I would like Iraola. There is absolutely no guarantee on him being any better than Ten Hag though and it's a huge step up.
It can't be crybaby nonsense if it's true. I agree I'd sooner have both here than just the Glazers but that doesn't mean the new structure isn't dithering. It's happening right in front of your eyes!
Funny guy, and can’t really argue against it, to be fair
