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Tweets like these are a good reference for the people whose eyes have stopped working. Standards no longer exist at this football club
Yep, I’ve been saying this for weeks. We know exactly what will happen, it’s so predictable at this point there’s no point in letting it play out. We just going further adrift from our targets and ambitions. Sack him tonight, make Ruud interim until the break and spend the next week or two finding the actual replacement and get it done.He should be gone tomorrow. Why bother losing the next two.
I don't believe you can.
Yep, I’ve been saying this for weeks. We know exactly what will happen, it’s so predictable at this point there’s no point in letting it play out. We just going further adrift from our targets and ambitions. Sack him tonight, make Ruud interim until the break and spend the next week or two finding the actual replacement and get it done.
Why does it matter how many managers a club goes through if the end result is success? Abramovich used to fire managers at the drop of a hat and it took Chelsea to five league titles and a couple of Champions Leagues. Zero thought was given to sentiment when the likes of Roberto Di Matteo were obviously not good enough, despite him winning one of those Champions League trophies. He was given his hefty compensation package and sent on his way. They've since gone through a laughing stock period of their own, but it didn't last for over a decade and seems to be over already. There are still zero signs of the United laughing stock era ending.I dunno, some clubs go through 5 managers in 3 years, that seems rather short sighted.
Honestly, if it is Southgate it will only be interim and it won’t be worse. We can get through the season, it won’t be great but we’ll live. At the current rate we’re going down.I was happily thinking that this shambles of an era is finally coming to an end. Then some of you started mentioning Southgate and now I feel sick. I think I had mentally blocked out the fact that he's a thing.
Saying there’s nothing wrong with his approach is a cop out. Lots and lots of people have pointed out the very obvious tactical weaknesses with his approach. Feck - opposition managers have literally started pointing it out in interviews after beating us.
This idea that if only the players started playing the system as designed it would magically bring results is a nonsense.
That’s the weird part about this summer. He stayed by the skin of his teeth and instead of preserving some monies for the next actual manager, they let him loose with another big budget. The next manager will inherit a bunch of brand new players he’ll have to keep around for the immediate foreseeable, whether or not they fit his style of play.It's staggering to think he's spent 600m plus to assemble that squad.
Anything other than that would be fecking insane.
Honestly, if it is Southgate it will only be interim and it won’t be worse. We can get through the season, it won’t be great but we’ll live. At the current rate we’re going down.
It's what Woodward did. We'll find out in the coming days if the new lot are any more decisive and proactive
That’s the weird part about this summer. He stayed by the skin of his teeth and instead of preserving some monies for the next actual manager, they let him loose with another big budget. The next manager will inherit a bunch of brand new players he’ll have to keep around for the immediate foreseeable, whether or not they fit his style of play.
Was there some genuine blind faith in him to turn it around?
Jose and LVG haven't won major trophies since coming here. Both were past it.I just feel this is patently untrue. Klopp would have failed here. Good managers have. LvG, Mourinho, they are not bad managers. Theyve won major trophies everywhere they went. They failed here because the set up was wrong after SAF. How can you have learned nothing from ten years plus of failures??
Klopp walked into a team built to compete. They were a few steps away - a top manager away from winning. This wasn't the Gillette Hicks panic buying Andy Carrol on deadline day for 80 million quid Liverpool. He completed it. We're nowhere near that point.
Yup. I’d honestly rather have Moyes again than have Southgate.Maybe it won't be worse than this, but the thoughts of him anywhere near the club genuinely sicken me. No other remotely serious club would touch him and we know exactly the kind of dog shit football we'll be served up.
He worked fecking miracles with that first Liverpool team he hadMignolet
Clyne
Skertl
Sakho
Moreno
Can
Lucas
Lallana
Coutinho
Milner
Origi
"A few pieces away" "ready made"
It’s a bad system. All our goals come from the same movement, the transition. We win the ball, everyone over commits and the opposition know exactly what we’re going to do and win the ball leaving the midfield and defence effectively gone. This happens every match, it’s by design at this point. Ten Hags system relies on the players making the perfect moves and passes in every attack. Suicide football.You're referring to Slot, who's Liverpool team had an identical pressing structure in that match, they were just much better at it than we are.
Sure there are a few tweaks we should make, but it isn't an inherently bad system, it's one that the players can't seem to grasp, which is a failure of what they're being trained to do.
I think both points are true, those managers were ‘past it’ or not cut out for the modern game but equally the club’ set up was at fault for their employment along with signings made.Jose and LVG haven't won major trophies since coming here. Both were past it.
I know, I think we’re all in the same boat but we need this to end at any cost. Plus it will be nice to come in here and moan about someone we all dislike for onceMaybe it won't be worse than this, but the thoughts of him anywhere near the club genuinely sicken me. No other remotely serious club would touch him and we know exactly the kind of dog shit football we'll be served up.
I think this would be a very stupid thing to do and if it was up to me we'd have sacked him long ago but I can see that maybe INEOS don't want a new manager or interim to start with Porto and Villa away. So maybe ETH will get them, lose both, then get sacked.
Plus it will be nice to come in here and moan about someone we all dislike for once
Jose and LVG haven't won major trophies since coming here. Both were past it.
It was by people who have been members of this site for over 20 years. There is no hope for them."We've won the FA Cup, let's ignore everything else, he should stay!"
I hope some of you have learned from this.
Move upstairs where? Rangick was offered that role cause we didn’t have anyone in place. We have entire team of proper C suite people. Why the feck would we add Southgate to that? And how the feck will be help by doing this?Because he’ll be pitched to come in as part of the project and move upstairs at the end of the season ala Rangick
And he’ll accept because he knows his limitations and that’ll be a cushty role
If I've learned anything from this forum, it's that the average football fan doesn't learn anything. The same mistakes, naiveties and false dawns have repeated themselves on an almost annual basis since Ferguson retired. They've even been doubled down on for Ten Hag"We've won the FA Cup, let's ignore everything else, he should stay!"
I hope some of you have learned from this.
Nothing beats era of failed Cardiff manager. This is bad but Solskjaer was ultimate disaster. Disaster level 10/10.Maybe but yet still miles better (and £600m less down the drain) than now.
"But we knew it will take some time with how the window went, some players [came] late in like [Manuel] Ugarte. Also we have to make some improvement in organisation and we have some injuries. We need some time."
I love how he just casually throws those excuses (which are standard things in football). Especially in his third season. Bloody hell.
He definitely knows it and is just going through the motions, I bet he can’t actually wait for it to be over.A nothing answer.
I think even he knows it's over.