They will find excuses like they have the whole summer.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Agreed. He was also mine.
Best to leave it alone man.
Had someone of them claiming that ETH regularly outcoaches Pep.
Nevermind the fact ETH gets out- coached by most opposition managers he comes up against and even the relegation fodder teams aren't scared to go toe to toe with us home or away.As long as he stubbornly plays Mount and Rashford doesn't matter what else we do. We're going to struggle to score and with slow ass Casemiro, Maguire and no natural LB at best we can draw the better sides.
I think he was most fans choice, he played pretty good high energy attacking football at Ajax but never brought that with him, if i recall he even admitted this himself.
But it was worth the gamble imo at the time, it clearly hasn't paid of and we should just admit that took it on the chin and moved him on, he had a fair crack in terms of time and money.
INEOS should look to the caf. Clearly a lot of untapped expertise on here.
Completely agree. Very well said. I haven’t seen us control a game from start to finish since he’s been here.
That was an excellent post mate. It perfectly sums up how I feel too.
Patience is running thin already.
Into season 3 and he still hasn't figured out how to defend in away matches.
We need to learn to keep a clean sheet before trying to do anything else really.
Into season 3 and he still hasn't figured out how to defend in away matches.
We need to learn to keep a clean sheet before trying to do anything else really.
You don’t change centre halves in a tight game unless there is an injury
Out of his depth both tactically and man management. Very limited manager that requires a specific subset of players to play his football.
I think Ineos submitted to fan pressure. Hopefully they have a plan.
If that offside goal had not touched Zirkzee, we will be talking about a different game here . Fine margins but I'm happy with how we performed at Amex today.
People talk as if Brighton away is easy. It has been our bogus ground for years.
People talk as if Brighton away is easy. It has been our bogus ground for years.
The bit about losing to Liverpool 7-0 being ‘unforgivable’ is arrogant hyperbole. Stinks of the ol’ ‘ta ra Fergie’. Or Andy Mitten demanding the end of Ferguson because ‘we’ve had three years of crap football and you sold all the talent’ after city beat us 5 1 in 89.
I’m not saying EtH is the next Ferguson. I don’t believed there is another. But such attention seeking nonsense as the above ought to be disregarded, outright.
Coaching and recruitment are important, yes, but neither is the ‘tip of the spear’, performance is and that is on the players. You can open the door, but the players must walk through it. United today played well, created chances but spaffed them. Yet again. Same as what happened under Ole’s fallow rope-a-dope, or Jose and LvG’s gruesome mechanics.
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I think they chickened out after Tuchel rejected their offer, otherwise he was a gonner. I don't believe they actually have full confidence in him (justifiably) . It was frustrating to see parts of the fan base knee jerk after the fa cup win and show amnesia of how bad it was before that game, i think it was just as bad/worse than Ole's end.
Ineos did not ‘succumb to fan pressure’ as the fans were split on sacking EtH. They spoke to a variety of manager and realised they weren’t worth the upheaval. Still the case now.
Also, 99 percent of managers require a ‘subset of players’ to implement their style and are limited by many factors as to their acquisition.
Anyway, Ashworth’s old mate Gareth is free, Get him in. Give him time. Positive vibes. Give him time. Heck, get Ole in as his deputy. Who cares what the fans think.
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This, a million times this. Say whatever we want about luck and whatever, but this - this is on the manager. Completely inept game management, 3 years in a row with no sign of improvement. What is Ineos even waiting for?
Best you book a long weekend in Tasmania then. If ETH can’t get these players to hang on to a draw against Brighton then Utd are surely fecked.
I watched ETH after match interview, feck his last words were something about the players getting the game management right. “Hells fire it’s your job to fecking manage how the players play and you fecked up by changing the defence and removing a centre back who hadn’t done much wrong all game. It’s was a senseless substitution to make and you blame the players,” shouted I at the screen.
I wanted ETH to stay after winning the cup, but my god he’s reverted to awful tactics, well no tactics at all and crazy substitutions. Utd need to get rid, we were fortunate to beat Fulham and got our just desserts against Brighton.
Thanks lads, appreciated. Seems we were well worth a point or 3, until we lost all momentum with the subs. Damn.
Afro - we play 4th division local football over here and we’re joint top of the log and ended up with a 1-0 win with an injury time winner. Frustrating match but got the 3 points to keep us on top (GD) with 10 matches left.
Also, why were we playing such a low backline? Even Brighton switched to a high back line in the second half, while we continued to play a low backline with no striker.
Ineos should have sacked him before that final. That was their mistake. I mean, we almost got knocked out in the semi by a championship team before that game if not for that tight ref call, which everybody forgets.
Ineos should have sacked him before that final. That was their mistake. I mean, we almost got knocked out in the semi by a championship team before that game if not for that tight ref call, which everybody forgets.
What did I just read.
It seems like if they give us the ball, we shit the bed. We don't really know what to do. So we pass and pass and move forward and by that time everyone is back.
Right? It was naive of the OP to think that the same arguments weren’t going to happen here if we start losing and playing like last season.
I said when they bought in Ruud he was being assessed as the next manager as TH won’t last the season. Nothing he has done pre season as filled me with any hope we are improving fast enough. When you look at Artetas progress in how he got Arse to play and we are still all over the place during a game is as plain as night and day.
If ETH wants to keep his job, he will start Garnacho Zirkzee and Amad and pray hard
Fantastic summary
Completely disingenuous argument I feel from him. You could literally say this for every goal scored or conceded for a manager.
I’m seeing a lot of these united ‘social media‘ guys coming up with weird things post this Brighton defeat. I think it’s cos they had decided that we’d turned the corner and this was gonna be a good season and they pushed the narrative that ten Haag should be backed under this new cohort. Now shits got real and the realisation that we’re still fecking shit and so we’re getting this weird in denial type feedback.
“The manager isn’t responsible for man marking” “our goal should have been allowed cos it was basically in.
Feels like he is already walking the plank. Won't last long if he doesn't learn quickly?
Reverting to lies now
When I looked in I did it really see anything apart from posts dressed up in a nicer way than the ETH thread which are basically people patting themselves on the back. I don’t get it, it’s been said a thousand times in the ETH thread, this is meant to be a more objective one about this season. Since I posted the thread is much bigger now but it seems very similar now as well?
I guess my point is we actually played quite well in a game we usually get absolutely dominated on the ball and, when we win, which is rare away, it’s usually bloody lucky (last time in the PL apart from last season was the famous handball penalty 10mins into stoppage time). That’s not to say Brighton are the yardstick, far from it, but we’ve not played poorly this season. Yet.
Re rule. I don’t like it but I accept it’s inevitable (I think it’s stupid because there’s absolutely no debate that it was going in and that Zirkzee hasn’t affected play at all) because if they started looking at it subjectively it’d be more drama for VAR to mess up.
Would you take Emery? I’m sure he’d be up for another top club stint, probably has a record to set straight
@simonhch gotta chime in too. That was a brilliant post. I agree with every single word.
In all fairness, many of.those goals came in a purple patch after a goal drought. He went into another drought after that patch.
What were Artetas first three league finishes?
Basically, Sharky, you were asked to consider matters with regard to context.
When we lost to Liverpool seven nil, it came a week after EtH had ended a six year trophy hoodoo. We finished above Liverpool that season and qualified for another cup final. All this in a season in which EtH inherited a wide range of serious issues, from Ronaldo to a club sale, and was expected himself to be clipped.
Instead, the above poster spouts nonsense as that defeat being ‘unforgivable’, going on to cite other clubs who would not tolerate such blasphemy, without any real hard evidence. This includes Alex Ferguson, who our ‘holier than thou’ fan base demanded we sack in similar circumstances.
We didn't play badly is not a metric. It just means that we could have been worse and lost the plot completely. We could have had Onana chuck one in, but that didn't happen.
What did we do with our posession? How many shots on target could we muster? How much time did they spend trying to stop us.
He’ll be gone by Christmas, RvN stepping in as caretaker. Ineos have generally made good moves with the club in a short time but keeping EtH was a big mistake. He’s spent 600m+ and the team still barely plays cohesive football. Even Brightons 31 year old manager has them already playing like a team his way.
Don’t bother mate. It’s hard to take it seriously when it is that garbage of an opinion that unaccepting losing 7-0 to pool is nothing more than hyperbole reeking arrogance from united fans equivalent to ta ra Fergie. I’ll tell you what it reeks, it’s so disingenuous that it reeks of a like.
There was a season-by-season progression.
And Arteta never had a league campaign as poor as ETH's last season.
We were lucky to have finished 8th.
He won't learn anything.
Our only hope is that he doesn't need to learn anything, i.e. that he actually knows what he's doing and that his master plan will bear fruit at some point (preferably while we're all still alive).
But I'm worried that they're giving him these players that suit counter attack football, Thus making it hard for the next guy. I hope they have this long term plan as you say but I'm not sure
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