I think they will batter us to be honest.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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We only have two games left before the international break. It's now or never. Spurs and Villa.
Edit: Sorry, it's 3, we play Porto in the middle.
Are you nuts, that's not in our DNA. We stand by our managers
Is the Porto game before or after the break?
Yeah sorry, the Porto game is midweek between Spurs and Villa
I just can't speak with any confidence of when we will next win with him in charge. How have some still not seen enough. There's so little to suggest this bloke is anything special or long term going to get us back to the point, so why the faith.
For us who wants EtH gone yesterday, can you feel that all the people who defends him never have arguments for why. They just use "Fergie got a couple of years", "We cant keep firing managers", "The group must settle" etc. Often not a single one of actual football progress or liking him as a person.
For me, he should have left Carrington after the big Liverpool defeat. Haven't enjoyed my team since.
For me, he should have left Carrington after the big Liverpool defeat. Haven't enjoyed my team since.
I can see progress. We are on the right path.
The schedule is shit, if we had more games against the likes of Barnsley and S'ton things would look much rosier.
The schedule is shit, if we had more games against the likes of Barnsley and S'ton things would look much rosier.
Can ETH backers outline what they think his greatest strengths are.
My bet is on Ruud.
Don't worry, we will next season when we're in the Championship.
Yeah Ruud will probably step in for a few games, don't know if he'll get the whole season though, too much riding on not getting into Europe.
I'm not sure you're taking the piss but if you aren't. The supporters you think this lesson will target won't learn anything from dragging this out. Most of them will still think he was sacked too soon because we didn't give him 6 years like Fergie got. If the decade of giving managers too much time and the repeated shitshows that resulted from that hasn't taught them that there's no Fergie mk2 destined to repeat SAF's career, nothing will.
Well, firstly you listed arguments for why in your post saying there isn't arguments why...
And there are loads of reasons given in this thread by posters, some more sensible than others, for why they think he should stay. The same in reverse for those who want him gone.
An important game for us as we can't afford to lose that one as well. So this is for me the endgame. 3 games we can't afford to lose, 3 games where the team has to not only show good performances but also results. Its not out of the realm if possibility that we win all 3, but it is a tough position EtH has put himself in.
Those aren't arguments why you should keep Ten Hag. They're nebulous arguments for why you should never fire any manager and were also made for Moyes, Mourinho and Ole
For what it's worth I think it's one of the most disrespectful arguments to Ferguson going around. You genuinely want us to believe that what he achieved could have been achieved by any Tom, Dick or Harry if only they had long enough.
Again....the thread is full of arguments from posters for why EtH should have been given this season and not have been fired. Again, some more sensible than others, the same goes for the reverse arguments for him being fired. You clearly haven't seen an argument saying he should never be fired.
He’s got three games coming up, where given the opposition you wouldn’t be surprised if we lost all three.
Lose those, and we’ll be back in full-on pitchforks and torches mode.
Which is why, I'd also hit them at the gates too.
If you wanted this as a fanbase, you now pay for it. We should try and make up for the lost revenue for the CL at the gates going forward.
If this is the excuse to bring ticket prices back in-line with inflation over the last 15 years - we'll be financially healthier in the long term too.
Seems immune. They didn’t even really come up last season except after the Palace 4-0, but even that got quickly dismissed.
We could lose 14-0 on Sunday and I still won’t expect any talk of him being sacked. I don’t know what it’ll take. Apparently a lot.
But none of the arguments was for HIM as a manager. What makes him, as a manager and person, the right manager. Not the situation at the club.
If he loses all three there is no way he survives the international break. It already feels like Ole's last few weeks.
The thing with EtH is he often does enough to scrape through, I suspect we will bear spurs and get draws from the other two.
I'm at the point, I think I've seen enough. I don't have a reason to think this guy can return us to the top, given that I don't see the point continuing.
really?With Ten Hag in charge and how we are currently playing, looking at the fixtures, I could genuinely see us not winning again till November.
And, again, saying 'managers need time', the 'group needs to settle' and 'SAF was shit too' isn't an argument FOR Ten Hag it's an argument that through the power of wishful thinking any manager could be successful.
If you want to turn them into arguments FOR ten Hag himself you need to focus on concrete things that he has done here to justify why he himself should have that backing as opposed to say Dave who manages the Dog and Duck XI. As it is, even his backers don't actually like his football so it just becomes another exercise in listing excuses for why he's never been able to get us consistently playing in a way that suggests he could be successful.
You’d think even a basic coach could get our team playing better. Ten Hag talks a good game but the proof is in the pudding. And we are still inept and clueless and easy to work out.
Those aren't tangible reasons to keep ETH. They're vague concepts that can be applied to any manager, and indeed have been said about all of Moyes, Mourinho, Ole.
What have we seen in what ETH has coached and led into this team in what is now his third season that is a reason to think he specifically should continue on as our manager?
Yes we have to win at least 2 of these 3 games. With only 1 win we would have only 4 wins in the first 11 official games. Even last year we had 6 wins in the first 11 official games, which was bad. This year is abysmal if he doesn’t win at least 2 of next 3 games.
We are level with a dutch side at home. chasing a goal, and we don't know how to fecking create a proper chance. He's been here for 2 entire seasons. Not up to the standard. Look at our rivals scoring goals galore and we can't get past 1 goal at home.
It’s mildly amusing think back on Di Matteo. Caretaker wins a CL with Chelsea largely on the back of the players carrying on with their Mourinho era tactics. Quickly fired the next season because he was clearly not up to it.
Imagine if that happened with us. You would have our fanbase clamoring for him to stay, saying he’s won a champions league, how can we fire him? He clearly has something about him to be able to win that, and even if he doesn’t, he’s won more European trophies since he’s been here than every other manager.
That’s the exact same line of thinking people have been using with ETH and his tinpot cup wins
Imagine if that happened with us. You would have our fanbase clamoring for him to stay, saying he’s won a champions league, how can we fire him? He clearly has something about him to be able to win that, and even if he doesn’t, he’s won more European trophies since he’s been here than every other manager.
That’s the exact same line of thinking people have been using with ETH and his tinpot cup wins
No thanks. I have zero interest in having a toxic manager here who has already turned us down once. The job was on a plate for him this summer if he wanted it, accepting another offer down the line would be because he can't get a job elsewhere - not because he wants to manage Man Utd.
We are so fecking crap. Just waiting for him to be sacked now. Watch most games with complete boredom. We barely create any actual goal scoring chances. That was against the lowest ranked team we will face in the EL league stage this season too. Absolutely rubbish.
He bought an entire squad, spent 2 years here and for what? We have 0 attacking ideas and we have a defensive mistake prepared for almost every game.
Our only attacking plan is give the ball to the wingers and God help us.
Our only attacking plan is give the ball to the wingers and God help us.
Lost faith. I won’t lie. Not the coach I thought he was.
If the team wins the next 3 with performances similar to what we've seen for most of the season (outside of pool) the narrative will be positive e.g. better possession, more chances etc. If we have 3 poor performances then it'll be negative with the fact we haven't had a full 90 of a good performance outside of Barnsley. Now is it likely we win all 3, probably not. However, is it beyond the realm of possibility, no. The reality is EtH's time here will be put in to context after the fact. If you have made up your mind that he is going to fail, fair enough. Is EtH reaching the end of his tether, quite likely. We will see what happens.
I personally think he needs to win all 3. It's at a point where he has to show something with this team.
No don’t agree. That’s being harsh on fans with a different opinion. Remember opinions are like assholes, everyone has one
But whilst my opinion since last season is that he and hai brand of football will not work here, it’s not ok for me to say people are not fans if they disagree
Where did the rest of the fans go?
Wow. Classy contribution
3 more games to go, hold on lads.
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