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Max Allegri
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Max Allegri
Yep, we have finally had a summer where we targetted profiles over names. So its now time to develop our players into real top players.
I think if we can develop Hojlund Garnacho and Diallo, they can be our goal scoring trio. The good thing is they seem to be mates off the pitch which kind of helps, they all want each other to do well, hopefully we see that on the pitch and they look for each other.
The way Amad plays, I can see Hojlund getting goals in the box, he has this cut in and backpost cross that we need to make use of against low blocks.
Not scoring enough goals this season will be determintal to the team's progress.
I agree in terms of the trio you mentioned, Rashford and Bruno are the main guys and they both must lead in performances, but the other 4 attackers (Hojlund, Zirkzee, Amad & Garnacho) must manage some consistency to score and hopefully they develop that part of their game.
100%.Exactly, even though they are young, players seem to peaking earlier now, you dont generally see players get to 26 then peak.
So that excuse that people us "not in his peak yet" needs to be stopped. Look at Rashford, this should theoretically be his peak but is he any better than he was 3/4 years ago? Is Bruno any better than when he first joined us? Amad is 23 now and really needs to step up to the plate, the early signs are he is going to do that which is good.
100%.
Our attackers must step up this season, no matter how well the team defends or controls the midfield, if our attackers don't convert chances, we'll be in trouble.
Yep, I think its difficult to rely on individuals to get those goals, its about sharing them around. Madrid, City all scored goals prior to getting Haaland / Mbappe, so its more created enough chances.
I think next 4 weeks will be crucial for Ten Hag.
Well maybe we should have brought in ONE RECOGNISED goal scorer instead of two youngsters one who is injury prone and shown absolutely nothing to indicate he will be a success. Hojlund is a bloody disaster and a waste of money. I’m not sure on Zirkzee because even he said he’s a number 9.5 what ever the hell that is.We are lacking an experienced striker, and will need Højlund or Zirkzee to hit scoring form. Do you think there are managers out there that instantly turn these two into goalscoring monsters?
We have fecking RvN on the coaching staff, give it some time.
Huh? Since when? Why have such a downer on him? Explain your workings.Well maybe we should have brought in ONE RECOGNISED goal scorer instead of two youngsters one who is injury prone and shown absolutely nothing to indicate he will be a success. Hojlund is a bloody disaster and a waste of money. I’m not sure on Zirkzee because even he said he’s a number 9.5 what ever the hell that is.
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
How is Højlund a disaster? He’s not even had a chance this year. Showed promise with his goal in pre season against Arsenal. Didn’t have to bad of a first season in a dysfunctional team.Well maybe we should have brought in ONE RECOGNISED goal scorer instead of two youngsters one who is injury prone and shown absolutely nothing to indicate he will be a success. Hojlund is a bloody disaster and a waste of money. I’m not sure on Zirkzee because even he said he’s a number 9.5 what ever the hell that is.
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
I agree that Liverpool probably aren’t that much better than us. They’ve just had a world class manager that got the most out of some average players. Bit like Fergie did, we never really had a world class squad under Fergie, I mean some players was but he made average players look world class. Arsenal I’d say have a very strong squad all round. Plus they’ve had years playing together under Arteta so have developed really good. I think that’s what we’re aiming for under ETH, a young squad that can grow together and challenge for top trophies. It is very hard to sign a world class ST who guarantees you goals. I think only Kane and Haaland probably fit that profile now. We have 2 young ST, with a world class ex ST now coaching them. Time to develop our own goal machine.
So I’m guessing you’re saying John O Shea, Fletcher, Fabio, Rafael, Gibson. All them are world class? Like I said we had world class players under him but never a full squad of them.What is this new narrative?
I guess there's never been a world class squad in the PL then.
There's never been a team I can think of that had a squad that only contained 'world class' playersSo I’m guessing you’re saying John O Shea, Fletcher, Fabio, Rafael, Gibson. All them are world class? Like I said we had world class players under him but never a full squad of them.
Take any so-called world class squad in the PL and you'll find players like this. You think City have/had a world class squad while destroying the league? Delph, Zinchenko, Sane, Laporte, Ake, Akanji, Cancelo?So I’m guessing you’re saying John O Shea, Fletcher, Fabio, Rafael, Gibson. All them are world class? Like I said we had world class players under him but never a full squad of them.
Ye but my point was he could make average players world beaters. Pep sold most of city’s average squad when he took over and replaced with superstars.There's never been a team I can think of that had a squad that only contained 'world class' players
Ye but pep got rid of most of them. Only 2 of them remain and there good players in a system. Fergie didn’t sell all our average players he made them world beaters.Take any so-called world class squad in the PL and you'll find players like this. You think City have/had a world class squad while destroying the league? Delph, Zinchenko, Sane, Laporte, Ake, Akanji, Cancelo?
SAF is widely acknowledged to be an all time great and easily the best manager the PL has ever seen. We don't need to pretend it was an Aberdeen v Old Firm situation.
Well maybe we should have brought in ONE RECOGNISED goal scorer instead of two youngsters one who is injury prone and shown absolutely nothing to indicate he will be a success. Hojlund is a bloody disaster and a waste of money. I’m not sure on Zirkzee because even he said he’s a number 9.5 what ever the hell that is.
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Each of them played a very important role in one or more PL wins. They were moved on after Pep made them 'world beaters'.Ye but pep got rid of most of them. Only 2 of them remain and there good players in a system. Fergie didn’t sell all our average players he made them world beaters.
But could pep beat an AC Milan side by playing 7 defenders?Each of them played a very important role in one or more PL wins. They were moved on after Pep made them 'world beaters'.
Seems like Pep just likes to keep signing average players and making them star in title challenges. Maybe folks in the "Pep is the greatest manager of all time" thread would have something to say about that.
That’s the spirit!Well maybe we should have brought in ONE RECOGNISED goal scorer instead of two youngsters one who is injury prone and shown absolutely nothing to indicate he will be a success. Hojlund is a bloody disaster and a waste of money. I’m not sure on Zirkzee because even he said he’s a number 9.5 what ever the hell that is.
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Max Allegri
There never was a squad made up entirely of only world class players. The notion is ridiculous.So I’m guessing you’re saying John O Shea, Fletcher, Fabio, Rafael, Gibson. All them are world class? Like I said we had world class players under him but never a full squad of them.
Max Allegri
So I’m guessing you’re saying John O Shea, Fletcher, Fabio, Rafael, Gibson. All them are world class? Like I said we had world class players under him but never a full squad of them.
I’d say Barcas was pretty close. The point I was trying to make is Fergies teams weren’t full of superstars like the majority of peps teams.There's never been a single team in football history that fits this criteria.
I’d say Barcas was pretty close. The point I was trying to make is Fergies teams weren’t full of superstars like the majority of peps teams.
Shown nothing and a bloody disaster? Really??? Such hyperbolic nonsense. He has shown there's plenty there to work with.
I mean, three possibilities:That's going to take a few years and one of the other three falling down. Hopefully City will get relegated for a decade of cheating but the corruption of football suggests they won't.
There are some here who say Licha is world class. Not me, but some.United without any question had world class squads in 98-99 and 07-08, possibly one or two others as well where we came up just short in the CL while winning the PL trophy.
One of our problems today is that we have nothing close to a world class squad. As this season started there wasn’t a single player you’d rub your hands together over and say yep he’s world class.
I appreciate and share the sentiment but at the same time we all have to appreciate how entitled it sounds. We've been shit for decades because of the Glazers. That doesn't get fixed with a chequebook overnight. I think it's gonna be a long long time, to quote Elton John.I sort of take offense to your “and one of the other three falling down”. No, the manager of Manchester United is paid a lot of money, like a top 5 salary. It’s not good enough to back into a title. He needs to go and grab it. That’s the job. With the amount of money spent on the squad, the expectation is major trophies.
Isn’t it funny after 2 wins in a row and scoring some goals there’s all this nonsense about max Allegri. Why on earth would we part ways with ETH after 2 wins anyway? If it was gonna happen it would have after the Liverpool game. Hate the media trying to stir things up a day before we play a game. Focus on city and how they didn’t win their champions league game or something!
What currently available manager would you bring in and be able to confidently say that scenario 1 is more than 20% likely to materialize?I mean, three possibilities:
1. He shows progress, makes the CL spots this year, challenges for the PL and /or CL in the next year. Wins a title and challenges consistently for titles and wins one every few years. This is the “ride off into the sunset” scenario.
2. Shows progress, makes a CL spot this year and keeps his job, but never really challenges for a major title. Eventually gets sacked.
3. Fails to make CL spots this year and is sacked. Could possibly implode and get sacked during the season.
I sort of take offense to your “and one of the other three falling down”. No, the manager of Manchester United is paid a lot of money, like a top 5 salary. It’s not good enough to back into a title. He needs to go and grab it. That’s the job. With the amount of money spent on the squad, the expectation is major trophies.
What we’ve seen so far, I would put scenario 1 at less than 10%. Maybe others think it is a bit higher, but even at 20%, that’s still a low chance. If that’s the case, why waste time? Obviously, we would need to see strong performances and results in the next run of matches. Outside the top 4 by the new year and I think it’s danger one for him.
I’m just venting my frustrations at the fact we always get these nonsense stories coming out after winning a few games and the day before a match. Where as none of the other big teams get these stories that could distract them.It's not even media, it's less than that. It's absolute nonsense made up by chancers. The fact its even being mentioned on here is mad.
I’m just venting my frustrations at the fact we always get these nonsense stories coming out after winning a few games and the day before a match. Where as none of the other big teams get these stories that could distract them.
Give me sport article was saying it yesterday. And when it gets published from different articles then the manager usually gets asked about it in his press conference. So everyone hears about itIt’s not even being spoken about anywhere of note though, is it? Kids on twitter is hardly noise, it’s not a distraction and can’t be spoken about like it’s some big disturbance. It’s obvious bollocks.