So a very good performance wouldn't ease your nerves around Ten Hag remotely?
I dont have any issue if this is the case, and I'd understand your school of thought. But curious to know how hardened the stance is.
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I dont have any issue if this is the case, and I'd understand your school of thought. But curious to know how hardened the stance is.
A defeat and another bad performance......Ten Hag can't survive that.
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Before I engage with you further please watch that video from 13 mins on. You’ll understand the point I was making is nowhere near the one you are arguing against.
Yes, I agree!
If United had the perfect formation and style of play that suited him, it might be a different story. Teams don't really build for a goalkeeper, though. De Gea would have been much more beneficial when it came to shot stopping, especially last season wen there was so many shots against us.
Players are still hung over from international break
I’m open to him turning things around but the performances have been the same for the best part of 18 months. We play well against these shite teams that haven’t got a clue, get schooled by the big boys and are hit or miss against the mid table teams. The consistency at which that happens doesn’t suggest anything is being turned around or improving, it’s just a very expensive squad battering a very inexpensive squad due to individual ability.
Players did not "stick to the plan"
If I've misinterpreted your post that I was referring to mate apologies.
We cannot say "he doesnt have the players to play his style" anymore. He spent over 600M to recruit a team he wants. If Casemiro cannot play the way he wants his #6 to play, that's on Ten Hag.
Last season we sucked against the bottom teams too, sadly.
From the opening games I see a good game vs Fulham, a good 45 vs Brighton and a good 15-20 vs Liverpool.
Not exactly anything to write home about I guess. A solid 90 vs Southampton will be very positive but its fecking Southampton.
It's just aggregating what the Muppetiers guy claimed in his latest video
It’s easy to excuse as well. They weren’t his signings, they were club signings.
Injuries
Would that be a man management issue? He isn't very good at that is he.
I think its one of the reasons we can't sustain a good performance for 90 minutes.
At this point I think that the plan is just a drawing of some lemmings walking off a cliff, with Ten Hag hovering above them, wearing a propeller hat with his willy hanging out.
Pre-season bulking on an exclusive diet of greasy fish & chips or kroketten ?
Not for me it wouldn’t, because we’ve seen them put in the odd very good performance under Ten Hag. That’s not the issue with his management. The fundamental issue is he has not been able to get them to do it consistently, which makes being competitive in anything but cup competitions impossible. We can beat a great team well one day, then get totally battered and embarrassed by a different good team on another day, then look like hot garbage scraping by lower table and lower league teams on lots of other days.
So how does a very good performance ease that? Are we really at the point where we’re supposed to give Utd managers credit for a very good performance against the likes of Southampton?
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Fun fact lemmings don’t do that. I can neither confirm nor deny the Ten Hag allegations.
Yep. Nothing to suggest we'll suddenly turn in a good performance. Particularly in an away game under Ten Hag.
“Good performance” is also an extremely vague and subjective term. If we create a few big chances, tuck away a couple but still get sucked into an end to end game where Soton just feck up the final action enough times where we win 2-0 or something that’s hardly a good performance.
For me, “good” would be consistently putting pressure on them in the final third, snuffing out attacks quickly with minimal exertion, and in general having a level of control on the match that makes it seem very comfortable.
Agree. Something I can't remember the last time we saw it from us.
All good pal! Fingers crossed we pick up significantly later this season.
I'd like to think it has to happen at some point. Watching this team the last 18 months has been an ordeal.
One good game would not change anything, no. We have had the odd good games even last season. To be fair even if we went on a great run and were 6th or 7th by Christmas, I would still have doubts simply because I’ve seen how terrible we can be under him.
It will though, because that's who we are. It's how football discourse has gone too. A striker can be dreadful for months and one deflects in off his bum and it's "take that, doubters"
A win will absolutely change everything. It shouldn't, but it will. Managers doing just enough at crucial junctions in a failed season to avoid getting the sack and instead ploughing on until the next point where they need a win to alleviate pressure, is our speciality.
If we win there'll be a massive upsurge in people wetting themselves at the nerve of those who dared to doubt.
I did watch the video. It was interesting, so thanks for linking it!
I was obviously exaggerating in my post, but we appear to have taken different things from the video.You seemed to absolve the manager of the big part of the blame and instead focus on Liverpool having better players, e.g., "The best players allow you to play better systems and play better football because of the consistency in their ability to execute the simple and their ability to execute the sublime."
What I see is that we don't need the best players in the world to execute the simple patterns that were discussed at 13 mins on. That's why I said either that these tactics don't fit these players' strengths (on the manager) or they are not drilled to spot and exploit these patterns consistently (also on the manager). And that's why even when we have far better players than several mid table teams, our football has been a pain to watch in recent years whereas theirs is better, just with more limited players than ours.
Yeah I am talking about my perception not the general public. I agree with you and I had said before that getting a draw against Southampton will improve his support to 25-30% and winning may get it to 40-50%.
This mad narrative has been a thing since the Jose days. It's used to suit agendas: player plays well, manager wanted him, player doesn’t play well, club signed him.
The ready made excuses have been used across 3 managers too. It's bonkers.
I mean, people have convinced themselves that Antony and Onana were club signings so what can you do.
FA cup final showed no vibes and no tactics? Feck off.
the Southampton game will determine whether or not the players still have faith in him. Anything but a win there says they’ve downed tools.
Yes and no. He abandoned his system after it failed to produce goals and entertainment. Instead we went for a more pragmatic style.
He got the system implemented but the last step was never taken. The squad wasn’t good enough for that.
None.
Rewatched the Saints highlights anything less than a convincing win and he should be out. They are beyond shocking.
Is ‘Agenda’ a new word for ‘Opinion’ or ‘Point of view’?
Does everything have to be so combative and polarised?
Does everything have to be so combative and polarised?
Anyone who was a bit naff after being signed by Jose, Ole and ETH was absolutely a club signing.
The best cases for that were Bailly and Lindelof because when we were linked to them the narrative was that they were definitely Mourinho's own targets due to his link with Benfica and spanish Football.
Painful isn’t it? People have to be extreme on here now, you’re either in one camp or another, no in between.
Agenda is the correct term when you diligently share a narrative that has a particular outcome. And it's not a particulary extreme observation, people do that all the time.
I don't think the players have ever been against him. Aside from Sancho. They've always looked like they've been trying, they're just following shit instructions from a crap manager.
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