Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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I agree so this is why the DOF communication comes into the fold surely someone has to have a hard conversation with the manager to suggest fixing the priority positions first before moving unto other targets ? Mount was likely the first signing because of interest from rivals but was the signing of MM more important by way of priority than perhaps a wide forward and a striker.

This is what I don't understand, if United have got Qatar money by all means reinforce the midfield first and worry about the main priorities later in the window due to having the resources to capitalize. But when there's limited finances with comedic ownership why are these conversations not had.

I don't see any examples of a team that has had midfielders score decent amount of goals without having consistent wide players to provide the advances for the midfield moving further forward. Odegaard doesn't score double digits if not for the influence of Saka / Martinelli creating havoc giving him the space to exploit more areas that are otherwise non-existent if the wide players don't attack their areas.

Same can be said for Mount he scored more goals when Reece James and Chilwell were providing that width when both were fit and in form. No surprise that when Chelsea's width dried up due to injury the goals from midfield began to recline.

Now the narrative for United is set in stone almost for the upcoming season, 'team exerts decent control but doesn't finish chances'. That is not solved by a striker alone it's the entire attacking lineup that needs to be shaken up.

Brilliant post. I'd say we would need to replace the entire right hand side if we ever wanted to challenge, which is why ETH probably wanted Frimpong.
 
I like the guy but crying about not having good finishers after spending 85m on Antony is quite hypocritical.

If he was an oppo manager, he'd be eaten alive on here.

Also, Bruno on the wing doesn't work. We lacked threat when he played there last season and I cannot see how that improves us in the big games. Let's hope he proved me wrong.
We have not had a proper striker for too long. If you take Haaland out of City, they would also have a big problem. Under Fergie, we had 2-3 top strikers at once. It is needed!
 
We have not had a proper striker for too long. If you take Haaland out of City, they would also have a big problem. Under Fergie, we had 2-3 top strikers at once. It is needed!

City scored 99 goals in the league the season before they had Haaland and their top scorer was a midfielder.
 
To start I dont condone what Greenwood did and his bird must be as thick as shit to have him back.

TH likes Greenwood andI think Greenwood will be brought back into the fold probably a couple of months into the season, after intensive training. Of coure he will be booed, but if hes got broad shoulders he will play through it like Maguire, Ronaldo, Beckham etc did and in 6 months/year, someone else will be the bad boy. He is an instant step up in quality over Antony attackingwise and both will be utilised on RW and Greenwood would also become Hojlund backup.
Are we allowed to discuss this again?
 
How do you know? Everyone I've spoken about it to has agreed with me. To accuse him then to try and pull it back in the first place shows that something is lacking.

You didn't tell me you'd done such scientific studies into this :rolleyes:.

I'm sure you and the Tate brothers had a really good debate over it.
 
You didn't tell me you'd done such scientific studies into this :rolleyes:.

I'm sure you and the Tate brothers had a really good debate over it.
I could say the same to you arguing the other side. Its a forum. We all have different opinions otherwise it wouldnt be. Lets leave it at that.
 
I kinda start to see why this topic was not allowed to be discussed on the CAF.
 
Im only saying what the majority of people think. Get over yourself.

“Why don’t abuse victims just leave the abuser? It’s so simple!”

Woah. As if you’ve just solved an issue that affects millions of people so so easily. Why has no one ever thought of that?

I wish I was as half as intelligent, empathetic and insightful as you.
 
To start I dont condone what Greenwood did and his bird must be as thick as shit to have him back.

TH likes Greenwood andI think Greenwood will be brought back into the fold probably a couple of months into the season, after intensive training. Of coure he will be booed, but if hes got broad shoulders he will play through it like Maguire, Ronaldo, Beckham etc did and in 6 months/year, someone else will be the bad boy. He is an instant step up in quality over Antony attackingwise and both will be utilised on RW and Greenwood would also become Hojlund backup.
Get the F out of here.
 
We have not had a proper striker for too long. If you take Haaland out of City, they would also have a big problem. Under Fergie, we had 2-3 top strikers at once. It is needed!
That time is in the past, big clubs can’t afford 2/3 top strikers anymore because of ffp ( unless they are cheats like PSG and 115 Charges FC).

Tactics have changed too in favour of goal scoring wingers that come inside (Salah, Rashford) instead of two striker systems.

What we should go for is potential (Hojlund) or a one/two year stopgap, (Taremi), otherwise we can’t upgrade other positions in the squad.

If we had gotten Kane for 120 million, there would be no Onana & Mount. His salary and transfer fees would swallow up three good reinforcements we need.
 
That time is in the past, big clubs can’t afford 2/3 top strikers anymore because of ffp ( unless they are cheats like PSG and 115 Charges FC).

Tactics have changed too in favour of goal scoring wingers that come inside (Salah, Rashford) instead of two striker systems.

What we should go for is potential (Hojlund) or a one/two year stopgap, (Taremi), otherwise we can’t upgrade other positions in the squad.

If we had gotten Kane for 120 million, there would be no Onana & Mount. His salary and transfer fees would swallow up three good reinforcements we need.

Yep we couldn't have done both
 
I love the direction we’re heading under him but I get annoyed every time I see Bruno out wide. He’s a goals/assists machine in the 10, and his carelessness with his passing is basically acceptable for the return we get. Out wide he’s too far from the goal to get enough of the good stuff, so I just don’t get it.

can anyone who actually understands football enlighten me?
 
I love the direction we’re heading under him but I get annoyed every time I see Bruno out wide. He’s a goals/assists machine in the 10, and his carelessness with his passing is basically acceptable for the return we get. Out wide he’s too far from the goal to get enough of the good stuff, so I just don’t get it.

This one is baffling to me too. Most of all when we were playing Fernandes on the wing for the benefit of playing fecking Weghorst at #10.

The only explanation I can come up with as for why we keep doing it is that it worked once in a big game (vs Barca in the Nou Camp) so Ten Hag is convinced it must be able to work on some level in less testing circumstances. But really, beyond Bruno being able to cross the ball (when we usually have nobody to attack it anyway), I can't grasp the theory on how it even might work consistently otherwise.
 
I love the direction we’re heading under him but I get annoyed every time I see Bruno out wide. He’s a goals/assists machine in the 10, and his carelessness with his passing is basically acceptable for the return we get. Out wide he’s too far from the goal to get enough of the good stuff, so I just don’t get it.

can anyone who actually understands football enlighten me?
Yes please. I did notice Bruno still pops up in the box even when playing on the wing, so I am not freaking out when he plays there.
 
Fair to say he's been backed very well.

Pressure on now to deliver, which I don't doubt he will!
 
We’ve bought players from Inter Milan, Atalanta and potentially Fiorentina if Amrabat is correct.

 
How do you know? Everyone I've spoken about it to has agreed with me. To accuse him then to try and pull it back in the first place shows that something is lacking.
This is, of course, off topic but your position is far, far too simplistic.

From what I know, the woman in question was barely of legal age when this incident occured and she hardly seems to have a family who are willing to push this accusation. Rather, it seems the exact opposite.

Basically, them being back together is not the gotcha you seem to think it is. Frankly, your position about as mature as a teengager's or a early 20s at best.
 
Said months ago been impressed but too early to judge as seen other managers post Ferguson do well in there first seasons and then flop and that this window would be a good indicator of how his future could progress here.

Thoght the first window seemed a tad rushed "I want Timber, Antony and two CM"....reckon he wanted one or two more signings. But we missed out on Timber and ended up paying on all three of our major signings as good as two were last season and ended up in the free transfer market as short.

Said before this window that ideally we need 7 signings and at least 10 players out. Well we are about half way there (ith Hoijlund about to sign) so interesting to see how the rest of the window plays out.

I actuallly have changed to six as thought we needed competition for Bissaka as maybe not good enough, now I dont. But we do need a second striker, second keeper and second centre back in my opinion and to do that we do need to riase money, Elanga is the only one of any value to go so far....there are at least 5 to move on who hold value.

What I have liked in the first full window settled in moving to a new season with Ten Hag, is he seems to have a clear vision of what he wants from his team and how he wants them to play and he is making signings to fit into that system, other managers failed to do that.

We all have our personal choice in the market, so personally I am not delighted by any of the signings so far, but I am not dissapointed either like I have been with many signings we have made in the past. That is probably overly critical this window though, personally was time for DeGea to go and I really dotn see a single keeper around and available I am super confident will fill the shoes to be a quality number one mentally and makign saves.....but he hugely improves the flow of our football and confidence at the back in that regard. Mount was a big surprise, think he is a good player, but I am still not sure how well he will work as a number 8. Hoijlund I simply havent seen bar 20mins for Denmark, but from youtube and what I have read and the simple fact we havent had a good striker uner the age of 30 and fit for a long time.....I am excited about him and how he could add so much to the play of our wide players with a genuine striker to feed.

But if Greenwood doesnt come back this season, still concerned about one striker. Not concerned about no dm if we dont sign Arambat tbh as always thought Mainoo could come through as the back up this season.....My biggest concern player wise is at centre back. Luke shaw can play the left but it takes away from us at left back as Malacia did ok the first few months but seemed to fade later on and Varanes injuries....just dont have the faith in Lindelof over 20games or so to continue our momentum, nor do I have any faith in Maguire.....really want to see us sign a promisin gyoung centre back to compete with Varane, as Lindelof isnt that guy to me
 
I've always suspected that his weakness was his inability to transform our offensive play last season. However, it is possible that this is due to the fact that we did not have a decent striker previous season. But my assessment was based in part on how he signed WW and how he used him later on when he recognized how bad WW was in front of the goal and how useless our wing plays were despite having some actual wingers but putting Bruno on the right, and so on. He now has the striker he wants, and the team is strengthened by Mount, whose statistics indicate that he is a capable attacking player. We'll see how the team will perform up front this season.
 
He has certainly been backed.

Big fan of his, but he's also got to deliver this season. We need to keep progressing.

I would be disappointed come winter break time if we're nowhere near the top.
 
He has certainly been backed.

Big fan of his, but he's also got to deliver this season. We need to keep progressing.

I would be disappointed come winter break time if we're nowhere near the top.
Think he needs another body in the deep midfield area. That would be my excuse for him to some extend if some shit happens this season.
 
He is backed, I think his target is to stay in top 4. I don't think we are ready to compete against City unless magically Hoijund becomes a 30 goals striker, Antony and Mount start scoring regularly which I doubt will happens. If this game gels then I believe next season is where we start to challenge.
 
He is backed, I think his target is to stay in top 4. I don't think we are ready to compete against City unless magically Hoijund becomes a 30 goals striker, Antony and Mount start scoring regularly which I doubt will happens. If this game gels then I believe next season is where we start to challenge.

I don’t think we are good enough to start this season and tell everyone we are going to challenge City from the off -
but at the same time I don’t think it’s impossible that it actually happens.

We were the 3rd best team last year whilst being quite close to Arsenal at different points in the season whilst also getting to 2 finals aswell.

Arsenal were not that great last season & just made a statement of being back near the top & I feel like we could do the same aswell.

I personally feel that Klopp is world class but possibly not a long term manager type of person, Chelsea should get better under poch but I’m not sure if it happens under one season & their squad seems like it has lots of cracks and improvements to be made. Spurs have a good manager aswell but doubt they will be challenging. I also think Pep will take things a bit easier this year too because he just won a treble but that’s obviously just a personality guess.

I think City, Arsenal & United should challenge this year with Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle, Aston Villa and maybe Brighton fighting for the top 4.

Obviously football doesn’t work that easily but I’m not completely saying we are not going to be part of it either.

Don’t even start me on how I feel about a CL under Ten Hag.
 
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