OK, thank you for waiting.
To be fair though you just seem a little confused. Considering you also posted this a few weeks ago, which is the exact opposite of what you've been saying over the last few pages
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OK, thank you for waiting.
To be fair though you just seem a little confused. Considering you also posted this a few weeks ago, which is the exact opposite of what you've been saying over the last few pages
Its actually funny to see fans actually think a 7-0 loss to Liverpool is good thing
Weren't you the one who was all we need Poch we need Poch?
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But you didnt name them. So I'll name them. Pogba and Matic, they were our starting CM. Greenwood was our starting RW/right forward. Ronaldo was our CF. Now tell me they are surplus and 200m spending means automatic title challenge or top 4 (whichever you think is par for that spending)
What do you mean we should always be above Newcastle and co? Why? Why dont you say we should always be above City? Why don't you say we should always be 1...why isn't that the bar? Point is that's an random arbitrary level you chose which doesn't make any sense. Newcastle with the injection of money can raise their level like city. Then we are in direct competition with them. They have raised their level. We haven't dropped our level to fighting Newcastle for 45 points or something. Say 5 yrs from now if Newcastle are fighting for the title, we should sack any manager who finishes below them?
The other thing is if you want to engage in a discussion please respond in good faith rather than dismissing as they are all surplus.
eh? are you OK?!Its actually funny to see fans actually think a 7-0 loss to Liverpool is good thing
Weren't you the one who was all we need Poch we need Poch?
I'm not sure what you mean by the first comment, and as for the second question - no, I am not.
My last reply to you because we will be going round in circles, I like to comment on performances, i.e if we lost 7-0 to Liverpool call it out rather than say its okay its all good.
" All things considered I'm on the Poch train. I think Ten Hag is a brilliant manager, but I'm not convinced our squad is well suited to his style of football, and I can't face the thought of another 3 year cultural/stylistic reboot. " That was you btw.
I completely fail to see the relevance of your first point.
As to the second point, again, why is this relevant?! At some point - long before the appointment was made I made a comment saying a) that I think Ten Hag is a brilliant manager, but b) I thought Poch might be a better fit for the squad that we had at the time. Hardly controversial? And as you can see from this thread Ten Hag has had my complete support since he's been appointed. I'm not sure what you think this proves?
EDIT - you've dredged up one comment about Poch from 22nd Nov 2021...ie. before Rangnick was even appointed, when there still looked like there was a slim chance we might be able to get Poch straight away and I felt he might offer the best continuity from Solskjaer. Why have you done this again?
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Pogba barely played was often injured and Matic was suitable for 1/3rd of the season. Both played 1700 minutes in the league last season. If you wanna go back further it was 1800 mins for Pogba and 1100 for Matic and they were our starting CM? They barely featured and were unreliable option for any of our managers. We were better before Ronaldo came with our existing striker options. Surplus for sure
When i said we should be above Newcastle I am basing it on where they have been vs us for the past 5 years. Their cash injection has not automatically leaped them above us overnight. Lots of mediocre players to a team 11th last season
Antony/Shaw only starters we rested. They rested 3 starters. You don't think that makes a difference? In a season where we are playing every 3.5 days?
Martial was our starting striker. Him being constantly injured is on him. Doesn't change the fact that our first XI lacks a no.9 as opposed to their first XI. Casemiro not being there is on him yes, but still bad luck. Point being our first XI against Fulham lacked 4 of our starting XI as opposed to just Saliba for them. Huge difference as pointed out when I asked if you thought Arsenal would be so good without Partey and Odegaard.
The difference in starting XI is a huge reason for their comfortable win while we had a difficult time. That's my point and that's why you can't compare the 2 games like you did.
Agree abt a better CM would change our possession game.
So don't replace Pogba and Matic? Just play with McFred? We might have been better before Ronaldo but he was taking up a squad place, not to mention the wages. And I see you ignored Greenwood.
Point is 200m£ was spent just to replace previous first team players. Whether they were good enough or not, you need to replace them. Which costs money.
Didn't you argue the complete opposite of that under the last manager?
You have been, and continue to be, hypocritical. You're not the only one mind you. Your praise often comes across as if you're giving it through gritted teeth.
I don't know what your expectations were at the start of the season but I highly doubt they were top 4 with a trophy. Your hyperbolic post that we're in a dog fight for fourth was ridiculous.
No I agree. Like I said, its football and its about opinions right?
I suspect that you have one view 10 years ago, 5 years ago, 2 years ago and its not changed, but I change my opinion based on what I see.
I was wrong, I admit that, having seen what Ten Hag has done, having seen what Tuchel did, I realised that with an elite manager, it doesn't need to take 3 years.
Ten Hag has shown, what an elite manager needs to do, his standards, the way he has gone on about things off the field, has been brilliant.
Like a year ago I would have sold Rashford and half the squad, seing him under an elite coach, I change my opinion.
My expectations for this season were to try get top 4 and a clear way of playing. A trophy was a bonus and he achieved that.
I dont think that means I cant comment on performances, especially when the manager agrees that performances have been bad.
But you're not really doing that. You're deliberately aiming your frustration at the manager. A stance you admonished for years.
But I think you know what you're doing and you're just playing silly buggers for a reaction.
I am worried about how we are playing at the moment. Fatigue, lack of squad depth, lack of quality in some areas, injuries may cause all of this but it is still a worry.
I get we are in a good position at the moment but we also need to close of the season well and make sure we get that top 4 finish and CL football.
Maybe this international break is a blessing for some of our players, Martial, Eriksen, Rashford, AWB, Varane all can rest and recover.
We have had a good season thus far, I want us to make sure we end it well too.
The reason the 7-0 loss is not brought up more is the good job Ten Hag has been doing. It is astonishing to me that even regular fans who don‘t care about tactics and such are not making a meal out of it.Its actually funny to see fans actually think a 7-0 loss to Liverpool is good thing
Weren't you the one who was all we need Poch we need Poch?
I expected never to hear the end of it.
The consensus seems to be that it was a blip, a bad performance and a flattering scoreline for Liverpool, and we should move on and let Ten Hag continue the mission.
Who is saying it was a good thing? No good can come from such a disaster.
This thread has become a discussion with one poster, a great admirer of Arteta. He has been beating the same drum for months, whatever you say to him he wont change his opinion.
Apparently a big fan of ETH too, which you wouldnt say from his posts at all.
Apparently a big fan of ETH too, which you wouldnt say from his posts at all.
Yeah but but Arsenal won against Fulham with ease and we had huge problems with them.. Or something.
If he needs a technical, hold up 9, he won't be going for osimhen that's for sure.
Strange to use Arsenal's games against Sporting and Palace as a stick to beat Ten Hag with.
Are we supposed to just ignore Arsenal were crap against Sporting and lost?
Utd won against Betis and then won at the weekend as well. Surely you'd rather win 2 then lose 1 and win 1?
Are we supposed to just ignore Arsenal were crap against Sporting and lost?
Utd won against Betis and then won at the weekend as well. Surely you'd rather win 2 then lose 1 and win 1?
You'd think - right?
Came in to read about ten Hag and see if he’d made any comments about anything. Nope, just a pile on by the forum police because a fan had the Gaul to support Ole and then say we’re not playing too well at the moment. What a surprise.
some posters still have such ptsd over Ole they can’t let it go, just breathe and enjoy this ride and peoples difference of opinions. And the funniest one wanted poch here, made me laugh that.
ten Haag has worked wonders but our form has dropped a lot, fatigue yes but even that is doubted by some fans, it was always going to catch up with the team.
some posters still have such ptsd over Ole they can’t let it go, just breathe and enjoy this ride and peoples difference of opinions. And the funniest one wanted poch here, made me laugh that.
ten Haag has worked wonders but our form has dropped a lot, fatigue yes but even that is doubted by some fans, it was always going to catch up with the team.
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Wrong thread. This is the ten Hag thread.
Surprised to see you showing your face again after the embarrassment of being caught out lying a couple of weeks ago?!
And if one positive comment about Pochettino from Nov 2021 really amuses you that much you really ought to get out more
Might as well change 'Gaul' while you're at it. That means somebody from ancient France.
I’ll change that before I set someone else off
Lying haha. Bore off mate. Continue your policing and post searching of another poster to pile on. Talk about getting out more. It made me laugh because it shows you know shit. The poch train.Surprised to see you showing your face again after the embarrassment of being caught out lying a couple of weeks ago?!
And if one positive comment about Pochettino from Nov 2021 really amuses you that much you really ought to get out more
If we go down that route what should we do with the ones who beat the drum for former managers that were obviously not good enough?
Some definitely deserve having their hypocrisy pointed out. For three years they chastised and tried to chase out opposing voices, now the idea of "owning your posts" has been forgotten by many.
Also the pulling up of old posts hit new heights under Ole. It was a regular occurrence to have sanctimonious dickheads starting threads based solely on ridiculing those they disagreed with.
Ah I see, you want to be left alone to post hypocritical, contradictory, negative shit, and then deny it (in spite of the posts being there for everyone to see), without anybody calling you out on your bullshit? Gotcha.
Fair enough all that I suppose, and to be honest I don’t remember posters and too far back and what they’ve said. I just seen someone being poked because they backed Ole but said we didn’t play well against Fulham. Both those I think are fair things.
I beat(past tense) the drum for former managers, because they were our manager and continued to do so until a certain point, just like now I think ten hag walks on water and hope he’ll continue to do so.
my stance the last few years maybe more for others to have clarity more than you is
backed Ole, backed him even more again when people wanted him out, then seen his time had come and had to go. Never liked ralf from the start although the forum did get my hopes up slightly reading stuff about him. Didn’t want Poch. Didn’t know much about ten hag at all but seen Ajax in champions league and was impressed. Massively impressed with how he has started here. Still some things he can get wrong and i don’t fully agree with but wouldn’t change him for any manger out there that I know of.
Go and have a drink
Thanks, but it's 10.54am
Anything after 11am is fair game.
11.02 now - I'm on it!
Well this thread took an ugly turn.
Erik, play Sabitzer and McTominay more forward.
and let Sabitzer take more FKs and corners
and let Sabitzer take more FKs and corners
Both would be better further forward but we need someone (who’s not suspended) to cover our defense too.
Correct, Casemiro is our only true dm. Scott is box to box, Sabitzer an attacking cm?
This was brilliant. Context in the twitter thread.
He's settled in well hasn't he.
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