Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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He's the first coach post fergie to see actual improvements in players.

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That speaks for itself.
 
We didn't, at any stage, and it's not even close.

We had some good results, but our football was stuck in the past and extremely negative. We finally look like a modern football playing team. We had the odd good performance under Jose/Ole, but that's about it. We finally look consistently good.
Ok let’s not get carried away. There were long stretches during Ole’s reign where we looked absolutely amazing. Specifically when the season resumed after the initial lockdowns, we set a record for winning consecutive games by 3 goals or something.

Jose yeah it was always papering over the cracks and falsely looking good due to scoring late goals after struggling for most of the games.
 
I was a big fan of Ole but tbh imo the biggest problem with Ole was he was a coward. He failed to deal with Ronaldo which eventually cost him his job.
Totally agree. He should have put his foot down and not bought Ronaldo back. Or be more willing to use him judiciously instead of giving him carte blanche to play whoever he wanted.
 
I don't think Ole did bad with the man management thing. It's just his tactics were outdated and crap. Plus having to fit Ronaldo in was the final nail.
Ole was too nice.

It worked to get the players on side at first, but eventually they realised there was no punishment coming.

They could under perform regularly and still play every week. They had little competition and rarely any rotation, no wonder things got so slack.

Then the leaks, players getting annoyed behind the scenes, it all fell apart through a lack of discipline.

ETH so far has the perfect balance. He came in instantly showing there is NO favouritism, and you earn your place through hard work and playing well.

Ole would never have done what ETH has done with Ronaldo and Maguire.
 
I don't think Ole did bad with the man management thing.

Ole pissed off a lot of the squad by having favourites and no meritocracy. His man management was poor hence why we had a broken dressing room when he left
 
Imo any manager would be well deserved to be criticized if the team plays badly, or if he makes mistakes. I can't remember if he made any mistake or not but if my memory serves me right we were pretty bad in the 1st match.

I'm a big fan of ETH but I'll criticize him if I think he's deserved to.

Atm his support from our fans is amazing and I'm very happy with that. However imo we shouldn't turn that into a personal cult where he can do no wrong. He's only human, he'll make mistakes. And there's nothing wrong to tell the truth, to criticise him if so imo.
No, I disagree. Everyone deserves a free run for minimum of first couple of matches. I don't want to give a number because that may be different for different managers. But if you are critical from the very first minute, may be something is wrong on how things are being seen.

Ffs that's his first match ever for a club like United and people are justifying the criticism.
 
I dont know how many times I have to say this. It's going to get worse before it will get better. He is trying to coach a group of players who never had anything like that for years. Mistakes will happen, thrashing will happen and we need investment too.
Glad, I kept my common sense intact.
 
No, I disagree. Everyone deserves a free run for minimum of first couple of matches. I don't want to give a number because that may be different for different managers. But if you are critical from the very first minute, may be something is wrong on how things are being seen.

Ffs that's his first match ever for a club like United and people are justifying the criticism.
I think you're mistaking between allowing a couple of bad results before getting called for his head and total exclusion from criticism.

None says the manager should not get any praise in his first matches even if he does well. So it's the same for criticism if he doesn't do well. Nothing wrong with both.
 
Ok let’s not get carried away. There were long stretches during Ole’s reign where we looked absolutely amazing. Specifically when the season resumed after the initial lockdowns, we set a record for winning consecutive games by 3 goals or something.

Jose yeah it was always papering over the cracks and falsely looking good due to scoring late goals after struggling for most of the games.

Opinions eh.
 
Ok let’s not get carried away. There were long stretches during Ole’s reign where we looked absolutely amazing. Specifically when the season resumed after the initial lockdowns, we set a record for winning consecutive games by 3 goals or something.

Jose yeah it was always papering over the cracks and falsely looking good due to scoring late goals after struggling for most of the games.
We had good spells under Solskjaer but we always felt so reactive, it never felt like we were the team controlling the tempo of a game, we often reacted to how the opposition played and let them dictate the match. It made for some absolutely mesmerising comebacks and some fantastic beatdowns but it was also a small club mentality and a big reason I feel we never won a trophy under Solskjaer despite clearly having a squad good enough to have been winning trophies ... this is different, teams are having to adapt to us, we're still beating teams comfortably despite injuries, our players are improving even those whose form has been patchy at best, there's a system in place that doesn't rely on individual bits of genius.
 
Ok let’s not get carried away. There were long stretches during Ole’s reign where we looked absolutely amazing. Specifically when the season resumed after the initial lockdowns, we set a record for winning consecutive games by 3 goals or something.

Jose yeah it was always papering over the cracks and falsely looking good due to scoring late goals after struggling for most of the games.
We have never looked this good since probably 2008-09. Ole tenure was decent and felt great initially because Jose last few months were brutal
 
We had good spells under Solskjaer but we always felt so reactive, it never felt like we were the team controlling the tempo of a game, we often reacted to how the opposition played and let them dictate the match. It made for some absolutely mesmerising comebacks and some fantastic beatdowns but it was also a small club mentality and a big reason I feel we never won a trophy under Solskjaer despite clearly having a squad good enough to have been winning trophies ... this is different, teams are having to adapt to us, we're still beating teams comfortably despite injuries, our players are improving even those whose form has been patchy at best, there's a system in place that doesn't rely on individual bits of genius.
Totally agree.

I was a big Ole fan and was pretty happy with the counter football back then. I was also of the opinion managers couldn't do much regarding improving/changing players. Or 'fix' them so they can play their style etc. So we had to play the counter style because our players were only suitable for that.

ETH has completely proved me utterly wrong regarding all that. For the first time in years I can watch United playing some modern, beautiful yet extremely effective football. And our players have progressed a lot under him. What a manager really.
 
We had good spells under Solskjaer but we always felt so reactive, it never felt like we were the team controlling the tempo of a game, we often reacted to how the opposition played and let them dictate the match. It made for some absolutely mesmerising comebacks and some fantastic beatdowns but it was also a small club mentality and a big reason I feel we never won a trophy under Solskjaer despite clearly having a squad good enough to have been winning trophies ... this is different, teams are having to adapt to us, we're still beating teams comfortably despite injuries, our players are improving even those whose form has been patchy at best, there's a system in place that doesn't rely on individual bits of genius.

Spot on. Look, if people want to call any of our play under Ole amazing, fair enough, but not for me.

We got some good results under him but we never played consistently good football, nor did we ever look like we were transitioning into a modern, progressive playing style. We had moments, but that was about it.

For me, this is absolutely hands down the best football we've played post-Fergie, and it's not even close. Jose had moments too, but again, it was dour football for the most part. ETH has improved a tonne of players, and he has us playing consistently like a modern side.

We outplayed Barca away last week and how many of ETH's signings started? Three: Malacia, Weghorst and Casemiro. Casemiro is clearly the only world class player among the 3, and yet, it looked like we played a different sport to the one Ole had us playing. The job that this man has done is absolutely incredible.
 
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