So ETH staying after finishing 8th is better than winning the league under Fergie? Wow
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Can still go sideways, they are negotiating right? Maybe 99TrebleChamp can keep us in the know 
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They have decided to stick with him based on the circumstances affecting performance and on the talks they had with other managers.
Not exactly a glowing remit, but that’s to be expected after a season so shambolic.
Positives:
- we continue promoting and developing youth, right into the first team.
- no Tuchel. Don’t like his playstyle.
- no fecking Southgate. Heh.
- different outcome than we’ve had in the past. A donkey does not bump into the same stone twice.
- broke Sarni’s streak.
- fecked over the horrible English media. Wankers.
- edit: we are fecking off Sancho for good.
.They have decided to stick with him based on the circumstances affecting performance and on the talks they had with other managers.
Not exactly a glowing remit, but that’s to be expected after a season so shambolic.
Positives:
- we continue promoting and developing youth, right into the first team.
- no Tuchel. Don’t like his playstyle.
- no fecking Southgate. Heh.
- different outcome than we’ve had in the past. A donkey does not bump into the same stone twice.
- broke Sarni’s streak.
- fecked over the horrible English media. Wankers.
- edit: we are fecking off Sancho for good.
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I'm aware of his criticism. I'd dismiss it as him being stuck on Benitez catenaccio, shit on a stick football. Dropping a midfielder back would cost us goals - the reasons why seem obvious. The trade off of having teams counter you sometimes isn't a problem in itself. We dont execute the tactic very well but having your back 4 on the edge of your box vs 3 attackers is probably a situation you'd expect them to manage
What a strange thing to say
I'm sorry but saying that he has a hand in developing Amad is utterly scandalous. Amad should be looking for a transfer with this news.
We're Man United, we'll do what we want etc.
Tuchel and Poch clearly didn't want their duties to be restricted to purely that of a Head Coach. I'm sure they were not alone in that. Options were most likely very limited. Perhaps we could have taken a punt on McKenna. Outside of him, retaining ten Hag was the obvious conclusion.
Did you, and the rest of the people that desperately want him to stay, forget the absolute travesty of a season he just served up?
Like, did yous just blank out:
4 - 0 v Palace
1 - 1 v Burnley
3 (4) - 3 (2) v Coventry - after winning 3 - 0 at half time and not losing in the final minutes by the virtue of VAR.
2 - 2 v Bournemouth
4 - 3 v Chelsea (after winning in the 90th minute only to end up losing)
1 - 1 v Brentford (scoring in the 90+ minutes only to immediately concede)
1 - 2 v Fulham
0 - 3 v Bournemouth
0 - 1 v Crystal Palace
1 - 3 v Brighton
Or the absolute disastrous Champions League campaign.
Or being dumped out of the League Cup 0 - 3 at home to Newcastle.
Or struggling to beat Newport in the FA Cup.
These results alone should have seen him go months ago.
But wait there's more you must have blanked out:
9 games lost at Old Trafford.
14 PL games lost this season.
19 games lost in all competitions.
85 goals conceded in all competitions.
58 goals conceded in the PL.
57 goals scored in the PL.
Negative goal difference.
Lowest ever position finish in the PL.
Highest number of shots faced in a PL season.
Bottom of our CL group.
You can't chalk all of this up to "injuries". The buck stops with him. Do you think that's all going to suddenly change next season?
I feel like I'm in the bloody Twilight Zone.
Welcome to Redcafe 2024.
It is amazing how the media circulates all the news while the club has not said a single word.
Anyway the club doesnot need to respond to rumors,speculations and media talk.
They did or are doing an annual review of the club just like all clubs do which includes palyers and coach performance and results.
Anyway the club doesnot need to respond to rumors,speculations and media talk.
They did or are doing an annual review of the club just like all clubs do which includes palyers and coach performance and results.
Sigh. This club.
Better than Southgate mind.
Better than Southgate mind.
The difference is Van Gaal's football during his last season was by far the dullest I've ever seen as a United fan. As season ticket holders, we received calls from the club asking if we were going to renew because almost everyone was fed up with the zombie football we were paying to see. As much as Ten Hag's kamikaze football has pissed off supporters, it has been a hell of a lot more tolerable than Van Gaal's 'philosophy'.
Also, in 2016, there was Mourinho waiting to be snapped up. Currently there is no available manager screaming out as an obvious upgrade on Ten Hag.
Nothing to trade off with this tactic; we hardly scored at all in the 35 Premier League games that this tactic was employed.
Fair play mate. Agree to disagree.
I hope ETH proves me wrong, I really do. I just can’t see it based on the evidence presented to us in the last 16 months.
Sure, but then concluding that keeping was the best decision based on developing youth bla bla sounds dodgy
TBF we were left with basically very few options with Greenwood last season. We were in a disadvantageous position and probably begging clubs to take him.
What if I told you we actually scored and created more when we did “drop a midfielder back” in season 1 compared to season 2 where we committed that man forward.
Nah. You're just totally wrong here.
Agree. Give him credit all you want for Garnacho and Mainoo sure, but Amad’s handling has been pretty abysmal.
The football has been tosh under ETH in both his seasons. Nothing like what his defenders say it is.
Yeah, they were in the market and nothing else appealed more /enough to fund the change. Any spin around reasons is just that really.
Well they had the same in PL 8th and 4th.
Time will show how the 3rd season pans out.
Atleast it will not be with Southgate thank feck.
And now Sancho will go 100%
Which is why i wouldn't go more defensive. I think if we did what carragher says we would have been even more dependent on Rashford and Hojlund for goals and we would have still made too many unforced errors to really benefit from sitting back. I mean we were pretty bloody awful at sitting back late on in games, there was nothing to suggest it would have worked well as a baseline tactic imo.
On the fence with this one. Playing style last season was horrendous and could’ve accepted it if we set up more rigidly and grinded out wins. Tactics and substitutions was god awful at time.
Also unable to set up the team to feed Rasmus.
On the other hand, good first season and set some standards around the club (which he seemed to soften on in the 2nd season) It now makes it clear to players who we are trying to shift that they won’t have a fresh start under a new manager and we can hopefully move them on. Excited to see if he can bring another youth product through next season.
Need to get busy in the window now, lots to do in and out.
Also unable to set up the team to feed Rasmus.
On the other hand, good first season and set some standards around the club (which he seemed to soften on in the 2nd season) It now makes it clear to players who we are trying to shift that they won’t have a fresh start under a new manager and we can hopefully move them on. Excited to see if he can bring another youth product through next season.
Need to get busy in the window now, lots to do in and out.
What? What kind of weird insult is that supposed to be?!
How many years did the scousers go without the title? 20 years? We're going to beat it.
For the last 10 years there's been shit seasons followed by new hope in different managers, new approaches etc. Yet it always fails. I hoped Ineos would be the end of it, but my overriding feeling right now is that we've turned a new chapter in disaster and this will simply be the Ineos era of ridiculous decision making and failure. I could have almost accepted Ten Hag staying on merit or for strong footballing reasons. But this talk of fan sentiment, or developing youngsters (they've been our best players since they stepped into the team, of course he's going to play them every week. The guy was dripping with desperation for anything to work for him), I just honestly give up. I just think we're doomed to failure, we're another has been like AC Milan who just can't get a damn thing right anymore or look like a well run outfit.
For the last 10 years there's been shit seasons followed by new hope in different managers, new approaches etc. Yet it always fails. I hoped Ineos would be the end of it, but my overriding feeling right now is that we've turned a new chapter in disaster and this will simply be the Ineos era of ridiculous decision making and failure. I could have almost accepted Ten Hag staying on merit or for strong footballing reasons. But this talk of fan sentiment, or developing youngsters (they've been our best players since they stepped into the team, of course he's going to play them every week. The guy was dripping with desperation for anything to work for him), I just honestly give up. I just think we're doomed to failure, we're another has been like AC Milan who just can't get a damn thing right anymore or look like a well run outfit.
Good news.
For me, it doesn’t make fiscal sense to fire someone in the final year of his contract, there is still a good chance we get a new manager next summer. There is also a chance he performs well this season.
Lets let INEOS put their money where their mouth is and see if they can implement a structure of success regardless of the manager, however him staying be seen as some sort of stability while get a shake up.
And to be honest, I think Erik was the best of all the other alternatives mentioned.
For me, it doesn’t make fiscal sense to fire someone in the final year of his contract, there is still a good chance we get a new manager next summer. There is also a chance he performs well this season.
Lets let INEOS put their money where their mouth is and see if they can implement a structure of success regardless of the manager, however him staying be seen as some sort of stability while get a shake up.
And to be honest, I think Erik was the best of all the other alternatives mentioned.
Woodward would have sacked him by Christmas.The new structure being more inept than the previous one was not on my bingo card. Surviving 8th, negative goal difference and getting embarrassed by Galatasaray and Copenhagen
Was tosh for much of his first season as well truth be told but we were getting much more consistent positive results to pepper that over.
Talks are underway to extend Ten Hag's contract according to the BBC, so there won't be any financial savings if he bombs again next season and has to be sacked.
I've always wanted ten hag to stay because I think he's a superb coach with that will play young players if they are good enough and can play an exciting brand of football. I think he's terrible at recruiting based on what I've seen him do here and that seems to be addressed by ineos.
I would have been OK with the sacking him for someone else that was better than him but honestly I never seen anyone remotely worth replacing him with in this current market.
I would have been OK with the sacking him for someone else that was better than him but honestly I never seen anyone remotely worth replacing him with in this current market.
What part of what I said was wrong?
I'm no 'ETH defender'. There's no need to split the fanbase into two camps. I've been dissatisfied with what I've seen over the last 12 months, however I was responding to a poster who said Van Gaal was sacked for less. He really wasn't. Van Gaal's football was worse than what we saw last season.
What alternatives are you hoping for next season? Some of the most respected coaches not named Pep or Jurgen, were available. It'll be years until somebody of that calibre comes along again, so Ten Hag can fail miserably again and he'll stay. Or we'll get Southgate to scratch that itch they apparently have.
Make no bones about it though, if anther top class coach comes along anytime soon then it's far from guaranteed they'd want to come here given that all the best clubs in Europe will have a spot for them.
I'd say our midfielder was forward as often as not in season 1 and the bigger change was our defence being 20 yards further forward and making challenges, rather than dropping back to the edge of their box. Different defenders and those available this season are much better suited to doing that. Rashford's form probably makes up most of the difference though to be fair.
Posts like that are designed to take us all for cnuts. We've just watched the same season they have and now it's time for history to be rewritten.
You've just repeated what was wrong with what you said. The only manager that's been worse than ETH in terms of play style is Ralf.
Amad got progressively better in his cameos. At first he contributed nothing at all.
Well it’s a risky decision that’s for sure. The euphoria of the FA cup win will eventually wear off and if we get off on the wrong foot in the league again things could turn sour very quickly. I expect it will backfire horrendously but of course hoping for the best. At least if he sets up more like he did at the end of the season it would be a start.
I disagree. LVGs football was mind numbingly boring,but it had a purpose and you could see evidence of some coaching.
This season the football was awful, with no obvious gameplan nor coaching.
It doesn't really matter in the long run - we should expect better, no matter who is in charge.
No. Amad showed quality in every appearance he made last season. He was also coming off the back of a great season in the championship. He was then shunned in favour of Antony and Forson who are genuinely nowhere near the required quality for months on end until he forced his way into the team in the last couple of matches.
But the people you’d be happy to see him replaced with were equally bad.
Pochettino’s Chelsea got hammered by Arsenal, Liverpool and us, as well as Wolves, Villa, Middlesbrough, Newcastle, Brentford and West Ham.
Tuchel’s Bayern finished third in a literal one horse race.
Southgate took an established premier league team who had just reached the UEFA Cup final, and relegated them.
Sacking Ten Hag is what everybody would’ve wanted if there had been an outstanding candidate available and willing to replace him, but we looked and there wasn’t.
Perhaps there was a less obvious choice out there to be identified and interviewed, but we don’t yet have our senior management team in place to go through that process and find him.
After more than a decade spent making terrible choices, I don’t understand why people are so desperate to dive head first into more bad calls? Changes are happening for the first time in a long time - why not just let them happen and see what comes of it?
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