It's amazing how 1 win can cause amnesia throughout our fanbase. He's done well in cups and I appreciate the win, but that's the bare minimum as a United manager. Overall he's not progressed and the best we can hope for if we keep him is 1 domestic cup a season and a top 8 finish.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Players are happy to collect their pay checks whilst finishing 8th. Standards have never been lower.
OK, if he was available from another team and just had the same season with them would you want him to come here?I’m so torn on him.
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I can well understand that point and it could look attractive.
However, what happens if we don't make those necessary signings because players are nervous over his future at the club.
And we don't make a good start.
And all of the available managers have gone to new clubs.
I would say Tuchel has not had a great season either for a club that usually cleans up and has an ego which is why he argues with his bosses so much. So do we go for someone they can manipulate easily?
No doubt the club have made a mess of it, but Jim has come in and pretty much given all those guys their marching orders, but let's not forget eth wanted a lot of those players. The mason mount signing I think was worse than the Anthony deal.
However, that doesn't excuse his suicidal midfield setup. Every one of us on this forum could see it being an issue, and it took a guy on 100k a week to finally shore it up after 50 games. That really isn't good enough. Had he least tried that 10 games ago we may have had a chance for 4th.
it’s like, do they watch the games? We had a 2 man midfield in a deeper block and had 24% possession. That was far more akin to his first season tactics than the nonsense he’s served up to us all year.He's signed Casemiro, Mount, Eriksen and Amrabat, at a cost of £120m yet our midfield is still a mess, it's not far fetched that 3 or even 4 of those players all leave this summer.
I still think he's going, and I think it's sadly the right decision. I'd love him to be a success here, but it would be hard to shift the nagging doubt that he's got it in him to truly make it work.
Even the Athletic article confirms they have contacted several other candidates. You do not enter a major rebuild with a manager on a 1 year contract who you are obviously doubting enough to look at other managers. Must be gone, and deservedly so.
For example Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal away, that blue team, Crystal Palace at home. 15 potential points just there. There are more games where some decisions are hard to understand that turned the game.At least it’s a new narrative
Pep had to resort to putting on Doku and just have his team keep feeding him the ball. If we adjust then I think we lose that man for man control we had in the first half and still retained in the second, then city exploit the gaps and it's a normal beating. Doku is a very tricky winger and ETH trusted AWB to deal with him and retain the rest of our shape that rendered city redundant first half. City just kept using the Doku trick over and over. Wasn't pretty by either side.
Im not talking about a one off cup game that we were lucky to get to. Im talking the season as a whole.
You're in every match thread moaning about refs within the first 10 minutes. It's proper tinfoil hat stuff
What if he does have a point that injuries have fecked up his way of wanting to play? There was a question in the Arteta vs EtH thread about whether we would rather our 2 trophies under ETH or come in second or third in the league and that also got me thinking.
what I don’t get about ETH is why he was so fecking stubborn during the majority of the season and only reverted to a better pragmatic approach in these last few games.
Was a great campaign. Liverpool...quarters, Geebs?
Hmm good question, I’m not sure! He’s clearly a winner and wins trophies every season, but so bad this season. But injuries at the back have been so bad does he deserve one more season to prove this was a one off?
I guess we just have to trust they make a good choice?
I just don't think we'll ever challenge for a title with him in charge. He has been far too naive this whole season (bar the cup) to make me think we should be going into next season with him.
Injuries will always exist to some degree. If he can't adapt to losing a few players he's not a good manager
Honestly I don’t know where we go from here, I’m trusting that Wilcox and co have an idea after speaking to various candidates and doing their review. I will trust in whatever decision they make.
I just think, looking at the season as a whole im standing over my assertion that he needs to go
It wasn’t just a few players though was it?
Come on Spoons, a great campaign? You’re surely trolling
Watching the celebration scenes after the final whistle it does seem like the players really like him.
Nope.
8th place is the worst league placing we have had in decades.
The issue is that if a new manager comes in, will he do better, given the current set of players?
You’ve kind of answered your own question.
he stubbornly stuck to this same no midfield clap trap. Sticking various different temporary defensive line ups without any protection. This is basic shit. He’s trying to be overly clever rather than thinking points first. He’s had amrabat available most of the season so could have played double pivot
No idea what to think now. As someone who wanted him out previously, when the news was announced this week I can’t say I was particularly overjoyed. Maybe cos I don’t trust the board to get the right replacement in…
One game should never change your mind on someone but if that kind of tactical performance can be produced with the players putting in that kind of effort, is there something actually there with Ten Hag? If so why the feck did we spend nine months of the season chasing shadows with that utterly abject high pressing/man marking/single pivot system. feck knows what to think right now.
One game should never change your mind on someone but if that kind of tactical performance can be produced with the players putting in that kind of effort, is there something actually there with Ten Hag? If so why the feck did we spend nine months of the season chasing shadows with that utterly abject high pressing/man marking/single pivot system. feck knows what to think right now.
Listen to what ETH said about why he was using those tactics. Then think about how what the players learnt during that period was put into action in the press yesterday.
Learning new skills is about the process of learning one element and then continually adding to it as and when elements are settled or different players are available. That's what ETH has been getting at all season.
This means he hasn't got the right men around him. He needs to assembly a squad of men that work well with his approach. I'm sure Mount is happy to do what he's told. Sancho less so.
I think Mount is the worst signing, as it didn't even make sense given his best position and the players we currently had. ETH wanted to play a 433 with Mount and Bruno and that tactic was a complete failure.
I can forgive him for the others. Eriksen, on a free, offered us something none of our midfielders did at the time (pre Mainoo). Mainoo has surpassed him now so he should probably leave although wouldn't mind him staying one more year as back up.
Amrabat, meh, a loan deal. We need an upgrade but at least he was the right profile (bizarre ETH played him at full back though at the start, thats a tough introduction to a new league, especially when there's sod all midfield protection).
Casemiro, I'd blame the board really. They paid the fee and gave him a long contract. Sums up United over the past decade - spending big money on over the hill super stars - I can't blame ETH for that. I do blame ETH for persisting to play Casemiro as a lone DM for far too long, when it was beyond obvious we were too open and exposed, even a prime Casemiro would have struggled let alone a veteran Casemiro.
I’m sure that he’s a nice boss. I used to be nice deity my teams too, but you put up with more than you should.
FA Cup campaign, Geebs, whether we needed pennos to get past Coventry shouldn't take away from some cracking games. He's made mistakes, he was far too stubborn, but he's tweaked things last few games. Just keep away from recruitment and tell him to concentrate on coaching. I'd love to see him coach under a proper structure.
I'll be absolutely gutted if he's sacked now. You just can't sack a manager who is winning trophies, its literally what its all about. Sacking him and bringing in Tuchel will finish me off.
So he tanked a season employing nonsensical tactics for 98% of it, because he knew it would help in playing a completely different way against Man City in the FA Cup final?
So you’re basing it on a handful of games where he finally did where everyone has been screaming at him all season. Nah thanks. He fecked the league campaign and the CL shambles. Too many red flags with him. And I don’t like that we learnt how morally bankrupt he is too
sorry mate, but this is all hot air.He was playing a midfield one with a chasm of half the pitch as soon as our first press was beaten. We were conceding the exact same cutback in every game. We were conceding over 20+ shots on our goal every game. This was all tactical misgivings to the point of negligence — I am not having that this was all some master plan where the players have gleaned high level galaxy brain intelligence from his absolutely demented set up on the football pitch.
If you’re on the fence just look at who it is piling on, criticising everything he does and hounding him out and then ask if you want to be their side.
Relentless bitter ABUs like Danny Murphy (who said we should get Southgate but then also said he wouldn’t want him at Liverpool)
All the vermin journalists who crave drama at United and tear into our manager week after week even when he’s just won a trophy
The contingent of our fanbase who call our managers clowns, frauds and PE teachers.
I don’t know whether keeping him or not is right but I’m not sure I want to be on the same side as that lot.
Relentless bitter ABUs like Danny Murphy (who said we should get Southgate but then also said he wouldn’t want him at Liverpool)
All the vermin journalists who crave drama at United and tear into our manager week after week even when he’s just won a trophy
The contingent of our fanbase who call our managers clowns, frauds and PE teachers.
I don’t know whether keeping him or not is right but I’m not sure I want to be on the same side as that lot.
Atkinson was sacked after winning the FA cup
Lvg was sacked after winning the FA cup
so yes you can
I’ve been saying I’d prefer to keep him and if we must sack him, then only McKenna for me. I’d be happy if we kept him and McKenna decides to stay at Ipswich for now. That would leave that option open for us if it’s not going well next season to move Ten Hag on and bring in McKenna.
Ignore the media is the best thing you can do. Just remember they are paid to talk shit and click bait people.
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