Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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The ‘Let’s all laugh at RedCafe’ threads must be buzzing up and down the country
They would know the extent to which he's been handicapped more than we would to be fair.
No it isn't at all, Ten Hag has had the control, time and money to shape this squad in a way I don't think any other post SAF United manager has had.
60% of this squad has been signed or promoted by Ten Hag. He doesn't need a 100% new team/squad to get us playing decent cohesive football and/or at least coming 4th/5th.
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It should be noted Amrabat is a player we were chasing all summer and wanted to sign permanently. But because of McTominay not leaving and FFP we had to settle for a loan. Though because he's not worked out and Ten Hag has barely used him it's now being painted as an emergency signing that's been forced upon ETH.
Maybe he can do us a favour by buying a few of them next season.
Wait until new Ten Hag contract is announced
Sorry that's not true at all obviously it wasn't forced upon Ten Hag but it was always suppose to be a loan and actually we paid bigger loan fee to ensure it came with buy option not an obligation .
And It wasn't because of FFP because amount we paid as loan fees and his salary would have have had similar effect for this year even if we had bought him outright .
Don't put me in a bad mood please. The sun's out for once, I'm cheerful today.
Just caught up with the news about more upper management leaving
More convinced now that Ten Hag is done. They seem to want their own people in place asap
More convinced now that Ten Hag is done. They seem to want their own people in place asap
This is the perspective that I take with the squad. I’ve heard some claim this is Tens team when it’s far from it for me. The fact those 7 you mentioned above have had various degrees of success has also tainted the view in my opinion to maybe.
The overall in balance in the team/squad from previous managers has also effected how these players have settled, but all of them can of course still improve. After the news a majority of the squad is for sale in theory I wonder who will get the chance next season.
Don’t get me excited, my new Bald is Best pin badges could do with a good run-out.
On a serious note, we should probably run an ‘outrage buzzword bingo’ or something.
There will be scenes!
Says who?
We were strongly linked with him for most of the summer as a permanent signing. Would be quite the coincidence if that was bullshit paper talk only for us to end up signing him on loan after we couldn't shift McTominay.
https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Seri...t-dalla-fiorentina-al-manchester-united.shtml
Moyes got 2 windows and 2 players spent 64m.
Van Gaal got 2 summer windows and spent 260m. Shaw and Martial are probably the last of his signings still knocking about.
Jose got 3 summer windows and spent 365m. Kicked his toys out of the pram when he couldn't get more and went into a meltdown. Still a few of his there.
Ole got 3 summer windows and spent 370m. He bought in players who just didn't fit what he was trying to do and he paid for it. Still too many of his signings at the club.
ETH so far has had 2 summer windows and whilst he spent money, he's really only bought in 7 out of 16 players for fees. Now those 7 players cost a lot of money +400m, but let's not pretend that filling the rest of the squad with makeshift frees and loans is an ideal situation.
100% that money could have been spent better and I really think if he loses his job, he only has himself to blame and I have no issue with that. But you can't honestly sit there and say this is the squad he would have wanted at this point, because we all know he wanted to replace Maguire and McT and who knows how many other players.
Everything about recruitment around the club has been a mess for a decade, one of the most expensively assembled squads in the history of football and this is where we're at. A total patchwork of mismatched players who as a gorup don't suit any particular style of play. That's mostly on the structure around the club for not having a proper plan in place for 5 or 6 managers at this stage.
Doesn't matter to me if ETH stays or goes, it all needs gutting and starting over.
This will be fun to revisit
I'm absolutely mudded. Finished club
Now imagine doing this when your instructions are the reason the players are underperforming.....
Cost of firing and lack of clear replacements will not be the reason he stays. If it is. 
Have you actually read the Athletic article that's being spun from
Literally a throwaway line that just reinforces the status quo.
From what I’ve seen United haven’t committed to him. I’ve heard that they don’t want to sack him as they want him to choose to go back to Ajax, so we don’t have to pay him compensation.
When was this announced?
There's no way he stays. The new regime is not more incompetent than the previous one. It can't be.No manager after 2 years will have gotten everything they want but I'd say this is not far off where he'd want the squad by now. Remember he's had control over targets and spent a shitload. Yeah he wanted rid of Maguire and McTominay but ended up relying on Maguire and Scott is his go to guy now. Prefers him over most of his own midfield signings.
Malacia, Martinez, Eriksen, Casemiro, Amrabat, Mount, Antony, Onana, Hojlund. He's promoted Mainoo and Garnacho as well. So I think we're at the point where we can safely call this his team.
We've only about 10 senior players left from when Ten Hag took over. So if that's true then that's on Ten Hag as much as anyone by this stage.
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Yep we def dodged a bullet. We wanted him on a permanent basis and gave up because we didn't have the money.
IF he does stay, I just hope he’s on very thin ice and will be gone at the first sign of a repeat performance, because having to watch us play like this all these months has been awful.
Personally I think they’ve already made the decision (sack) but they’re briefing the media to downplay it and make it seem like it was a mutual parting of ways after the FA Cup Final. We got grilled for how we handled LVG’s last few weeks.
If he stays I will back him, but a whole new structure feels like the perfect opportunity for a total clean sweep and fresh start.
For the De Gea, you just need to watch the FA cup final to understand why he wanted Onana.
With Amrabat i didn't want him, as I wanted someone with lots of pace, but I also think he was thinking that he'd have sold Maguire and replaced him with pace in the CB position.
For Mount he wanted him, because Liverpool was sniffing around - I also said months ago it was to phase out Bruno
Yeah but you want a fresh start with the right guy. I'm unsure if that guy is Ten Hag but I'd rather wait for the right person to be available and give him another season than blindly punt with candidates right now. I don't really see anyone standout.
Just look at how they manage their other two teams, they have been awful.
So why did he bring in Martinez who is small and not pacey?
Who would that right person be? I see this a lot but I don't see how waiting for a year changes anything. It's never going to be a perfect candidate like Pep. We can attract most managers right now and those who would possibly be available next year like Alonso will choose Real instead anyway.
What if we give Ten Hag next season and we continue playing terrible football that we've been playing since the cup final and then we have to sack him mid season. It will be far harder to find a replacement then and we'll probably have to go with an interim. If we don't believe Ten Hag is the man to take us to the next level, now is the best time to move him on.
Because its his first season and needed battlers - I think a lot of fan forget how much Martinez is needed in this team.
That's also one thing I like about Antony, he is our twat.
Me thinks it has nothing to do with "battlers" because then why sign Eriksen who is anything but that? But because he worked with him at Ajax like most of his signings...
I hope we don't stick with him just because they don't see another option. But if they genuinely think he's the right guy to take us forward, fair enough.
To be honest there's no manager out there who looks more ready to take on this job than Ten Hag did when we hired him.
Hes had a very bad season but he's not suddenly a very bad manager just because of it. If INEOS think he's been handicapped from implementing his style then he clearly hasn't been given a fair shake and it wouldn't make sense to get rid of him for a manager with less pedigree than he had.
Be a horrible reflection on Ineos competence if they waste another season of football for ETH.
Especially after not wasting a season giving second chances out to other people who clearly didnt deserve them.
Especially after not wasting a season giving second chances out to other people who clearly didnt deserve them.
I'd say Ineos have serious doubts if he's the right guy as well. And if they do they'll move him on this summer and look for the right guy now, or at least a guy they think could be the right guy. They can't keep a failing manager they have little faith in (after a season like this), in place for another season in the hope a manager who is a guaranteed success falls into their lap.
The vast majority of manager hires don't work out in football. 100% of them are a risk, you never know if you've got the right guy until they're in the job. It's a case of right guy, right place and right time.
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